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- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Tracks missing from the leaked CD's
If Canoga Park was one of the last songs Axl and Slash worked on, is it possible Slash took that song for the last Snakepit record under a real name and Axl considered it for the new band a la Metallica and Megadeth with Four Horsemen/Mechanix?
Possible I guess yeah. Ain't life grand was originally meant to be a gnr song called Burnout & Speed Parade was originally Nightcrawler (although they don't sound too much alike). So wouldn't surprise me.
There is an unreleased version of Burnout with Slash & I think Duff on bass with Iggy on vocals. They recorded that for a Les Paul tribute record that was shelved way back. Apparently Adler could never play it so that kind of nixed it being a Gnr song.
(edit) now I think about it Axl was clearly trying to evolve out of blues based rock music so I doubt he would have wanted to keep whatever Slash may have helped wright anyway, wouldn't surprise me if it became a Snakepit tune or even Fall To Piece's though
Re: Tracks missing from the leaked CD's
FlashFlood wrote:If Canoga Park was one of the last songs Axl and Slash worked on, is it possible Slash took that song for the last Snakepit record under a real name and Axl considered it for the new band a la Metallica and Megadeth with Four Horsemen/Mechanix?
Possible I guess yeah. Ain't life grand was originally meant to be a gnr song called Burnout & Speed Parade was originally Nightcrawler (although they don't sound too much alike). So wouldn't surprise me.
There is an unreleased version of Burnout with Slash & I think Duff on bass with Iggy on vocals. They recorded that for a Les Paul tribute record that was shelved way back. Apparently Adler could never play it so that kind of nixed it being a Gnr song.
(edit) now I think about it Axl was clearly trying to evolve out of blues based rock music so I doubt he would have wanted to keep whatever Slash may have helped wright anyway, wouldn't surprise me if it became a Snakepit tune or even Fall To Piece's though
I wonder what the title of Back and Forth Again was when Axl was working on it. There is that clip of him whistling over the acoustic guitar demo of BAFA.
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Tracks missing from the leaked CD's
Shacklermyrye wrote:Bill Brasky wrote:Hey guys i got a thread over at badapplesforum trying to make a definitive list of unreleased cd era songs.
Not trying to do a shit thread bump nor offend my friends James or Bls, just want to get as much information and knowledge of the topic in one place.
So feel free to post your thoughts or correct me where I'm wrong over there.Threw this together a few months back on Dragon, just a theory on why it may be called that and why it's likely real.
Unrelated but I mention Canoga park in this video & I actually meant Central Park. I later looked into LastFM and found anyone can name a song whatever they want so i wouldn't put any stock in the Dragons Kiss title, but Dragon however is probably real.
Very well put together video and interesting. I wasn't expecting Captain and Teneal showing up in it. I'm going to share this and thank you.
I noticed you brought the Curly Shuffle DAT in Iron Mountain up over at badapples. The engineer was Critter (Chris) Snyder and the assistant engineer was Jer Blair (Jeremy Blair). Both worked together on Obsolete by Fear Factory the year before this In 98 (when Dave Dominguez was at Rumbo working with Guns) I believe they turned up after he left the project. As far as the name goes I'm sure its just a place holder but there is a song with that name by Jump 'n the Saddle Band as tribute to The Three Stooges, it's such an oddly weird name that i kind of suspect it comes from that.
The mix from The Village comes from March 2000 & will be way more complete than this DAT in that video as that is a 24 track SLAVE. There would have been 24 tracks on the Master as well but Drums (multiple mics) Bass ect would have pushed it over 24 tracks so engineers would link a second 24-track machine to the first one. That DAT in the video is from the second machine and likely contains guitar solo's and overdubs along with whatever electronic synths/ keys ect were added at the time (if any). I believe they used Neve consoles at Rumbo & definitely did at the Village.
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Tracks missing from the leaked CD's
Shacklermyrye wrote:FlashFlood wrote:If Canoga Park was one of the last songs Axl and Slash worked on, is it possible Slash took that song for the last Snakepit record under a real name and Axl considered it for the new band a la Metallica and Megadeth with Four Horsemen/Mechanix?
Possible I guess yeah. Ain't life grand was originally meant to be a gnr song called Burnout & Speed Parade was originally Nightcrawler (although they don't sound too much alike). So wouldn't surprise me.
There is an unreleased version of Burnout with Slash & I think Duff on bass with Iggy on vocals. They recorded that for a Les Paul tribute record that was shelved way back. Apparently Adler could never play it so that kind of nixed it being a Gnr song.
(edit) now I think about it Axl was clearly trying to evolve out of blues based rock music so I doubt he would have wanted to keep whatever Slash may have helped wright anyway, wouldn't surprise me if it became a Snakepit tune or even Fall To Piece's though
I wonder what the title of Back and Forth Again was when Axl was working on it. There is that clip of him whistling over the acoustic guitar demo of BAFA.
From the Making of the videos VHS? (I forget which one) For all we know thats what that park song was. That video also has that piano piece while he is talking about Dylan
- Bill Brasky
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Re: Tracks missing from the leaked CD's
Bill Brasky wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:Threw this together a few months back on Dragon, just a theory on why it may be called that and why it's likely real.
Unrelated but I mention Canoga park in this video & I actually meant Central Park. I later looked into LastFM and found anyone can name a song whatever they want so i wouldn't put any stock in the Dragons Kiss title, but Dragon however is probably real.
Very well put together video and interesting. I wasn't expecting Captain and Teneal showing up in it. I'm going to share this and thank you.
I noticed you brought the Curly Shuffle DAT in Iron Mountain up over at badapples. The engineer was Critter (Chris) Snyder and the assistant engineer was Jer Blair (Jeremy Blair). Both worked together on Obsolete by Fear Factory the year before this In 98 (when Dave Dominguez was at Rumbo working with Guns) I believe they turned up after he left the project. As far as the name goes I'm sure its just a place holder but there is a song with that name by Jump 'n the Saddle Band as tribute to The Three Stooges, it's such an oddly weird name that i kind of suspect it comes from that.
The mix from The Village comes from March 2000 & will be way more complete than this DAT in that video as that is a 24 track SLAVE. There would have been 24 tracks on the Master as well but Drums (multiple mics) Bass ect would have pushed it over 24 tracks so engineers would link a second 24-track machine to the first one. That DAT in the video is from the second machine and likely contains guitar solo's and overdubs along with whatever electronic synths/ keys ect were added at the time (if any). I believe they used Neve consoles at Rumbo & definitely did at the Village.
Yeah i heard the other curly shuffle with a bunch of three stooges clips in the song.
The other information is interesting because it shows it was a early song and the majority of those were completed.
I will share your post in the thread at badapplesforum, thank you for the information and insight.
- Bill Brasky
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Re: Tracks missing from the leaked CD's
Per @zombux
"Unknown studio recording by Duff and Izzy - around April 1995 *MISSING* "10 pieces" including Down By The Ocean or Down By The Sea, Machine Gun (at least 3 takes) and Tooth Puller (the latter two dated April 18 1995) *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE
occasional studio rehearsals around July-August 1995 (Duff and Matt Sorum mostly during days, while Axl was there in the nights)
Slash's home studio - (since Aug to "late fall 1995" - Slash and Duff tried sessions together with Paul Huge - "Slash musically involved for 2 week initial period")
("The Shadow Company" - parallel studio lineup - Axl, Paul Huge, Dizzy, since Oct 94 to early Feb 95 also Sid Riggs and Krys Baratto, to about Aug 96) The Complex Studio, LA (?) sessions - for example "the folky nonsense" (Jun 96), or Shaq jamming (unclear if Feb 96 or April 1997 but 97 seems way off
Slash returned for work with GNR in July 96 - Unknown sessions at The Complex ("The Compound") - around July to October 1996 (Slash, Duff, Axl, Dizzy, Matt Sorum, Paul Huge - "the next Jackie Chan movie") early sketch of Fall To Pieces *MISSING* [DOES NOT CIRCULATE]
Slash left GNR for good before October 30th 1996"
Duff left in August of 1997.
My take
Jackie Chan aka Hard School
Down By The Ocean
Machine Gun
Tooth Puller
Are from that era
Could Curly Shuffle also be from that era ?
I also question if Oklahoma/Berlin is from that era.
Here's why
According to Chinese Whisperers
1995
"[Oklahoma] was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. 'I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing, [April 20th, 1995]' Rose remembers with a wince. 'We had a break, and I'm sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing - it was like, 'Forgive me, people, I'm having trouble taking this seriously.' It's just ironic that we're sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I'm sitting there with, she don't care. Obliterating me is their goal.'" (Axl, Rolling Stone, 2000)
1998
"As the far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken). [...] (Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05)
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Tracks missing from the leaked CD's
Did a bunch of research on that time a few years back, Definitely would have spoken to Zombux about it.
If you think some of the CD era songs may have started from those sessions then listen to Tonto and tell me what you hear at 1:49
- Bill Brasky
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Re: Tracks missing from the leaked CD's
Did a bunch of research on that time a few years back, Definitely would have spoken to Zombux about it.
If you think some of the CD era songs may have started from those sessions then listen to Tonto and tell me what you hear at 1:49
I know it's not Slash but sounds like Slash esq solo to me.
Is that what you're are hearing also ?
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Tracks missing from the leaked CD's
Shacklermyrye wrote:Did a bunch of research on that time a few years back, Definitely would have spoken to Zombux about it.
If you think some of the CD era songs may have started from those sessions then listen to Tonto and tell me what you hear at 1:49
I know it's not Slash but sounds like Slash esq solo to me.
Is that what you're are hearing also ?
No the sound effect thing that sounds like a dentist drill lol
- Bill Brasky
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Re: Tracks missing from the leaked CD's
Bill Brasky wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:Did a bunch of research on that time a few years back, Definitely would have spoken to Zombux about it.
If you think some of the CD era songs may have started from those sessions then listen to Tonto and tell me what you hear at 1:49
I know it's not Slash but sounds like Slash esq solo to me.
Is that what you're are hearing also ?
No the sound effect thing that sounds like a dentist drill lol
Now i look foolish but shit happens.
After a second listen yes i can hear the dentist drill esq sound effect.
Nice attention to detail on your part.
Very interesting also !
The fact Hardschool was originally worked on before nugnr era and continued to be worked on during the nugnr lend credence to Tooth Puller being carried over also especially with the dentist drill sound effect.
Honestly the first time anyone has mentioned that to me.
