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- Intercourse
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Re: 2013
What about an EP like AIC's "SAP" just to test the appetite of the fans for new GNR material?
Re: 2013
Intercourse wrote:What about an EP like AIC's "SAP" just to test the appetite of the fans for new GNR material?
IMO, they wouldn't even need that. I maintain that one properly promoted single could fix their public perception as well as the lack of demand in the general public for new material.
Not if it's something like Shacklers. Song choice is more key than proper promotion imo. You can promote the hell out of a pile of crap and it won't sell unless it's Beiber or something along those lines.
- monkeychow
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Re: 2013
That's why one of the covers would work. Do Riff/Raff with 3 absolutely ball busting solos - or do sailing with Axl sounding beautiful like he did in 06 on that...and people would be happy....it would Axl sounding like Axl and GNR sounding like a guitar band...or they could do a song with Dj's modern sixx Am style riffing...but that would involve more work to write the song.
Re: 2013
I am fully convinced THE ONLY way a single will catch with GN'R is if it's something that's instantly accessible on radio...
Like my theory that they need this...
SIXX:AM -- Are You With Me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ede2_tuZJp8
with 
or
this
Ozzy Osbourne -- Life Won't Wait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAh_SCjCh8A
with 
Boom, instant hit. Just based on what goes on when Axl makes news story, this dude is a notoriously loved heel. This guy just needs to promote ACCESSIBLE MUSIC to the audience that loves him, which are the casuals. GN'R isn't Soundgarden. GN'R appeals to the same people that made them rock God's in the early 90's. People that are casuals that don't want Bucket solos, but want DJ Ashba fluff that turn them into the Rolling Stones of the LA glam scene.
Axl should appeal to that.
He won't.
- Me_Wise_Magic
- Rep: 70
Re: 2013
I actually love Are You With Me? It's a pretty good song off the album. One of the better cuts. 
But..yeah I agree if can sing over songs written by 
and release a sort of melodic hard rock single and release on the GNR brand, then hard cores and maybe casuals could eat it up. Then have the rest of album with Axl's vision and heavy rockers with 
soloing and the skills of 
all that good stuff. Especially since Lies of the... and This is Gonna Hurt were on top of rock radio for a little while. Release a pop rock song then bust out a rockin' current GNR record with some cuts of the sessions if bonus material is in the picture. It's a perfect strategy; but it's probably not going to happen at this rate.
Buzz had a good point in that they can't release a Shackler's type song if they want success in releasing future music.
Re: 2013
i am so fucking over the idea of a hit single or a direction appealing to casual fans.
that's not the way to do it. just keep going w/whatever fucked up visions r running round axl's head & if people get on board they get on board, if they don't then fuckthem.
unfortunately axl's got NOTHING. he's done.
Re: 2013
I am fully convinced THE ONLY way a single will catch with GN'R is if it's something that's instantly accessible on radio...
Like my theory that they need this...
SIXX:AM -- Are You With Me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ede2_tuZJp8
with
or
this
Ozzy Osbourne -- Life Won't Wait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAh_SCjCh8A
with
Boom, instant hit. Just based on what goes on when Axl makes news story, this dude is a notoriously loved heel. This guy just needs to promote ACCESSIBLE MUSIC to the audience that loves him, which are the casuals. GN'R isn't Soundgarden. GN'R appeals to the same people that made them rock God's in the early 90's. People that are casuals that don't want Bucket solos, but want DJ Ashba fluff that turn them into the Rolling Stones of the LA glam scene.
Axl should appeal to that.
He won't.
The Sixx:AM song is actually the kind of shit that scares me.....
That's cookie cutter modern rock radio dreck to me... But, at this point... Axlin's 100% correct.. It's a blueprint for what MUST be done immediately for the new band to have ANY cultural relevance, or to even be considered by the masses to be any more than an unpleasant footnote in the band's history/ legacy... In the bigger picture, if they fail to make their undeniable permanent mark..they'll only ever be know by what "Popcorn" so eloquently referred to them as, not-so-long-ago...
..And none of us really wanna see that...
They're all pretty good guys, as far as I can tell... They deserve to be successful as Guns N' Roses.
I'd prefer they went the "Life Won't Wait" route, though, because that's possibly the best Ozzy Osbourne song I've heard since Zakk Wylde was shaving, washing his hair, sporting bell bottoms, and not wearing shirts onstage..
I digress...
If Ol' Uncle Axl wants to seriously put his money where his mouth is, and truly start to at least try to move THIS incarnation of Guns N' Roses out from underneath the Appetite/Illusion era shadow that lingers over it's head, and try to help lift it out of the seemingly bottomless public relations shit-hole he, at times, seems almost compulsively intent on drop kicking them into personally on a regular basis ... and he, instead, actually helped them for once, by hoisting them out and up onto solid ground onto their own two feet for a change....so they at least have a halfway fair CHANCE to reach their full potential, and, in doing so...they.. That is, Guns N' Roses 2013... may actually flourish, creatively, artistically, and financially.....
Re: 2013
Before we get into the music or what kind of songs they may/should write...
Here’s some shit Axl needs to START DOING IMMEDIATELY....
it's not 1991 anymore... When you're a young singer in a hard rock band and your band is the biggest band in the world... And everyone wants to make you happy... And supermodels want to swallow your cum, and you have an unlimited access to virtually anything, it's easy to have an enormous ego... Some dudes may keep that shit in check.. For others.. Like Mr. Rose, the trappings of super rock stardom and fuck tons of money just tend to magnify your already manic, petulant, violent. antisocial, sociopathic, arrogant, selfish behavior... So much so... That you become a caricature of your own extreme behavior.... There's a certain excitement in watching that unfold...as a fan...A dude like that can bring a lot of attention to the table... Never a dull moment and all that shit.....
Well, Axl... You're in your 50's now... The "Crazy Late, Tantrum Throwing, Asshole Routine" thing has officially run it's course... You may still be rich...You're even still widely recognized and famous... Your reputation has been carved into the Rock history books forever... But if you're going to continue to be in a band, from this point forward, and expect people to show up for your gigs, it's time to be an adult, and a professional... You want people to get into your new band... And stop chanting "Slash" during "Patience"...???
I'll get the most obvious thing outta the way first...
Punctuality, or lack thereof. The fact that you still pull the super late getting onstage thing at 52 years old.
The novelty wore off a long time ago, dude... It's not "The excitement and suspense of a rock show" anymore. Now.. I'm thinking that your just a rude, arrogant, dickhead that is just wasting my time,,, After the show, you and the band are going to a closed club.. Open just for you.. Til Sixx:AM…. 
Which, coincidentally is what time I need to be at work tomorrow…. The ticket says 7:00. If you aren't on that fucking stage by 7:25, at the end of the show, you have to stand at the exit door of the venue, and personally apologize to each and every ticket holder... And act like you mean it.
Re: 2013
Take one for the team... Maybe he could even stop disappearing when people (fans, media, band mates) are counting on him or have questions that only he has the answers to or want to rehearse with a vocalist ...Maybe show up at some sound checks and hang out with fan club members and shit.... Musicians and mystique are over,.. If you're a celebrity of any kind, and you don't make yourself readily available to both the press and your fans... That no longer makes you "mysterious"... It just makes you look like a fucking asshole. That shit's all over... The days of just dropping your pants and taking a steaming dump on your fans and/or your loyal band mates are long gone...The people that you depend on to live and function in the manner in which you've become familiar with will no longer tolerate your shenanigans... and leaving the rest of the band to clean up your ridiculously unnecessary messes and trying to answer questions only you can answer ... Stop it... They don't know shit... You treat them like mushrooms... And I'm sick of the "soon, I think" bit.. Us diehards are all you have left hoss... A growing number of us are getting very cynical and wise to your games.
First off. When someone asks you a question about the old band, or a member of it.... Stop mincing words, and giving shitty, vague, answers to reasonable questions filled with self serving fucking rhetoric .
Stop pretending that era didn't exist, simply because fans refuse to forget about the Appetite For Destruction days and the other four brilliant motherfuckers you used to call your brothers that made that music with you. Songs that had a profoundly positive impact on their (and your) lives. Music that he now almost completely refuses to talk about, acknowledge, or even allow others to acknowledge it's rightful place in history, to the extent of threatening to sue folks.... Friends that go back 20+ years... for releasing their own personal archives of pictures and artifacts chronicling the bands initial rise and the events leading up to and during the making of what (I think)can unanimously be considered, by any measure to be not only just a great album... But a LEGENDARY album, known the world over by an entire generation of people, and then some... That period isn't just about you, sir.... It's a time capsule to our childhood... A simpler world filled with dealers, prostitution, pornography, cigarettes, $2 bottles of wine, corporal punishment, and heroin... We're not going to forget about it or stop talking about it. Everything you have sir, is because of Appetite, and you most certainly owe an enormous debt of loving gratitude to everyone who played on it and/or helped make it and just as responsible as you are for your/its success, and every single human that falls under that description should be treated with as much respect... For the rest of your fucking life .Whether the two of you still speak or not...
And besides.. It's 70% of your fucking set list
You want us to cool it a little? You want anyone with two eyes in a brain to not think you're done, and washed up, and just doing the cash grab oldies circuit?
You want to prove you have any shred of integrity left?
Stop Playing The Old Shit.
Now.
All Of It.
You now have one album of material to play live. You know how to fix that problem.
I'll bet people will at least compare this band to the old band a LOT less, won't they, now?
And, at least THEN... Your hostility towards anyone bringing old shit up would at least be slightly consistent with what is going on onstage...
Maybe then, he could once and for all prove to the world that it wasn't just an Axl power trip that caused the old band to fracture, and that the old band isn't ever coming back.. under any circumstances... Ever...Because, contrary to what many may think...
"Guns N' Roses continues to look forward towards their exciting future, rather than living in the past …And we just took the first step in proving that by removing all Pre-Chinese Democracy material from our live show.... This ain't no cover band"
He believes in these guys that are in the band currently, and what they are capable of together, creatively.... And comparisons to "The Alumni" (Am I the only one that wants to dick punch him every time he says that?) are just silly... That's the first step...
Just like, back then.. He believed in those guys, and, until the end, They came through in "The Clutch"....... But everything changes, and the constant evolution of Guns N' Roses was always in the cards and all part of the plan from day ONE. Personnel changes have always been, and will always be a part of the evolution of this band for it's own creative survival... Because, if your not constantly changing things up and moving forward....
He absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, HAS to produce something that's going to attract a LOT of positive attention.
That something needs to be new/unheard music.
Look, Ax... I know you're a deep and complicated guy...Annnd, of COURSE, you have a preferred way in which you do things... A process that centers you, and brings you peace within, and inspires your creativity... And, on one hand... I can respect that. I can't do what you can do, just like you can't even begin to fathom a day in my shoes...Dude... COME ON...You have all these amazing talents, and a STABLE of unique, gifted musicians surrounding you... Shit, they travel all over the world with you, playing wherever, whenever to crowds who, for the most part, have to be on some level, confused... Either looking at/for you or trying to figure out when Slash got all that fucking ink and got an emo haircut.....And all you do is waste their fucking time, and your own time AND fucking money.... You make it seem like all these resources and all this time are "what it takes" to accomplish simple things like writing and recording music... But you wrote Paradise City in the back of a van, fucking around....
