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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 35 hours ago
Shacklermyrye wrote:Ides Of March 1998 according to Dominguez. He said these were the ones they bought in most complete I think and that would have been January 98, therefore they could be from 1997. Axl got the Idea for Oklahoma In 1995 just after the bombing (same week Izzy and Duff were doing Machine Gun ect) So I guess it depends on what you consider the start of a song writing process, either 95 or 98 take your pick
I'm curious to see if Dizzy gets a writing credit for Nothin'. If so, I think it's possible that Nothin' is Ides of March (Dominguez said it was a Dizzy loop).
It would not surprise me if it was Ides Of March to be fair. When most people hear the word loop they think drum loop, but the fact that Dizzy came up with it & there being that loop throughout the song for sure at least suggests it could be.
Sorum claims to be the one who introduced Axl to the concept of loops I think. Didn't he say in his book that the catchphrase became 'LOOP IT!'?
If Dominguez said it came from a loop and he was there when they came in to Rumbo in 98 then it probably started life in The Complex in 96/97 with either Sorum or Sid Riggs.
From Rumbo your only likely to get Dominguez to talk about it maybe @SP1AT can ask him.
But from The Village nobody outside of Jeff Greenberg is likely to talk about what they did there.
#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 46 hours ago
So we already have
Absurd
Hard skhool
Perhaps
TG
Atlas
NothingAnd we know about
Monsters
State of grace
Seven
Thyme
A new versión of Oh My God?
Eye on you
Me & my Elvis?
Quick song?
ZodiacAnything else?
Oklahoma/ Berlin
Ides Of March 1998 according to Dominguez. He said these were the ones they bought in most complete I think and that would have been January 98, therefore they could be from 1997. Axl got the Idea for Oklahoma In 1995 just after the bombing (same week Izzy and Duff were doing Machine Gun ect) So I guess it depends on what you consider the start of a song writing process, either 95 or 98 take your pick
As It Began parts of which were played live in 2002
Dragon If you except the Engle & Engle paperwork is real
The Rebel (from memory the CD was burned same month RTB was being interviewed at The Village along with Caram)
Oh My God Remix (not bbf version)
Depends on if you count the remixes I guess but this specific one has been largely forgotten by people. I think that years after those forum chats when the BBF guitar stem version leaked people assumed that was what Axl was speaking about back in 2008. However that version does not have new vocals and whilst the new guitar solo by BBF can certainly be described as wild, it’s clear that it’s not on the intro.
“There's a remix w/lots of new vocals and a wilder guitar intro but it's not taken all that seriously. ( AXL Chinesedemocracy.com December 14, 2008).
This basically confirms that not all of the Brain remixes are out there. Remember those half time shows where Brain and Mellissa played that version of Sorry along with the Better remix's? It's likely that there may be a version Of Sorry too.
#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » Last Unhyped/Unknown/Unleaked Track Release Question » 2 days ago
I guess technically New Work Tune should be on this list too
#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » Monsters V20.25 » 2 days ago
It's clearer but, there's a drop in tempo there that kind of sucks the life out of this one for me.
I'm not somewhere I can compare right now but do you mean the tempo is slightly off from the initial leak of Monsters?
Because if so that would indicate that one of those leaks may be a rip from vinyl. Compare Oh My God from CD to the vinyl and you get the same result, slight difference in tempo.
If true that would lend weight to the theory that Monsters was meant to be on that Perhaps 7'' with The general and was removed.
#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Last Unhyped/Unknown/Unleaked Track Release Question » 4 days ago
Whats the last Guns N' Roses track to be offically released that wasn't leaked in advance in some version that we never heard off years in advance before?
Its none of the recent post reunion stuff and most of the cd had been leaked in some form in advance. This I Love was also mentioned in articles in years prior. I don't remember the Shackler's Revenge timeline.
Is it Scraped (when the album came out) or something older like Oh My God or Since I Don't Have You? (I'm too young to know what happened on 90s forums).
It's probably Oh My God, we got a leak of the song but after the actual release. From memory all of CD leaked out on Myspace shortly before release but I skipped listening to that so when I heard the album I think the only song that was completely new to me was Scraped.
There was a fake leak of Scraped with an alternative intro years later but that is definitely fake. So yeah Oh My God and also Sympathy back in 94 didn't leak either
#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » Mustache » 4 days ago
Shacklermyrye wrote:@matiaslegrand
6 months ago
Song written by Pete Scaturro and Carroll. Vocals recorded by Axl in the first "remake-sessions" in 2002/2003. Discarded at the 2004 major overhaul.That could be an educated guess any of us could have made from listening to the song
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@matiaslegrand
6 days ago
@m.b4402 Yes. This song was about the french drummer and actor François-Alexandre Galepides alias Moustache, died in 1987. The chorus has samples from 'Two For The Road', a 70's film (Galepides played a role on it).Brain and the band at the time loved sampling old movies in songs (from the 70's) they were working on & intros both in studio and live (The joint shows).. It seems like something somebody might claim if they wanted fans of that era to believe them.
Oh well, that would make sense. I noticed Brain said to me that Seven has Ben Hur in it, so it would fit in. We'll maybe never know
Brain also said this about it years later...
Extrakd [Steve Freeman] and Mirv [Marc Haggard] and I, when I wasn’t doing Guns stuff, we’d just jam in my living room type of thing. You know, we had, like, a ProTools setup and we were jamming, and we were trying to come up with songs for Guns. We were writing all these crazy songs to try to turn in and these were coming from, like, you know, Extrakd is an old school dj type – he’s a bass player, but he loves old school break beats and, you know, cratedigger type of guy – and so this shit we were putting together was crazy. You know, we were just kind of going like, “Okay, what samples should we find for Axl?” Like, “Well, he’s kind of like Julius Caesar”, so we were sampling Julius Caesar, looking for albums, you know, and old school crazy shit. And I think we sampled, like, Ben Hur and chopped it up and cut it up, and that became a jam called “Seven” – I think we called it “Seven”. And I remember bringing that to the studio to have – I think Roy Thomas Baker was producing at that point and, you know, we’d be playing the stuff and he’d be in. Brain Appetite for Distortion, March 17, 2019
Whilst obviously this is a different song to Mustache it supports the notion that members bringing songs in could direct what a song or idea was about, not just Axl.
I doubt Axl would know about that French drummer but I can believe Brain would. However all of that is a moot point as its just an isolated claim from a Youtube commentor with no supporting info from anywhere else.
#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » Mustache » 5 days ago
Circus Maximus has never been confirmed to be connected to Ides Of March and should not be postulated as such. It's just a theory.
Yeah just a theory
#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » Mustache » 6 days ago
To play devils advocate It may be worth noting that if this claim was real it wouldn't hinge on Axl's knowledge of the French drummer or Zorro. It was Brain who has mentioned before that it was he and EXTRAKD who were findings samples (eg) Ben Hur..
It's not like it was Axl who named a song after chicken, or called Better Three Dollar Pyramid. Everything suggests that the writing of these songs was a group effort.
But obviously anyone can make wild claims in comment sections. There is one guy would claims Paul Tobias wrote everything and another who is a mental Fink fan and has probably hounded all of us at some point.
#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » Mustache » 6 days ago
@matiaslegrand
6 months ago
Song written by Pete Scaturro and Carroll. Vocals recorded by Axl in the first "remake-sessions" in 2002/2003. Discarded at the 2004 major overhaul.
That could be an educated guess any of us could have made from listening to the song
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@matiaslegrand
6 days ago
@m.b4402 Yes. This song was about the french drummer and actor François-Alexandre Galepides alias Moustache, died in 1987. The chorus has samples from 'Two For The Road', a 70's film (Galepides played a role on it).
Brain and the band at the time loved sampling old movies in songs (from the 70's) they were working on & intros both in studio and live (The joint shows).. It seems like something somebody might claim if they wanted fans of that era to believe them.
#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » Mustache » 6 days ago
Can you link the video please?
