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#771 Re: Guns N' Roses » LedZAerial - Finck Project (Led Zeppelin tribute band) » 918 weeks ago
I understood the Finck timeline went something like this:
Early '94 - Late '95: Self-Destruct Tour with NIN
Early '96 - Early '97: Cirque de Soleil Quidam
Late '97 - Late '99: On contract with GNR
Late '99 - Late '00: Fragility Tour with NIN
Late '00 -> On contract with GNR
Early '03: Formation of LedZAerial during GNR downtime
#772 Re: Guns N' Roses » Another theory as to why the the ball is in the record company's hands » 918 weeks ago
Naturally, when the label decides upon a release date, it'll be all over the company within the next few weeks, and will inevitably leak out simply because of the number of people involved. That's a sure-fire of the process having been started. I'd say we're currently looking at 2-3 months from point x before record would be out, as I strongly it has been completed.
I do agree with Scabman that point x is still in the future, as that'll be the day when Universal formally locks down the release date and has the master ready. Hard to say what the status of the subsequent albums might be, but they've been recording and mixing for a good while now. Before the European tour, the band had enough material for CD (13 songs), 13 other songs "nearly done", with another 6 work-in-progress cuts.
That would be enough songs to cover CD and the follow-up and half of the third album. A good amount of that material might be traced back all the way to the original midnight jams in late 90's, which has since been laboriously cut and pasted with ProTools into various takes, with various musicians and producers doing alternative takes. For instance, The General originates from mid-02 the latest, as that's when Marco Beltrami was brought in to work on some orchestral arrangements on it.
"The music was eclectic and at the time that I was doing it there were no lyrics on the songs that I was working on. [...] They had finished tracks. On one song [Seven] I actually wrote a guitar part, but they pretty much had the band tracks down and then I added orchestral stuff on top of it." - Beltrami
"One of my favorite songs is this song called 'The General', which is so'¦ it's by far the heaviest metal tune I think ive ever heard Axl do, this slow, grinding riff with these high, peircing vocals, screaming vocals. I was like, 'When is this coming out?' And he said '2012″ I was like, 'Dude, you're killin' me!' He goes, 'Well, this comes out on the third record. It relates to this song, it's a trilogy, this goes with this lyrically.'" - Baz
Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if Axl had worked on two or three albums simultaneously, and with the lack of proper or even ordinary production management during the years (himself being the producer, sole lyrics writer, vocalist, etc. since 2002), it shouldn't come as a wonder why he would've been losing track of time more than once. He boasted years ago that lyrics are written last, once the music was done. If The General, for instance, has this third album intertextuality going for it, Axl would've had to have an idea of three albums way back in 2002; otherwise he would've been forced to re-do a lot of lyrics in more recent times simply to match the trilogy concept.
In any case, I'd think they have a pretty good idea of what the second album is and what it will entail. That would be mean relatively finished recording, various mixes and completed lyrics. Otherwise there's very little point in working a on a third album song and playing it to your over-zealous opening act.
#773 The Sunset Strip » Full Metal Skeletor » 918 weeks ago
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Ol' bonehead lays down some law over at Snake Mountain. Audio from Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket.
#774 Re: Guns N' Roses » Another theory as to why the the ball is in the record company's hands » 918 weeks ago
the_real_jessica wrote:didn't axl go from geffen books to universal, and then to sanctuary ?
but then, sanctuary was bought out by EMI and Emi are now dropping loads of artists who " don't do what they should to promote themselves or who don't work hard enough" ( in their words)
So ?
Last I heard from people actually at the label, the album will be printed on the Interscope label,
Just to clear this up:
-1999: GNR was at Geffen
1999-2003: Geffen became a part of Interscope, GNR now nominally at Interscope
2003-2004: Geffen relaunch, GNR is moved over to their roster. It's specifically Geffen that terminates future funding for CD.
The album will come out under the Universal umbrella. But I'd be curious to know whether Axl's been battling with the company to get back to Jimmy Iovine at Interscope, who proved to be much more patient with him than the then-Geffen CEO Jordan Scher.
#775 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy starts - never? » 918 weeks ago
On the other hand, the CD name comes with a good of deal of baggage. It is certainly the Great White Whale of albums, the mythic punch-line of countless of industry jokes. I fear the name itself will attract criticism and force many people to consider it as music 'produced for 15 years', even while we might know the album's been overhauled more than once over the years. I agree that using any other album name would be short-sighted and would rob the release whatever dignity it still might have left. However, the problem remains that CD is going to be a name with a lot of prejudice.
I could live with the album being self-titled.
The music and the band would be "Guns N' Roses". Axl could turn the joke around and start saying that CD is still around the corner. S/T could still feature CD, I doubt that would matter. The band would liberated from the CD stigma and, depending on S/T's reception, people might still be interested in hearing CD itself and would consider it in a more lenient manner.
#776 Re: Guns N' Roses » LedZAerial - Finck Project (Led Zeppelin tribute band) » 918 weeks ago
The vids won't work for me. Guess their servers have been overloaded by Finck fans.
Anyway, here's a few clips on LedZaerial.
Robin Finck on guitar, Bianca Sapetto, Russ Stark, and Ana Lenchantin on cello
So this is what Robin did in 2003, alongside Paz Lenchantin's sister no less.
LedZAerial is a physical, sensual, thrilling journey through the psychedelic and elaborate music of Led Zeppelin. [...] Ask for a Power Point presentation, DVD or video. - Rajiworld
Damn. I'd be interested in getting a DVD of the show.
#777 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Talk...... Ofcourse We Want More » 918 weeks ago
Remember ten years back?
Moby had done very brief feel-out period with the band, and every rock journalist on the planet wanted to know what was exactly going on. Moby gave a dozen different statements about how nice Axl was and how they were taking steps updating the traditional GNR sound in an exciting new way. In late '99, Axl finally delivered a message through Rolling Stone: 'I appreciate all the publicity [Moby]'s been getting us, but shut up already!''
If Moby's train of thought would've been correct, he would've been doing GNR a pretty big favor, as the album could've come out in late '99/early '00. But when Axl started telling people to shut up, it was pretty obvious the album wasn't going to come around anytime soon. Now Baz is doing the Moby thing times 1,000. That's partly because Axl's on his record, so the namedrops aren't completely gratuitous. Yet unlike Moby, Baz has heard a product that's been taken a pretty long way.
I'd say Axl's readying himself for a release. He shouldn't talk in public about it before Universal has a release date out (and preferrably a single in rotation), but Baz is a pretty safe way to test the waters. His enthusiasm is certainly good news, as we could all ask Axl why should we give a crap about the album, when you oftentimes don't seem to do so either.
#778 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » A.X.L. » 918 weeks ago
1976 - 1979?
Impossible.
Axl was still in Lafayette at that time. He didn't get to Hollywood until '81-'82.
As far as I know, A.X.L. was a Lafayette band, before Izzy and Axl moved to California.
Rose/Hollywood Rose was responsible for all of those songs.
Paul Tobias and Axl wrote Shadow of Your Love and Back Off Bitch. They were pre-Hollywood Rose songs, quite possibly A.X.L. songs.
Here, Izzy talks about his times in Lafayette pre-1980 and his move to LA. While he never mentions the band, it's pretty obvious that he's referring to A.X.L.; particularly because he was still a drummer back then.
Stradlin recalls: "My dad built a bar in our basement. He sold insurance, and on the weekends all his work buddies would come over to get drunk and party. There would always be a band, and while I was working the keg, they'd use my drum kit. The guy who played drums would teach me stuff. I had a guitar, too, at one point, and I dicked around with it, but I always went back to drums."
In high school, Stradlin and some friends began playing in his garage. Axl Rose was the singer. "I met Axl in drivers' ed," Stradlin relates. "We were long-haired guys in high school. You were either a jock or a stoner. We weren't jocks, so we ended up hanging out together. We'd play covers in the garage. There were no clubs to play at, so we never made it out of the garage. Axl was really shy about singing back then. But I always knew he was a singer." - Izzy, '98
There you have the original Indiana posse. Lank and Tobias would move on to Mank Rage with the occasional run-in with Hollywood Rose/GNR, Mike Hammernik would later be featured in Rapidfire. When Axl called Paul Tobias "the original guitar player" at HOB 01/01/01, he sure as hell wasn't kidding.
#779 Re: Management » Opportunistic Lowlifes? » 918 weeks ago
Brody talks to Kurt Loder:
Loder: What have you been doing for the last six and a half weeks, since the last forum shut down?
Brody: Trying to figure out how to run a board.
Loder: Ah, you already knew how to do that, right?
Brody: I originally wanted to make a traditional forum or try to get back to a "Here Today [Gone to Hell]" thing or something, because that would have been a lot easier for me to do. I was involved in a lot of lawsuits for Roses of Velvet and in my own personal life, so I didn't have a lot of time to try and develop a new style or re-invent myself, so I was hoping to run a traditional thing, but I was not really allowed to do that.
Loder: What prevented you from running, like, a traditional GNR forum?
Brody: Lofton.
Loder: [Laughs] But you could have found another moderator or something, right?
Brody: Well, not really.... Not to run a true Guns forum. It's kind of like, I don't know, if you know somebody has a relationship, and there's difficulties in that, and Mr. or Mrs. Right doesn't kind of just stumble into their path, or they don't stumble across that person, they can't really get on with things. Somebody didn't come into my radar that would have really replaced Lofton in a proper way.
Loder: Yeah.
Brody: And it really wasn't something we were trying to do. We were trying to make things work with Lofton for a very, very long time... about three and a half seconds.
Loder: Wow. Jeez. That's a shame, because it seemed like such a tight unit. This HTGTH thread seems like a farewell to that era.
Brody: It is exactly that. It's a farewell to that.... It was something we wanted to give to the public in a way of saying farewell. It was a very difficult thing to do, as reading to it and the people involved... [it] wasn't the most emotionally pleasant thing to do.
Loder: Is it fair to say that we may never be reading this stuff ever again? This old material?
Brody: No, no, that's not true at all. In fact, actually, I have re-uploaded "RoV" and--
Loder: You re-uploaded "Roses of Velvet?"
Brody: Yes, I have.
Loder: The whole board?
Brody: Yes.
Loder: Whoa.
[...]
Loder: At any time, were you thinking of keeping Double Talking Jive or Neemo or anybody on board too? Or was that all over from the beginning?
Brody: That was their choice to leave. Everybody that's gone did it by choice. Neemo was fired, but Neemo came in attempting to get fired and told many people so that night. So it's kind of like everybody left by choice. They really didn't think I was going to figure out a way to run a board, [and they] didn't want to help really run a board. Everybody kind of wanted what they wanted individually rather than what's in the best interest of the whole.
[...]
Loder: Do you find it difficult to capture with a new group of members that same sort of group feeling that the original RoV had?
Brody: No. No, not with the particular people involved. To be honest, it was a long time for me since Roses of Velvet as the old management had been fun, and the new guys have been a breath of fresh air. People are really excited about what we got. They're really proud of it, and it was, again, it was just time. I'm not trying to put the other guys down. It's like, I think people really wanted to do different things other than try to figure out the right board here for Guns N' Roses fans. But at the same time, Roses of Velvet was a big thing. How do you walk away from that? It's a very complicated thing, I think, for everybody involved.
[...]
Loder: Do you have a computer setup at home? Are you online?
Brody: Yeah, I have a full server, and that causes me great pain and pleasure.
Loder: [Laughs] What are the painful parts, when it crashes?
Brody: Yeah. Just, you know, basically my inadequacy with modern machinery.
--
Scary, isn't it?
#780 Re: Guns N' Roses » How we will know for sure that CD is done » 918 weeks ago
Ah, there it is.
After re-reading the letter, I'll rephrase my earlier comment. I feel Axl was overtly optimistic on how easy it would be to strike a new deal with the label. First off, he's got 'two to three days' left on the album. Tour ends Dec 20th. The following week is all season holidays. With a label willing to commit to a March 6th release, by eight week processing time the record would have to be turned in during the second week of January. Axl certainly could've done in the remaining studio days during the New Year (and he did, in Vegas no less). But. He obviously thought he could also persuade Universal with only cursory post-holiday listenings / meetings to release the beast posthaste, simply because he and his people had made some miscalculations down the line and now needed to redeem themselves.
I think March 6th was lost first and foremost because Axl realized he'd acted a bit too hastily (even April 3rd would've noticeably tipped the scales to his favor) and painted himself into a real nifty corner with a completely unrealistic release date simply because Universal would never commit to such a rapid action - not with a $13 Million project.