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#771 Re: Guns N' Roses » Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak » 789 weeks ago
Neemo wrote:as the days, weeks, months go by its much more apparent to me that CD was released for the internet communities
That actually makes a lot of sense considering the tracklist is 90% of what had been gossiped about during the entire time leading up to it's release.
It's like they purposely put out that collection of songs to shut us up and keep us somewhat happy.
More people than just internet fans wanted to hear CD. Axl has been the butt of jokes for years because of the album being so delayed. And if Axl didnt want to release CD yet back in 2008 and he wanted to work on it even more, what does that tell you about him???
If anything CD was released to get out of the thumb for the label. Because now that it got put out and BB paid off all the debt they are off his back.
Axl just handled the whole release very poorly.
#772 Re: Guns N' Roses » for the the posters that doesnt like others complaining about Ron » 789 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:You can lock this thread, that is cool, and my point about pussy ron fans was out of line, but people should really stop with calling others trolls if they don't agree with someones point of view. And yes it was flame bait but only talking about the ones that call me a troll, or hater, that is also flame bait is it not?
We can just lock this thread and move on. Its probably for the best.
I admire your balls, but when you make an attack on a famous person their fans will always react strongly, makes threads that bash ppl absolute warzones.
Why not just make a thread on how Great Bucket is? RAther than how bad BBF is?. Bit of positivity goes a long way
This thread may have been my fault since the wording may not have been the best, it was not to bash Ron at all.
It was for the people who just want to call me a troll or what not to keep it in this thread instead other thread that discuss his playing ability.
People need to learn to debate someones opinion and not just call them names because they cannot write an opinion why they disagree.
#773 Re: Guns N' Roses » for the the posters that doesnt like others complaining about Ron » 789 weeks ago
as for CITR leak vs album version...album version owns IMO...i didnt even care for the song before the album came out...besides the leak was such shit quality i dont even know how anyone can hear enough to even critique that version TBH...in a day and age where people cant live without the absoute highest bitrate on songs its really amusing to hear that shit version is favored over a finished product..also id rather havea member of gnr play the song than a guest any day...besides brian may isnt that great anyway...there...something new for you guys to bitch about
The leak even with its poor quality still sounds and flows way better than the album version. The album version is such a mess, its just a bunch of noise now and has zero feeling. It does not matter how much better the quality of the album version is over the leak, everything about the leak was much better.
Brian May is a decent guitar player, not as good as BH that is for sure, maybe he gave the song feeling, where as Ron and even Robin ruined his solos.
Its just like the UYI demos, sure the quality of demos are not as good as the album versions but the Dont Cry demo is far superior to the album version.
#774 Re: Guns N' Roses » for the the posters that doesnt like others complaining about Ron » 789 weeks ago
You can lock this thread, that is cool, and my point about pussy ron fans was out of line, but people should really stop with calling others trolls if they don't agree with someones point of view. And yes it was flame bait but only talking about the ones that call me a troll, or hater, that is also flame bait is it not?
We can just lock this thread and move on. Its probably for the best.
#775 Re: Guns N' Roses » Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak » 789 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:Naltav wrote:dave-gnfnr wrote:You really think Axl respects his fans?
Things he have said in tweets, mentions from the stage, his deciscion to chat on the forums instead of going through magazines tells me yes. If YOU choose to ignore it, hmm, well that's another story....
Almost the entire album have been played live on this tour!
In this day and age, an album is promotion for the tour, not the other way around. You gettin' old Dave?Chinese Democracy have sold millions of copies and gone Gold and Platinum all over the world. Could it have sold even more with focus on singles and videos? Sure! Just because it flopped according to your expectations, don't make it so!
See above....
If Axl respected his fans he would never no show gigs, he would never bitch at his fans in tweets, he would go on at a normal hour when he plays a show. Those are just a few ways he does not respect his fans.
As for promoting his album, he started playing less and less CD songs as the tour went along, and three of those songs he kept playing he was been playing for almost 10 years. How is playing songs live even promoting the album? Those people are already BUYING tix to the shows and most likely bought CD.
And he has been doing the CD tour since 2002 you can hardly claim touring is promoting the album since Axl is not even promoting this tour. You never heard Axl talking about it now do you?Axl does not do interviews, there is no video, he disappeared for a year after CD dropped, yeah he really promoted this album. And no those forum chats dont count since, like I said, only the die hard fans who post on the boards read about them.
CD flopped big time, it has only sold 3-4m world wide, and has not even sold one million yet in the US, that is a huge flop. And going platinum does not mean anything, that is just for units shipped not sold, and some countries you only have to sell 100k to go plantium. This album was expected to sell 3m in the US alone, and its only sold that much world wide, how is tht not a flop for the so called most anciciptated album of all time and an album that cost over 13m and took 10 years to put out?
It flopped by everyone's expectations. The label didnt care because they made that deal with BB that made their money back for what they put into it.
In my view and many fans view, things are great! The band sound great, they seem happy, the fans at the shows seem exctatic!! I'm excited as hell for the two shows I'm attending here in Norway in a few weeks. I view the current status in a postive light....
You can troll and piss on it at every angle you choose, you ain't bringing nobody down to your childish "butt-hurt-my-favourite-players-left" -level. Period!
The fan-sites and the band seem to have a negative effect on you... Guys like you who put yourselfs through this day in and day out will allways be a mystery to me. I got my own theory on it, but I'll keep that to myself.
Try and focus on something positive in your life. Take a walk outside, whistle a happy tune or something... Things are not going to go according to your gameplan any time soon.
Again there you go with the trolling name again.
Nothing I am doing is trolling. All I do is give my view and most gnr fans views (off these boards) what they think of this band.
You can be a fan and not agree or like everything they do. Most gnr fans were not happy when Izzy left, yet does that make them a troll because they voiced their opinion of it? Of course not.
The only thing that has a negative effect on me are the people who cant accept not everyone will have the same view as them and call me a troll because I disagree.
There are things I like about this band and things I dont like but I have every right to speak out about the things I dont like. You should just relax more and accept not everyone is going to have your opinion.
I am not like you and others, I dont just accept Axls antics, I will actually call him on it and speak out went I disagree with the things he does.
People have always complained about something in this band since the beginning, be it BH wearing a bucket on his head, Robin being a goth, what ever, but of course those people always had the right to speak out because they looked different.
But we cannot about Ron because he is such a nice guy.
#776 Re: Guns N' Roses » Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak » 789 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:CD flopped big time, it has only sold 3-4m world wide, and has not even sold one million yet in the US, that is a huge flop. And going platinum does not mean anything, that is just for units shipped not sold, and some countries you only have to sell 100k to go plantium. This album was expected to sell 3m in the US alone, and its only sold that much world wide, how is tht not a flop for the so called most anciciptated album of all time and an album that cost over 13m and took 10 years to put out?
It flopped by everyone's expectations. The label didnt care because they made that deal with BB that made their money back for what they put into it.
Madagas, and others make a strong case that that isnt the case...if you take into cinsideration what the best buy deal did for the advance debt that gnr had incurred then its a different story...The best buy deal may actually mean that everythign form here on out is gravy to the label...maybe the next time around (CDII and maybe III) that Geffen will devote a bit more $$$ to more promo...maybe the loss of the financial burden that GnR itself may be a bit more outgoing for the next disk...
as the days, weeks, months go by its much more apparent to me that CD was reelased for the internet communities...TBH i dont think that ayone outside the communities will appreciate the long, winding, painfull road that led up to the release of chinese democracy
The best buy deal does not make CD a success. Album sales show that CD was a huge failure. 3-4m albums for guns n roses is a huge failure. That is less than TSI, and its much less than their greatest hits album sold. CD is not even in billboard top 200 where as GH was for a few years.
CD wasn't released for the internet community, it was supposed to be the most anticipated album of all time. Most gnr and music fans just didnt like what they heard thus didn't buy it. Claiming it was released for the internet community shows you know it was a huge failure and you are trying to down play that.
CD was Axl trying to prove to the world he was guns n roses, and didn need slash or izzy but he proved that was just not true.
#777 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rumors building up regarding CDII release date... » 789 weeks ago
you are right. it just sucks that axl couldn't get the album out back then. through all this i find it amazing that the guys that made the songs and recorded it aren't the ones playing the shit now. yeah i know that some of the material was re-re-re-recorded to feature the players that he has now but damn. to drop the album around mtv 2002 and right before north american tour. then again his voice was suspect and like james has said often....he was in no mental state to be on tour. i would agree both physically and mentally.
True, because now you basically have a cover band covering the CD songs and the AFD songs.
That is the only reason Axl put Ron on every track of CD no matter how small his addition was, and even putting Frank on some of the songs.
Because he knows its bad he cannot even keep his band together. Frank added nothing to CD and it was a joke he redid brains CD. And I still dont think Ron added anything good to CD, he just made the album more of a mess by adding parts that didnt even fit in the context of the song.
It was rumored CDII was made with CD, so hopefully there is a ton of BH< Robin, and Brain on the next album. It would be stupid to replace brains tracks with Frank, and to have DJ redo Robins parts
That is why I really think the best think that can happen is for the hoarders to leak out the songs the way they were meant to be heard. The 2002-06 versions before Axl started adding addition band members.
Imagine the out cry if when Gilby joined he redid izzys parts of UYI?
#778 Re: Guns N' Roses » for the the posters that doesnt like others complaining about Ron » 789 weeks ago
That's it, keep changing your story, I thought you just said newbie meant someone who wasn't around 8 years ago to argue with you then?
I don't have to change anything, the problem is posters instead of actually debating the topic, calling someone a hater or a troll when they dont even know what they are talking about.
The fact is, they cannot debate the topic because they know they cant refute what I am saying, so the best they can do is call someone a troll or hater. That is what this thread is for, for those posters that just want it whine about me or who ever else when ever we make a comment about Ron they disagree with, and cannot give their opinion why they disagree and instead just want to call that person a troll or hater.
The is the problem with a lot of Ron fans, all they can do is whine about people not liking him and cant even write a post why they disagree with someone that does not like his playing. yes some Ron fans can do that, and this thread is not meant for them, this thread is meant for the cry babies who cannot actually write a post why they disagree with someone elses opinion on ron.
#779 Re: Guns N' Roses » Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak » 789 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:You really think Axl respects his fans?
Things he have said in tweets, mentions from the stage, his deciscion to chat on the forums instead of going through magazines tells me yes. If YOU choose to ignore it, hmm, well that's another story....
dave-gnfnr wrote:Does Axl promote his album?
Almost the entire album have been played live on this tour!
In this day and age, an album is promotion for the tour, not the other way around. You gettin' old Dave?dave-gnfnr wrote:And that is exactly why most gnr fans hate Axl Rose and why CD flopped.
Chinese Democracy have sold millions of copies and gone Gold and Platinum all over the world. Could it have sold even more with focus on singles and videos? Sure! Just because it flopped according to your expectations, don't make it so!
dave-gnfnr wrote:What did say that was not true?
See above....
If Axl respected his fans he would never no show gigs, he would never bitch at his fans in tweets, he would go on at a normal hour when he plays a show. Those are just a few ways he does not respect his fans.
As for promoting his album, he started playing less and less CD songs as the tour went along, and three of those songs he kept playing he was been playing for almost 10 years. How is playing songs live even promoting the album? Those people are already BUYING tix to the shows and most likely bought CD.
And he has been doing the CD tour since 2002 you can hardly claim touring is promoting the album since Axl is not even promoting this tour. You never heard Axl talking about it now do you?
Axl does not do interviews, there is no video, he disappeared for a year after CD dropped, yeah he really promoted this album. And no those forum chats dont count since, like I said, only the die hard fans who post on the boards read about them.
CD flopped big time, it has only sold 3-4m world wide, and has not even sold one million yet in the US, that is a huge flop. And going platinum does not mean anything, that is just for units shipped not sold, and some countries you only have to sell 100k to go plantium. This album was expected to sell 3m in the US alone, and its only sold that much world wide, how is tht not a flop for the so called most anciciptated album of all time and an album that cost over 13m and took 10 years to put out?
It flopped by everyone's expectations. The label didnt care because they made that deal with BB that made their money back for what they put into it.
#780 Re: Guns N' Roses » Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak » 789 weeks ago
That was sarcasm btw DCK, I should have used a 
