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#751 Re: Guns N' Roses » The year I learned how to stop caring and love the wait » 915 weeks ago

DoubleTalkingJive wrote:

I think Axl has more money then people realize, his royalties are tremendous, think about how many times you hear old GNR and how much money he has made off the tour and merchandise.   I wonder how much Axl got for WTTJ and SCOM being on Guitar Hero.

Well, Axl did sell his 1/3 of the publishing rights to the GNR back catalogue (along with 100% of those covering the future CD tracks) to Sanctuary Publishing in January 2005. The deal ends in 2025, and the rights are then reverted. The estimated value of the rights was $19 million. While I don't know whether Sanctuary Group (or it's new owner, Universal - of all parties!) bought the property with a fixed sum or rather by paying him roughly a million per year as any lessee, he nevertheless secured a good chunk of money right there and then.

That situation can be read two ways. He either wanted to distance himself from Slash and Duff to avoid a future situation similar to the infamous Black Hawk Down incident, or he needed the money. Letting go of the CD publishing rights wouldn't make sense in the first scenario, which is why I'm sort of leaning towards believing Axl wanted to financially secure both himself and his album.

Remember now, he lives in a big house and has all sorts of expenses everyday. Songwriting royalties (which he still receives to this day) come from both album sales and various medias the back catalogue can be licensed to; movies, commercials, video games, etc. He wouldn't have given Slash and Duff an all-access to controlling the back catalogue after fighting against it so ferociously (as Sanctuary Group was certainly keen to make big with their investment - remember their last years of drought), unless he felt he needed more money in the bank at the very moment.

Was it not Slash's book in which he said most of the money gotten out of the UYI tour was blown to the lavish parties and that Axl's bank account in particular couldn't have sustained much more of such punishment? Throw in the lawsuits in the early 90's with Steven, Erin Everly and Stephanie Seymour, all settled out of court with undisclosed sums, cumulating quite possibly millons of dollars.

All this considered, I wouldn't be surprised if Axl, while still able to pass on as the rich man, wouldn't feel all that comfortable to self-finance a production as lavish as CD.

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2025 (twenty-oh-twenty-five) actually reminded me of Zager & Evans.

In the year 2025
If Axl is still alive
If the fanbase can survive they may find

In the year 2025
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think do and say
Is in the song you wrote today

In the year 2025
You ain't gonna need your teeth won't need your eyes
You won't find a thing to chew
Nobody's gonna look at you

In the year 2025
Your arms hangin' limp at your sides
Your voice got nothin' to do
Some machine's doing that for you

In the year 2025
Won't need no assistant, won't need no time
You'll pick your tracks, pick your mixes too
From the coils of a long youtube

In the year 2025
If CD's a comin' It oughta make it by then
Maybe Ax'll look around Himself and say
Guess it's time for the judgement day

In the year 2025
Rose's gonna shake His mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where the album's been
Or tear it down and start again woh oh

In the year 2025
I'm kinda wonderin' if Axl's gonna be alive
He's takin everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothin woh oh

Now it's been ten thousand years
The fanbase has cried a billion tears
For what he never knew
Now Axl's reign is through

But through eternal night
The twinkling of starlight
So very far away
Maybe it's only yesterday

#752 Guns N' Roses » The year I learned how to stop caring and love the wait » 915 weeks ago

sic.
Replies: 71

It's never really that simple.

We're fast approaching the one-year anniversary of Axl's open letter, in which he announced the tentative release date of March 6th, 07 for CD. He mentioned minor, minor additions were left to be made, while Merck in a subsequent open response revealed a deal would still have to be with the label. Merck also said they'd "needed the money [from the European & US tours] to be able to complete the album and keep the band alive"; the project had been self-financed for several years now, and wasn't about to change at the last minute. "The record company refused to conclude the renegotiation until we were ready to hand over the finished album and refused to prepare a marketing campaign or commission video treatments until they had it in their hands."

One year later, there is no album out. It's said to be finished but Universal wasn't about to strike a deal last year before Axl had delivered. The reasoning that follows now is "no album this year, no new deal with the label, no album turned over to the label".

The album may be finished, you say. Damn straight, could be. Last we heard was in 02/22, when Del James descended from the mountain where the fire hasn't ceased to burn in well over a decade. Recording was completed, and the band had begun the mixing process. Baz had integrated himself into the recordings seamlessly and will have his presence felt. In other words, Axl heard him sing a chorus for Sorry after putting out his open letter and realized he could chalk it under those minor additions.

That's one of those things that stand up when looking at the CD saga. More than once, Axl's taken fancy of something and started to figure out how to implement it on his record(s), in atleast one of the songs. This I Love had a friggin harp added to it when the song was over twelve years old; not to mention the oft-rumored Prostitute which's been described as a hard-hitting rock track, despite having everything aside the kitchen sink crammed in due to the modest orchestration by Paul Buckmaster (ten 1st Violins, eight 2nd Violins, six violas, and eight cellos).

They also toured this past year. Mexico, Australia, New Zealand and Japan (with apologies to South Africa); all very easy markets, where the enthusiasm for GNR today equals if not surpasses that of Europe. Merck said the touring money was needed when the label refused to budge. No doubt the album wasn't turned over by the summer, as touring without the album in those markets is best explained by the overall lack of funds. In that case, I hope Axl arranged his extravagant afterparties out of his own pocket instead of blowing some hard-earned dime from the band's war chest.

Axl has quite obviously put his own money into the project eversince February 2004. By now, he probably realized it's not a very healthy investment and by touring, he could get back the money he'd invested on top of Universal's $13 million. Even with royalty checks coming in, it's hard to believe Axl could sustain both the financing and his standard of living for years on without getting a bit worried. There are a few choices to resolve the matter; complete CD as well as possible with the money you're currrently willing to invest (which could mean no Baz sessions, btw) and crawl back to Universal - or tour, forget label money, cover your past expenses and perhaps even generate some surplus. In this digital day and age, touring already appears to be the main source of revenue of many artists. What a pioneer spirit Axl would thus be - generate money by touring and pour it all down to an album which a great many people will download, thus stealing you from the money you invested in the first place.

The problem only comes to play if Universal still takes as hard a stance as Merck suggested. No deal with Axl before CD means Axl could continue to negotiate with them and simultaneously finalize his album as long as he'd like, but they wouldn't give a damn before he'd actually turn it over. Every time he goes on tour, he buys more time. Every time the fanbase cares less. One might compare the situation to the Halloween parties he tends to host in Malibu.

Axl throws a costume party every Halloween for friends and their families. Enormous pumpkins ring the swimming pool, and spider webs hang in the trees. Specially built mazes and forts rattle with squealing children. Almost as excited as a child, Axl himself has been known to dash around and toy with every attraction. One past guest gets the impression that Axl is trying to re-create his own childhood, albeit one better than his actually was. The Halloween scene in the past few years hasn't been what it once was. "His parties have been getting smaller and smaller," recalls one recent guest. "The ever-shrinking universe." - RS, 2000

Of course, there's an exit. Various ("final") mixes of several songs do exist; the catch-22 is that they are behind a lock and key due to Axl's (n)ongoing negotiations with the label. If you'd ask the band, the response would be that there are no "final mixes", because those'd be the ones that would eventually be featured on the album. But then there are these "work-in-progress final mixes", which are an excellent way to measure the public interest regarding the project, and the only way imaginable to shift the pressure back to the label's end. "Release it before it all leaks, along with your $13 million."

If, by now, Axl has a trilogy of discs being readied, he has a good amount of potential tracks that might trickle out in the times to come. Those three tracks on Angel Down were nothing if not a short run of leaking Sorry. As long as the stalemate persists, Axl needs to remind everybody of what they're waiting for in the first place. That's the only real way to keep the audience on his side, and he does need to gather some major outside interest if he'd want to impress Universal.

Next year, the stakes get even higher as Axl's not getting any younger. 46 in less than two months, man. Isn't it time to take the stage again and say just one word?

"Sorry."

#753 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » What Next?? » 915 weeks ago

If VR were to go to an indefinite hiatus...

Slash would obviously do his solo album. If there's one thing about him that's been consistent over the years, it's his desire to keep pushing out new music and playing in a live setting. Informally it'd be Snakepit 3. So I'd still expect to see him get out of the house ever so often, with or without VR.

Duff might be a different case scenario. After GNR, he's tried to launch Loaded, Neurotic Outsiders and now VR. Meanwhile he finally got the education he sought after and now enjoys a family life.  I wouldn't be surprised if he'd lay low for a while as a musician - then again, working with Slash is always a possiblity.

Matt won't be going to The Cult unless Joey Tempesta should need a replacement. That ship's sailed, it appears. He'll continue with Camp Freddy and meanwhile, Snakepit mk. 3 is never that far away. I'd be surprised if he wouldn't be featured on neither Slash's album or the tour.

Dave... I remember an interview with Dave from the VR early days. He said he thought was in for a good thing, but he also knew it could all come down abruptly. That's why he was planning on saving as much money as possible for the future. I kinda hope he managed to hold on to that one.

Scott will eventually try to relaunch his solo career again. If that fails him, he'll check back with the DeLeo brothers. STP reunion's something he's talked about recently, and it might just come to pass - a lot would depend on his overall condition, though.

#754 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Weiland Arrested Again » 916 weeks ago

This is a bad thing for Weiland.

Here's the skinny on the last DUI incident, which earned him a six-month stint in rehab, as well as a three-year probation. Since he's a repeat violator, it's more certain than not that this will come down to him hard. Worst case scenario is that all VR activity is shut down for several months as Weiland would go back to rehab - at any case, if found guilty, he may experience some difficulty in leaving the country to meet foreign tour dates.

He goes to court on Dec. 13th, which could mean VR'll cancel/postpone the Universal City show set for 12/12. If found guilty, I expect we don't hear much of him for the next six months to one year. By that time the Libertad ship has sailed, and Slash & Duff have gotten fed up with this kind of crap.

At the moment, I'd say its debatable whether VR will continue to exist next year.


STONE TEMPLE PILOTS/VELVET REVOLVER frontman Scott Weiland was arrested on charges of driving under the influence of alcohol and drugs and misdemeanor hit-and-run following a traffic collision that occurred in Hollywood Monday morning, BLABBERMOUTH.NET can exclusively reveal.
The singer, who turned 36 on Oct. 27, was driving alone near the corner of Melrose and Orange avenues at approximately 6:30 a.m. when he lost control of his BMW and struck several parked cars. He allegedly attempted to leave the scene of the accident and was quickly apprehended by police.

Weiland was released from jail Monday afternoon after posting $15,000 bail and is scheduled to be arraigned in Los Angeles Municipal Court on November 17.

Prior to his latest arrest, Weiland had completed most of the drug testing and counseling required after he pleaded no contest in August to two felony drug-possession charges. Judge Colette Serio told the singer in a Pasadena, California, court last week that he may remain free while he tries to kick his habit, but that could change should he not test clean. He was due back in court for another progress report in January. - 10/29/03

#755 Re: Guns N' Roses » Another Year Almost Gone By » 916 weeks ago

Settle down, chief.

Merely suggesting that people should take Mysteron's info as is, without reading out nuggets of info that aren't there to begin with. He's saying the label is currently holding back the CD release. I personally tend to give Mysteron the benefit of a doubt in these things.

So I do believe him.

#756 Re: Guns N' Roses » Another Year Almost Gone By » 916 weeks ago

To be clear, what Mysteron actually said was

Mysteron wrote:

The delay is being caused by the record company. The ball is in their court now.

- HTGTH

Does this mean (he said) CD's mastered? Not necessarily.
Does this mean (he said) CD's turned over to the label? Not necessarily.

#757 Re: Guns N' Roses » Another Year Almost Gone By » 916 weeks ago

madagas wrote:

Step away from the computer...gather yourself....go drink a beer. You don't really know these people...the internet is a very surreal world....Gnr is just a rock group...not really anything important.:nervous:

I hear ya, amigo... It's times like these that make you and me both wish we'd stayed lurkers.

#758 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Australian Tour Dates Axed » 916 weeks ago

The cancellation of the Japanese dates certainly made me raise an eyebrow and in that respect, the news about the Aussie dates comes as little surprise. As already been mentioned in this thread, throw in  a disappointing reception of Libertad and all that's said to have been going on during the making of the album, it's quite possible the friction within the band has taken another step.

All eyes currently turn on to the Dec 12th show at the Universal Amphitheatre, CA. There's a show that's been moved on twice in order to accomodate VR's appearance at KROQ Inland Invasion. A cancellation would be a telling sign and quite irritating for the people who'd been looking forward to see the band already in mid-September.

The band may do the New Year's Eve gig in New York, but there's a good chance it'll be the last time we'll ever see them onstage.

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My condolences to Monkeychow. Cancellations suck.

#759 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy With Patti Hood....? » 916 weeks ago

Jameslofton wrote:

So that dates the session around late 2004, early 2005. With the song dating back to 1992 and still being worked on that recently, I guess it does have a shot at making the album.

Despite I may sound pedantic, we're in November '07. Two and a half years take us back to around mid-2005. But yeah, This I Love is certainly back in the game.

Imagine that. A song first written in '93, during the UYI tour, had a harp added into it twelve years later. Really reminds one what a mind-boggling process this has been.

#760 Re: Guns N' Roses » GUNS N' ROSES N' Promises: Is 'Chinese Democracy' Ever Coming Out? » 916 weeks ago

Jameslofton wrote:

You know, this type of thing just doesn't excite me anymore. We heard virtually the same thing in 2002 from Axl's mouth. Not about Christmas, but how far along they were in the records completion.

I know, and the very same thing crossed my mind. Axl specifically said they had a tracklist and even the cover art ready - which leads one to wonder why on earth the album wasn't released back then if they were so far in the process.

In any case, all these little snippets do lend credibility to the claim that the album is (again) near completion, and that it's Axl's wranglings with the label that's currently holding it up. It's not worth to get excited though, as anyone who thinks all Axl had to do was to finish up his album forgets all the behind-the-scenes shenanigans that've went down in the past years. A label doesn't cut funding unless they're drastically displeased with the progress the band had been making up to that point, and they certainly won't release the album until Axl's willing to get into the same room with them again and hash out all that's been said and done.

If so, I wouldn't think the silence to be unfounded at the moment. If Axl is truly negotiating with the label right now, speaking aloud on CD would be the worst thing to do, as it could compromise his position and whatever claims he might have on Universal. After 14 years and almost any many millions of dollars, he barely has a foothold there as it is.

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