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#641 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 275 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:misterID wrote:I agree, but people need the gumption to get the ID. There are already organizations and places to help people get their ID. I think, and this is just my opinion, but if you're not motivated to go get an ID you're most likely not going to vote anyway.
If you don’t have an id, you probably not informed enough to vote anyway. This is such a stupid talking point.
What IDs are available in America? Anything beyond Drivers License or Passport?
Those are the main two as a far as I know...you can get just a government issued ID that looks like a driver's license but isn't. I don't know many people who have both a DL and a government issued ID bc they're basically the same thing.
#642 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 275 weeks ago
misterID wrote:mitchejw wrote:I’d agree with you if you’d simply acknowledge our election participation rates are shit.
I see this for what it is…widling away our electorate with a clear goal in mind. Let’s do voter ID….cool…but you better make sure everyone who deserves one has one.
You’d have near 100% support if you did that.
That’s how i know this is partisan….
I agree, but people need the gumption to get the ID. There are already organizations and places to help people get their ID. I think, and this is just my opinion, but if you're not motivated to go get an ID you're most likely not going to vote anyway.
If you don’t have an id, you probably not informed enough to vote anyway. This is such a stupid talking point.
Yep...there are certain people who don't deserve to vote.....despite their legal right to do so...
#643 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 275 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:misterID wrote:I don't think there was any significant fraud, but all cable networks and radio stations use that as a legal defense. You just don't hear about it when they're sued. Maddow and Lawrence got busted in a lot of lies during the Trump years. It's basically, they're not journalists, but entertainers and aren't meant to be taken seriously. The fact Joy Reid has a job is mind boggling.
I think voter fraud has the ability to sway a local election, though. And voter suppression is the left's voter fraud conspiracy. Neither are significant in any way.
Well if it’s not significant then why all the new laws addressing it?
Because this has been an issue for years. I don't see anything wrong with proving who you are to vote. And as I said, fraud could be significant in local elections.
I’d agree with you if you’d simply acknowledge our election participation rates are shit.
I see this for what it is…widling away our electorate with a clear goal in mind. Let’s do voter ID….cool…but you better make sure everyone who deserves one has one.
You’d have near 100% support if you did that.
That’s how i know this is partisan….
#644 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 275 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:misterID wrote:I don't think there was any significant fraud, but all cable networks and radio stations use that as a legal defense. You just don't hear about it when they're sued. Maddow and Lawrence got busted in a lot of lies during the Trump years. It's basically, they're not journalists, but entertainers and aren't meant to be taken seriously. The fact Joy Reid has a job is mind boggling.
I think voter fraud has the ability to sway a local election, though. And voter suppression is the left's voter fraud conspiracy. Neither are significant in any way.
Well if it’s not significant then why all the new laws addressing it?
Because dip shit each vote is a sacred thing and should be treated as such. Plus a few hundred here and there across a whole state CAN change an election
Uh huh? So why not address the voter fraud in Trumps favor?
#645 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 275 weeks ago
slashsfro wrote:LOL, cmon man you're smarter than this to fall for Tucker's BS. The Republican Secretary of State has certified the results multiple times and they have people on the ground to count, etc. And they are whole lot more reliable than Tucker Carlson.
For those who don't know, Carlson got sued (technically FNC) and their defense was he more or less makes up shit.
I don't think there was any significant fraud, but all cable networks and radio stations use that as a legal defense. You just don't hear about it when they're sued. Maddow and Lawrence got busted in a lot of lies during the Trump years. It's basically, they're not journalists, but entertainers and aren't meant to be taken seriously. The fact Joy Reid has a job is mind boggling.
I think voter fraud has the ability to sway a local election, though. And voter suppression is the left's voter fraud conspiracy. Neither are significant in any way.
Well if it’s not significant then why all the new laws addressing it?
#646 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 275 weeks ago
slashsfro wrote:LOL, cmon man you're smarter than this to fall for Tucker's BS. The Republican Secretary of State has certified the results multiple times and they have people on the ground to count, etc. And they are whole lot more reliable than Tucker Carlson.
For those who don't know, Carlson got sued (technically FNC) and their defense was he more or less makes up shit.
A judge just said the same thing about Rachel Maddow. But I don’t think the Secretary of State disputes these findings and he also happens to support the new voting laws. Also the recounts just simply recounted the same duplicate ballots anyway though they claim they didn’t. There were shenanigans going on. Was it enough to give trump a victory? Who knows. But none of this shit is acceptable
There are numerous examples of voter fraud in Trumps favor across the country…why don’t you address those first?
#647 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 275 weeks ago
Exactly the response I expected Flagg...pivot...turn...exit...
#648 Re: Guns N' Roses » WTF happened to…Catcher in the Rye » 275 weeks ago
Easily one of, if not the biggest abominations on the album. After desperately waiting for a proper version to compare to the original cassette leak, it was just gross.
This coming from someone who doesn’t necessarily mind Ron’s solo, maybe because I never found May’s that compelling.
Again, I thought the original Catcher demo had something...something that we widdle away by the time the final album version came to be...
What a compelling thing to write a song about. What an interesting idea...but it led to nothing.
Maybe Brian May's solo stands out because his replacement basically tried fit 500,000 notes into a solo.
#649 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 275 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:You can't commit to making obtaining these voter IDs easy. You're not in favor of making election days holidays so everyone can participate. You seem totally fine with the paltry participation in these elections already...
Can you cite a single time I've said any of that? I've asked you before not to conjure arguments on my behalf. I'm going to do so again. If you can't abide by that simple request, then there's no point in replying to anything you say. You came here to bitch about Fox News, claiming they're spreading fear, while the President of the United States is comparing voter ID laws to Jim Crow on Steroids (in case you forgot, Jim Crow was the democratic laws passed in the American South that treated non-whites as 2nd class citizens and held them to different legal standards and denied them access to public places.) He then doubled down and compared it to the Civil War, where 800k+ people died and blacks were considered property. And you're worried about some pundit on Fox News. Which comments are more hyperbolic and who carries more authority?
I see...so you don't address my OP. You change the topic. You bash the president over his statement regarding voting.
Is this what you want me to respond to? You didn't acknowledge anything I said and rarely do...you immediately changed the topic either to be cheeky or just bash me.
If you insist on not giving a shit about who gets to vote and who doesn't (likely bc you know you will vote)...then there really isn't anything to discuss here. You can go on living the dream about this being greatest country with the greatest democracy with a national election participation rate that rarely goes above 50%.
Is it fair to assume that you don't care about participation rates? Is it fair to assume that you don't care that so few people vote in this country? Is it fair to assume that you easily cherry pick the issue of 'voter id'?
You tell me...because you changed the topic.
Roughly 80-85% of the states with the highest turnout vote Democrat. Is it just a coincidence? Go through the top 25 states of highest voter participation you tell me. Is it safe to assume that you don't believe voters in these states vote legally? Are you questioning the validity of these voters? You tell me. I have to assume all the time with you.
#650 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 275 weeks ago
I have no idea what happened in Wisconsin last year, but I'm going to take your version of events with a grain of salt. If you're going to chime in with all the free time you have to talk about fear mongering, you at least have to recognize that the US President calling voter ID laws in 2021 "Jim Crow on Steroids" or "The greatest threat to our democracy since the Civil War" carries a little more weight than some pundit on a new channel at noon. If you don't, or refuse to, don't be surprised when no one agrees with your lopsided rhetoric.
See...that's the problem...you agree with the rules apparently but don't care or know how they're unevenly applied and it's obvious to me what the intent of these laws really are....
Republicans don't have the raw numbers so they have to create rules to widdle away selectively at certain voters. Inner city voters, poor voters...that's who these voting laws rules target. It's all under the guise of....'oh gee...see how simple and fair a voter ID is...'
The same people who advocate these voting rules are the same ones purging 100s of thousands of voters off of voting rolls right before every election.
What you always fail to mention is that all these 'other democracies' make this process easy on people and if they insist on voter ID they make sure you get one. They don't put up barriers like closing DMVs while simultaneously making it more difficult to vote.
You can't commit to making obtaining these voter IDs easy. You're not in favor of making election days holidays so everyone can participate. You seem totally fine with the paltry participation in these elections already...
but see how reasonable you are...voter ID is just sooo reasonable....
