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#631 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 221 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
misterID wrote:

That's not what I said, and if you actually read what we were discussing you'd know that. TV reflects the framing of the people who produce it. Neither the media or social media are real life.

The media has been bleeding viewership. CNN lost 1 million viewers in a month. You like it because it's progressively run, there's no mirror being held up, it's all lobbying groups and talking heads who live in an echo chamber and a political bubble with books to sell. They make money from the small minority of people who can't think for themselves, left and right. I pay attention because it's important, but I hold it in the proper context.

I mean, if you don't have the self awareness to understand what you actually said in this post, then bud, you are the perfect media mark/sheep/sucker consumer.

Why do you think i watch CNN? Except for Anderson Cooper i couldn’t name a single person on there. I know nothing of what CNN does and i don’t care....just like FB and Twitter, i found out that the news makes me sick to my stomach. I don’t do things that make me physically ill.

Even if i wanted to, i don’t have time to spend hours per day watching cable news networks.

Dude, I didn't accuse you of watching CNN, I used it as an example that the media is losing money, a direct response to this from you: "I love the media. They’re making tons of money. And everyone is consuming the media product more than any other time in history right now."

You love the media, you love they're making money, they tell the truth. Now the media makes you sick, you don't watch it. Okay. Your bullshit is something else.

When did i say i love the media? I love the hypocrisy that it’s pulling out of people. ‘The media is bad but i consume it everyday by choice’ is the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever heard.

#632 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 221 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

That's not what I said, and if you actually read what we were discussing you'd know that. TV reflects the framing of the people who produce it. Neither the media or social media are real life.

The media has been bleeding viewership. CNN lost 1 million viewers in a month. You like it because it's progressively run, there's no mirror being held up, it's all lobbying groups and talking heads who live in an echo chamber and a political bubble with books to sell. They make money from the small minority of people who can't think for themselves, left and right. I pay attention because it's important, but I hold it in the proper context.

I mean, if you don't have the self awareness to understand what you actually said in this post, then bud, you are the perfect media mark/sheep/sucker consumer.

Why do you think i watch CNN? Except for Anderson Cooper i couldn’t name a single person on there. I know nothing of what CNN does and i don’t care....just like FB and Twitter, i found out that the news makes me sick to my stomach. I don’t do things that make me physically ill.

Even if i wanted to, i don’t have time to spend hours per day watching cable news networks.

#633 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 221 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
misterID wrote:

I would disagree in this sense, the country is not the country portrayed in the media. And social media isn't representative of the country. Honestly, I would say 98% of the people I come across and interact with on a daily basis treats everyone respectfully, no matter race, etc. I think politics makes people stupid, and the media is fake, partisan and exploitative.

More media bad...people i know good talk i see...

Yeah, pretty much. Thanks for the contribution, mitch.

Because this stuff doesn’t happen to me or anyone I know directly that means it doesn’t exist in the media is bad.

I love the media. They’re making tons of money. And everyone is consuming the media product more than any other time in history right now. What they don’t like is that the media is just a mirror and what they don’t like is their reflection.

You can deal with this is one of two general ways. 1) you can stick your head in the sand and blame the bug bad media that you willfully consume or 2) you can accept that what you see in the mirror is actually you

#634 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 221 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I would disagree in this sense, the country is not the country portrayed in the media. And social media isn't representative of the country. Honestly, I would say 98% of the people I come across and interact with on a daily basis treats everyone respectfully, no matter race, etc. I think politics makes people stupid, and the media is fake, partisan and exploitative.

More media bad...people i know good talk i see...

#635 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 221 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I'm pretty sure she was making some of the girls sleep with her also, on top of taking most of their money. There's a Moolah Dark Side of the Ring episode, too. I haven't seen it yet.

I have Dynamite on my dvr, I might watch it tonight. If you can get A&Es Warrior bio, watch it with dark side's episode.

A funny/creepy thing with Hogan and Piper. A couple days after Piper died, Hogan gets a message from Roddy's phone saying that he had a voicemail. He played it and Roddy said he just wanted him to know he loved him and he was walking with Jesus. Hulk said that totally messed with his head. It was most likely just one of those weird things where a message takes a long time to show up, but just creepy stuff.

Something similar happened with Bruce Prichard...I may have posted this before so forgive me...

It's 12 minutes long but it's worth it...

#636 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 221 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I think Jake got the title run wrong, the warrior didn't have then. The fact they didn't put Warrior in a true with Savage and Jake during his title run was a huge mistake. I mean, they could have built Demolition Crush as an anti Warrior. There were some missed opportunities during that period.

There sure was some missed opportunities. But I kind of chalk it up to how deep the talent roster was back then and the what ifs just seem endless. WCW went a long way by having some of the dream matches and pouncing on some of those missed opportunities and I think it was just as important as the NWO with regard to its success.

Roddy beating hogan for the title was one thing I thought WCW did well. Hogan legit put over Roddy for what I assume to be a nod of the cap to Roddy for what he did for Hulk at the first two wrestlemanias. They also had the legit Ric Flair/Hogan fued that should've happened in WWF in 1992.

Interesting story about Jake...I think they did have bigger plans for him in the early 90s but he abruptly quit. Do you know why? He was promised a job on the booking team which would've added to his pay. Pat Patterson was planning to retire. Obviously that didn't happen and Pat kept the spot. Jake was so pissed about it he left at the height of his popularity. He later got that job in 1996 (didn't replace Pat obviously) when he came back all out of shape as an in ring performer. He very quickly learned he didn't like it or could no longer perform due to his personal problems and only had the job a few months before quitting/being let go.

#637 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 221 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

The grizzly Smith episode probably deserved to be longer with all the different people involved. You didn't hear about the second sister until they brought up her kidnapping. As bad as it was, I actually thought it would be worse. I mean, grizzly having eight-year-old girlfriends at 50 is pretty terrible. Robin really didn't get too into the details about her abuse, which is understandable, but I'd like to know more of what her life was like after wrestling.

Grizzly Smith is a super interesting story but we're talking about a guy who was in his prime 40-50 years ago. If nothing else it should give you fantastic insight into how carny it really was back then. Quite frankly, I find the shit that happened in that era way more interesting than the highly polished corporate wrestling they put out now.

I believe the fabulous moolah and a few of those old school women wrestlers who were on top allegedly ran a prostitution ring of some sort of the side. They'd bring women on the road with them and whore them our to the male wrestlers on a regular basis. Now that's something I'd like to hear more about.

#638 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 222 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

Now that SCOTUS has kept the ACA intact and 2 of Trump’s appointees to include ACB sided with the 7-2 majority, are we going to hold those who screamed Armageddon accountable?  Or is such hyperbole and hysterics par for the course?

How does one interpret this in any other way than the way Trump and other Republicans presented this?

They put 3 justices on the court in 4 years and among many other things, claimed they'd be able to overturn the ACA. This was their stated purpose, was it not?

#639 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 222 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Great points, flagg.

lol great contribution ID...

#640 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 222 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

Are all these Trumpists who are unseating 'centrists' heroes too?

Not in my opinion. Was AOC a hero when she ousted the 2nd most powerful Democrat in DC?  I hold Greene with the same regard I do Omar. Both are fucking morons who peddle dangerous conspiracies and are exposed frauds.

I don’t understand your opposition to leaders that find common ground and legislate real change, rather than those who pontificate and accomplish nothing. 

The reality is both of the bills Democrats have actually put forward and voted on are several years old bills they wrote in fantasy land. Republicans do it too, and the house has embodied this nuttiness since at least 2004, if not earlier. It’s really easy to pass a law you know has no chance of passing to drum up support. Republicans did this nonstop in the house from 2010-2016, repeatedly passing ACA repeals they knew had no chance in the Senate. Both voting rights bills are similar examples, but now they’re fucked cause they know it would be political suicide to ram through (this is what Manchin recognizes) and result in them not only decisively losing both chambers next year, but may cost Biden any chance in 24. To say nothing of the very real possibilities that many of their clauses would be struck down by SCOTUS. That’s the political calculus Schumer, Pelosi and Biden are considering. They’re not idiots.

The House infrastructure bill is the same way. It was passed as a political statement, and few who’ve actually read it can argue it’s economically plausible. If you haven’t noticed, the past two presidential elections have been decided on hate rather than support. I’m hoping both sides recognize the value in not demonizing each other and validating the hyperbole each accuses the other of. If you don’t piss people off, they’re less likely to show up to vote you out.

I really don't know how you can say some of this stuff and still have voted for Trump...

Also, I thought, according to your political calculus,  it was a foregone conclusion that they lose at least one, if not both the chambers no matter what they do...is it not?

When McConnell goes out of his way to make statements about no approving a supreme court nominee by Biden in 2024 when 2021 isn't even over...the games that are being played don't tell me that the Dems should be playing the long game on any of this...

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