johndivney wrote:

tejastech08 wrote:

He did not write the main riffs on songs like Jungle, Child, or Paradise City. These particular songs were written based on Slash's riffs. It's revisionist history to say Izzy came up with those big guns that the general public most associates with this band. Axl is most responsible for the lyrics and vocal melodies of those songs. The band would be a little cult band if Sweet Child didn't blow up the way it did.

When did we start keeping score by the hits, or what the general public most associates with? Not getting at you tejastech, I've seen other people say this as well. It's just, we're here because we love all the records and songs & know the value of them. So when you're saying that PC is more valuable than say Coma, well that doesn't really cut it in these parts: it's the tunes that matter, not the amount of cash the song makes.

Look at it this way, would you be a fan if there had been only Jungle, SCOM & PC on AFD? There must be more to it than that to have kept you a fan for fuckin however many number of years? Izzy's contributions must've played some part in that.

There'd have been absolutely nothing wrong had they just been a cult band. We'd still have had the tunes, that's all that matters.

Because that is ultimately what is driving this stadium tour. I love Izzy's contributions. But I'm not Joe Schmoe casual fan buying a ticket to the stadium tour. Those fuckers pay to see the really big hits. This all started with someone claiming Izzy was THE principal songwriter. I straight up disagree with that notion. He is a damn good songwriter and he played an important role in the band, but I don't believe there was a single principal songwriter. This wasn't Motley Crue. It was a group of talented songwriters.

It was absolutely about money from Day 1. Go look at the history of the Sunset Strip. All 5 guys jumped around to a bunch of different bands trying to find one that could be financially successful.

monkeychow wrote:

I don't see it as any less honourable than any other profession. Lets face it almost all employment is about doing things for money.

Sure, someone having sex with you out of love is a wonderful thing, but that doesn't mean there's any real harm in someone else doing it for a job.

Just like if my wife bakes me a cake out of love it's a wonderful thing, but that doesn't make bakers who make cakes for people bad people.

The big thing here is sugar babies, especially in college towns. College girls will be the "girlfriend" of men, Sugar Daddies, who put them on an allowance and/or help them pay for college. This would have been Bill Clinton's answer to bringing down college debt.