misterID wrote:

Randall Flagg wrote:

So we have to prove her mishandling of classified information resulted in harm?  I guess as long as i  don't plow into anyone, I can drive drunk.

This is what I did for 7 years - protect classified information. The opinion of some journalist trying to defend Clinton is meaningless to me. There is no such thing as incorrectly classified. If it originates on a secure system, it's classified until the originating authority declassifies it under protocol.

She encouraged her employees to scrub markings and send classified information over an unsecure, unclassified network. End of discussion.

If you want to ignore it or have wave it, just say you don't care. Don't try to pretend she didn't violate the law.

Those were not democratic leaning sites. No one was protecting her, it was fact checking, and it is very telling that you took that position when presented with the facts. And now you want to dismiss human error misclassifying articles as confidential, while others were retroactively classified. Okay... And its pretty disingenuous of you to ignore an independent journalist, while at the same time only listening to journalists who want to attack and destroy her. That's very hypocritical.

No, I'm saying my opinion is more valid on this very unique subject than a journalist who spent a week writing an article.  Hillary was sure to yuck it up and toss plenty of misinformation into the public discourse.  Nothing was retroactively classified.  That's now how classification works.  I know this because I have an intimate and personal relationship with this very unique situation.  Information is deemed classified if it originates on a classified system (all the drone images her aides shared is de facto classified because all drone systems operate on a classified network).  Information is also automatically classified when you combine several key facts into one document.  Saying I'm going to Afghanistan is fine.  Saying I'm going to Afghanistan at 1300 tomorrow on flight 4576 departing LAX and Landing in Kandahar at 1430 local time is classified. 

There isn't some magic button that makes something classified.  There's not a man in a suit in a backroom with a stamp that marks things Secret or Top Secret.  That's now how information classification works.  Clinton knowingly had aides take classified information, remove their "Secret" markers, and send them to her.  That is a crime.  That she turned over information to her lawyer (to protect her) who lacks a clearance, where said information had classified material is against the law.

That our standards of what is classified are too stringent or that something didn't have a big red mark on it at the time is not part of the discussion.  If you knew how our classification system works, you'd know this, but instead you read articles by someone who doesn't even know what color cable a Secret network runs on (may seem trivial to you, but huge deal in the government) and allows Clintons lies and distortions to affect your article. 

I have no reason to continue discussing this point with you, other than to show you that maybe there are people out there more informed than you are.  Clinton broke the law.  The FBI said she acted recklessly and mishandled classified information.   Any citizen would be charged for that.  Clinton is able to walk around and continue to lie.  Feel free to lookup the fact checkers and how they rate Clinton on this issue.

But it's done and over with.  She won't be charged and nothing will change that.  Feel free to think she did nothing wrong and it was all a conspiracy, or recognize she broke the law and there are 21 year old kids whose name isn't Clinton doing hard time for mishandling information in the same manner she did.  I know, cause I helped send them there.

It's over. When a candidate is already speaking in such terms, they're not even trying to win but instead wanting to just hurry up and lose.

Donald Trump told CNBC on Thursday he will either win with his frank and uncensored style of campaigning or
enjoy a "very, very nice long vacation."

Republicans have long hoped Trump will pivot on his behavior, but in the "Squawk Box" interview, he said:

"I'm a truth teller. All I do is tell the truth. And if at the end of 90 days, I've fallen short because I'm somewhat
politically correct even though I'm supposed to be the smart one and even though I'm supposed to have a lot of
good ideas, it's OK. I go back to a very good way of life."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/11/gop-pres … trump.html

Today's gaffe was claiming Obama is the founder of ISIS.

What's tomorrow's gaffe? Claiming Hillary was the second gunman on the grassy knoll?'

He's intentionally tanking the election.

Good album for it`s time but overrated as shit Nighrain, Brownstone, SCOM and RQ are songs I would call " great", Jungle, Easy and PC are catchy, the rest ranges from mediocre to completely forgettable.

misterID wrote:

monkeychow wrote:

I think the thing that offended people wasn't that she was a white woman who felt sorry for a black person

It was that the same message also included a photography of her drinking wine, in a sexy bikini, on a yacht in the ocean.

So it's like in the same message where she purports to feel for others she couldn't resist a chance to  demonstrate  visually how much wealth and sex appeal she has!

Imagine if you posted a bereavement card to me to sympathise about my dead relative but included a shot of you flexing your new gym muscles kicking back in your ferrari. What is out of touch was the social appropriateness of instragram-style self promotion during a social/political uproar.

That's a dumb reason for people to be offended and a big reason social media is the septic tank of humanity, meant for sanctimonious, asshat losers who feel they have a level of power at their slimy little fingertips. They're upset over the "context" of a fucking actresses tweet? Jesus H. Christ.

Justin Timberlake was even more disgusting. Jesse Williams went on an anti white racist rant (yes, racist, his poor mother), basically calling us all evil whitey assholes. I do wonder about his feelings on Jews...Justin actually applauded his speech, a big mistake for a myriad of reasons, and he was attacked by vapid, wannabe activists for ripping off black artists. So...what music are we allowed to like, to be inspired by and to perform? Fuck them in their fake ass, no talent, no contribution to soceity or their race, self absorbed selves. Fuck them in the ear. They have no fucking problem taking all that money from white kids, do they?

Yeah its like monkey and all the others outraged expected her to pour out her champagne, pour herself a cup of milk, put some pants on, and head back to shore to tweet her opinions on that tragedy.

All she did was speak her mind on the subject....where she is at while doing it is irrelevant. When black actors/singers were outraged by that shooting and commented, did they go to some dark alley in Compton to tweet their thoughts? No, they did it from their mansions and most of them have a shit load more money than Mischa.

Cramer wrote:

Neither one of you are paying attention to what is happening right now. This is not about the DNC. This is not about what the Khans may or may no believe about gay marriage. This is not about the NFL publicly stating that Trump is lying again. This is not about the GOP primaries (which polling showed conclusively that he would win btw.)

This is about Trump's campaign starting to fall apart. Trump's demagoguery is finally coming back to bite him on the ass. Prominent Republicans are beginning to endorse Hillary Clinton. They're calling Trump out for his dangerous rhetoric and will do anything they can to stop him. A new poll (from an A rated polling group) from Georgia...GEORGIA has him in a dead heat with Hillary. Trump's GOP convention made him less likable in the eyes of Americans. On and on...you're welcome to pivot to something else, but you'd only be shielding yourselves from the truth.

The true battleground states have it dead even or a point or two.  He was actually ahead in Florida the last poll I saw.  All your ranting and you haven't once explained why Hillary is a better candidate or excuse all of her lies and anti-progressive positions.  Obama's brother is voting for Trump.  Does that mean anything?  FUCK NO IT DOESN'T.  I don't care what some no name congressman from nowhere, USA is supporting.  You're trying to pretend like there's some GOP exodus for Clinton, yet how many people that voted for Obama in 08 and 12 are now going for Trump.  You ignore that aspect and think because some actor or no name congressmen endorsed Clinton, it has some meaning.  Who are these "prominent" Republicans.  Did you even know who they were before MSNBC or Huff Po ran an article?

I'm not backing Trump.  I've said that 100 times here and on your forum.  But this hypocrisy you and others have when it comes to the history of lies with Clinton and all of her deception, yet all you want to focus on is the dumb shit Trump says.

Fuck Kahn.  He sacrificed shit for his country and his sons actions reflect on him no more than his father's actions reflect on him.  You guys want to prance out victims to silence any discussion on issues because you know immigration is a loser.  You're scared to death that when Hillary is forced to face her comments and actions, she won't be able to run backstage and converse with her advisers.  Maybe she can just decline to answer every question she doesn't like.

Have a fucking backbone.  Either admit you give a fuck about transparency and electing a competent person who isn't the definition of corruption, or back Jill Stein or some other 3rd party candidate.  Your constant attacks on Trump while a refusal to acknowledge any of the numerous faults of Clinton is telling.  You're a cheerleader and Clinton could advocate 18th trimester abortions and you'd still support her.