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#4831 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 471 weeks ago
BIggest loser? He's going to rake in tons of money after the election even if he did lose in a Reagan-Mondale landslide. His speaking appearance fees will be astronomical and he will likely do what Palin did but magnify it x10000000.
I said this since the beginning.....love or hate the guy....its historic. He has proven that the absolute unthinkable can happen in the most powerful country on earth.....an outsider can come in and shake the entire system up and potentially bring it to its knees. He was just the wrong outsider.
The precedent has been set.
In 4-8 years when not a damn thing has changed, the real outsider is going to enter the world stage. When he comes, look out because that one is going to be unstoppable and the partisan bickering aint going to stop him....it will fuel his victory. There may not even be much bickering.....he may get all the votes.
Why would people pay for hear him speak at such an astronomical fee? He's the loser.
#4832 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 471 weeks ago
James, PaSnow....others....
If you learn conservative, and you truly believe Trump has lost....I would have to turn to outrage if I were you.
There is no excuse for Trump to have 1 office in Florida while Clinton has 50+. There is literally no excuse. This is a state that is won by a few thousand votes some times. He wasted a lot of time, money and resources. He wasted an election cycle. Now Republicans might be asking, "how bad is the damage going to be." In other words, who else is Trump going to cost during this election cycle? Democrats have the inside track to take back the Senate. It's not a sure thing by any means...but Trump is helping the cause.
We actually had conservative candidates that could beat Hillary. John Kasich being one of them. He would have taken Ohio almost surely which is a big prize in the electoral college.
Donald Trump is a grade A moron. He has massive debt, and he treats other people like garbage. I heard his hotel and casino business were down 15-30% depending on location. He's kicking his own ass. What happens after the election? He will be the biggest loser of them all on a very, very big stage. How does that hurt hist brand? I had never though much about Donald Trump until the last 2 years. He slipped under my radar and I always thought there was a mystique to the man. I always assumed, without looking into it, that he was a very smart, very successful person. This election cycle exposed a lot of things to the contrary. Granted, some of it was staged and embellished to appeal to his base, but those things are reality now. He cannot take them back.
The thing is his...he's so full of ego and bluster that he will never admit to one mistake. I doubt we will ever know how he truly, personally feels. I just can't even speculate what will happen him after the election. Trump will never be the same again.
#4833 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Izzy Stradlin MTV News segment(1992) » 471 weeks ago
I never understood what was so cool or special about Izzy. He threw away a band which he co-founded for bullshit trivial reasons. You don`t throw away something you helped to create, you just don`t, no matter what.
You could really say this about any of them....honestly...
#4834 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 471 weeks ago
Wtf is wrong with being called an escort? I visit escorts regularly & they're good people.. Don't get what the big deal is personally.. Mind you, having an ex-hooker as First Lady I suppose might upset some religious nut jobs.. funny tho.
I guess?!?! I suppose the good thing is that the US will be exposed for the white trash hillbillies that we are...
I don't consider prostitution an honorable profession. I do not think I should have to explain why. I would not take away anyone's right to do whatever he/she wanted for a living...but I do get to judge it.
#4835 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 471 weeks ago
Trump is pulling a comeback. It's on.
No...I don't think so...I think nearly everyone made up their minds months ago...
#4836 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 472 weeks ago
Cramer wrote:misterID wrote:If he can completely change here and hurt his base support, he can really get away with murder, and people are going to have to take a whole other lokat his appeal. Maybe that's a good thing. His outreach to the black community has been a disaster, IMO. Why isn't he speaking to black groups and leaders?
He's reaching out to rooms full of white people in regards to the black community. I'm sure it makes perfect sense to him.
So the other candidate who hasn't done an interview in 7 months because every word is scripted and controlled is both more believable and desirable than the candidate willing to go on every network and talk off the cuff?
What policies does the DNC offer that have improved the quality of black Americans? Sure the DNC caters to Latinos with its absurd immigration policy. But that same policy is what brings in a similar socioeconomic class that directly competes with the targeted black demographic for jobs and housing. Please excuse me if I don't continue the false narrative that all Mexicans pick lettuce in the fields. Not much farmable land in Southern California, New Mexico, Arizona and Southern Texas - the area most Hispanics live in, legal and illegal. What rational person argues America should have an open border and once you touch US soil, you're clear to stay? In what reality is that policy sustainable? So who's offering real solutions and who's offering fantasy?
Free college to everyone? You believe that? With unregulated universities being allowed to continue raising tuition astronomically and many times the rate of inflation, sending every American student to college is an incredible deficit. It would only be paid for by a massive tax hike, something not accomplished without taxing the middle class. And the middle class isn't going to agree to that if every 18 year old dipshit can go to university to study The Effects of THC on The Young Mind for a year before failing or dropping out. Clinton neglects all the details of her proposal and relies on the fantasy. The hacked emails fucking showed the gameplay to keep her supporters ignorant of the details.
Anyone who thinks proposals like these are remotely possible are either uninformed or desire a fundamental change in our economic and government systems that they're not willing to be forthright with.
Trump may be a blowhard and a moron at times, but at least he's offering real solutions to the problems most Americans care about rather than only offer fantasy and imagined problems.
Do you know why? Hillary doesn't do any interviews because she doesn't have to.
That's how garbage Donald is as a candidate.
Hillary is kneeling the ball in the third quarter.
#4837 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 472 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:I do not believe it's any coincidence that he represents low-income, low-education whites. To me, as a white man, I see this group of white people as ignorant, bigoted and hateful as anyone. Even if your ancestors were here 200 years ago, what does that have to do with you 7 generations down the line?
I have the answer for you....it doesn't. You've done nothing but rest on your laurels and expect things to work out.
I agree with everything thou said except this part, and I thing it's a pretty big deal as it's a big part of the problem. This group, if you actually know them, are natural democrats. They do care about the enviorment, they do see how the rich rules and shits on the working class. They do know how hard hard Mexicans work, they actually do have black friends... In their personal lives, where they live and interact with. But once you get into a generalized vbiew, especially with politics!, theryre totally different people: the EPA s evil and s trying to destroy America, Mexicans are going to murder us and force us to speak Spanish, blacks are lazy and the government is going to steal our jobs and ghive it tyo them. They want all white men to be poor and emasculated and serve minorities, and we have to protect the rich who make our way of life possible.
One of the reasons theory think that is because of liberals. Read any liberal blog and see how they speak about whites. It is racists. There is real ugly resentment. And theory are made out to be villains. On the opposite side, not only do conservatives stroke these fires, they treat them with a measure of (fake) respect, like they actually are sticking up for them, that they're on their side. They're fighting for them. That produces loyalty, even blind loyalty, even if personally you have different beliefs. And yes, political correctness is seen as a weapon against whites, and in a lot of ways, it is. Its censorship through morality, no different tan the right wing did with the christian coalition.
Liberals need to tell these whites they are on their side too. The blue collar white guy with just a high school diploma, they know the world is changing, there way of life is ending, you need that college degree, they're worried about losing their jobs, they're worried about outsourcing, they're worked about their kids future, knowing theory can't afford college, and if they can scrape it together, they could lose a spot to affirmative action, which is another thing that's manipulated. They are stressed and worried. It has jack shit to do with race, that's an easy thing to grasp onto and transfer that anger towards. There are more poor whites than all pod minorities combined. Not all have the best schools? Not all have opportunity. There's a large swath of whites where white privlagge does not apply.
Liberals don't see that. Whiteness and white privlage are easy things to say and believe, but nothing is easy. We need to start trying tyo really reach these people instead of lazy name calling and villainizing. Why do you think Trump is popular with them? Because he's telling them they won't be left behind. Their fears are valid. They are not the bad guys. He wil stick up for them. Liberals do not... The closest, in all honesty, was Bernie.
Plus, we're dealing with 200 years of brain washing of blue collar whites by the rich and establishment to keep their focus off the real culprits who are birthing them.
Ok ok....maybe I need to scale back on that comment.
I actually voted for Bernie in the primary....but I digress....
I don't believe that Trump means anything he says. He's just harnessing an energy.
People have a right to be afraid and look for a hero. But not him. While Trump stoops for the supposed little guy....he is exactly part of the problem. He's a birthed who inherited his wealth from a criminal.
How could one be so deluded as to fall for it?
As far as white privilege goes....that's totally bunk. We've been divided bsy race when it's really socioeconomic that should unite us.
#4838 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 472 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:So it's cool she is appealing to black nationalist? Why else would she trot out Michael Brown's mother during the convention? Is it cool she had the father of the Orlando Shooter front and center at her rally in Florida? Trump has to disavow comments from David Duke whom he's never met nor supported, yet Hillary can bring out the mother of an attempted cop killer and the father of the guy who killed 50 gay people (while personally saying Allah will handle the gays). What kind of fucked up world do we live in where people see Clinton as the candidate of sanity and inclusiveness.
Michael Brown's mother is connected to black nationalists? Those mothers wanted to speak with both candidates, guess who did and who didn't? And the deal about her supporting the terrorist father is absolutely pathetic. I'm not mentioning Trump getting support/money/advice from the old Florida senator who was kicked out of office for sexually harrassing and trying to pressure his young male pages into letting him fuck them. Is Trump trying to appeal to the gay pedophile demographic? That's fucking stupid. Trump is still using white supremacist quotes in his ads. And I'm not big on liberals, but mentioning Robert Byrd is scraping the bottom of the fuckin barrel, so if that's all you got...hilarious. Who's getting the white supremacist support? Show me where Hillary is being endorsed by black nationalists.
Have you not been listening to what #BLM has been saying the past 2-3 years? These people are openly racist and uninformed. Chants of "Black Power" is the very definition of black nationalism. Why would you bring the mother of an attempted cop killer who's death was used to justify violence and protests? She's not apologizing for what her son did, she's trying to use her son as a symbol of brutality when the only openly violent person was her son - the guy who strong armed a clerk minutes before he assaulted a cop and tried to remove his gun only to charge at the cop seconds later. These aren't people who should be part of any intelligent discussion. I'm sure Charles Manson wants an audience with Clinton too, but I don't recommend she bring him up on stage at national convention.
And you really want to bring up inappropriate sexual advances? Think on that. How many women have accused Bill Clinton of rape? There was that big thing with Amy Schumer last week cause one of her writers advocated we should have all the facts before we convict someone of rape, and he was berated as a rape apologist. Hillary mocked all of Bill's accusers and her hollywood friends remain mum.
"Black Power" could mean a lot of things. There is a difference between self-empowerment and power at the expense of anyone else. I never took that as a threat to me and my whiteness. I've grown wary of all these details and hair splitting.
I'm not going to convince you and you're not going to convince me. The only difference I see between Johnson and Trump is that Johnson is a much more likeable person. They're pretty much proponents of the same economic philosophies. Socially, Johnson feels government should stay out of social issues. Fine....that doesn't really solve anything though.
The problems with conservatives will always be that they spend so much time trying to decide who gets to be included in society and who does not. From my perspective, that's what I see. I'm talking about the modern day Republican. I do not believe it's any coincidence that he represents low-income, low-education whites. To me, as a white man, I see this group of white people as ignorant, bigoted and hateful as anyone. Even if your ancestors were here 200 years ago, what does that have to do with you 7 generations down the line?
I have the answer for you....it doesn't. You've done nothing but rest on your laurels and expect things to work out.
The conservative philosophy in 2016: Black people suck, woman are dumb, and Hispanics can do the shit work for shit pay but we'll still hate them anyway."
#4839 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Feud » 473 weeks ago
I still haven't seen the source for the 50-25-25 arrangement.
Does anyone have it?
#4840 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Feud » 473 weeks ago
I agree. Slash wanted GNR back on top and if that meant falling on the sword and taking all the blame so Axl could feel like Slash as in the wrong and he was right so be it. Slash doesn't give a fuck about that. He did what it took to get GNR back to the top. Thing is Slash deserves the 50% more than Axl by far. The ONLY reason this shit is big is because of Slash. Really ironic when you think about it.
When you say "the only reason this shit is big is because of Slash" what do you mean?
If you're saying slash made GNR by himself....I think you're in the minority.
