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#471 Re: Guns N' Roses » Will GNR release new music in 2021? » 272 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:Anyway! Another date tonight, wonder if they'll wheel out Hardschool.
They finally crossed the rubicon and played a "new" and never before released song for the first time since the reunion began, so at this stage anything is possible.
Seen some folk hoping to hear something new that isn't Hardschool but to be honest until we see a setlist emerge with other alts then I really doubt it. Not sure they've played any song since the reunion that didn't have a video graphic associated with it so any performance seems premeditated typically.
Yeah. I kinda wish they'd have a generic video graphic worked up so they can just do an impromptu cover or jam once in a while.
#472 Re: Guns N' Roses » Will GNR release new music in 2021? » 272 weeks ago
Anyway! Another date tonight, wonder if they'll wheel out Hardschool.
#473 Re: Guns N' Roses » Will GNR release new music in 2021? » 272 weeks ago
Haters Gonna Hate wrote:So, with this version of Silkworms being virtually the same as the BBF version, I really do wonder how much Slash worked on these CD songs. I seen someone mention (I am not sure if it was here or elsewhere), that maybe Slash's hardschool could just be a version of HS from 03-08, I wouldn't be shocked as a couple of released songs went through pretty big changes, and if released songs changed a bit who knows how much songs that weren't supposed to be on the first album changed.
Also with Bucket's killswitch intro to SW still being intact I am way more interested in Slash's versions of CD2 songs. Because from what we heard from the two songs, the only thing that is really any different are the guitar solos. I would like to hear a later version of HS to see how much has changed though. Also now this leads the question would they be crazy enough to release an album with vocals from 1999-2007? My guess is probably but the 07 vocals will stick out as his raspy voice sounded different in 1999.
Speaking about vocals, If I were them I would really release Hardschool as a single before I play it live. There is pretty much 0 chance Axl will sound passable on the chorus live and I would not want people's first two impression of new material be Silkworms (a fun song IMO but I see why others don't like it) and a bad performance of Hardschool vocally.
I guess we will have to see what happens, maybe they are just playing these two songs for fun and have no plans of releasing them or maybe it is just because of the leaks. Hopefully it is for a new album.
Axls vocals on CD where all over the place and different.
Just listen to Madagascar, Riad, the blues, teh title track, scrapped as examples.if axl re-did all teh vocals which is doubtful and he did them around the time he did that looney toons song, his rasp is pretty good.
Also he had good rasp in 2016 with AC DC too
I think he can easily wheel out the rasp in-studio, given that they can literally do as many takes as he needs to lay down the track.
#474 Re: Guns N' Roses » Will GNR release new music in 2021? » 272 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:James wrote:Soundgarden.
Oh here we go, Soundgarden again. Look, I know you have a love affair with that band, but with the best will in the world, a Soundgarden reunion album is orders of magnitude less significant than a GN'R reunion album. GN'R is one of the iconic rock bands. They defined the look of the 80s, they were consistently dominating headlines throughout their 80s and 90s heyday. The only comparable thing I can think of is a Zeppelin reunion.
Or, wait, it's like comparing a fucking Herman's Hermits reunion to John Lennon and George Harrison digging themselves out of the ground and getting the Beatles back together.
The corresponding weight of expectation around a reunion album is orders of magnitude greater. Soundgarden could Just Get On With It because, well, their reunion is a nice-to-have, not a must-have. Everyone at the record company, and their mother, will have an opinion about how to approach The GN'R Reunion Album. Because you get one shot at it. That means the beast is tearing itself apart pulling in many different directions. It's a recipe for inertia.
The comparison is valid regardless of who was more popular. One band recorded shit loads of new material...some while on tour....the other?
Nada.
One was hard at work digging through the vault to come up with box sets and deluxe editions.
The other?
Notice a pattern yet?
The amount of work put into it doesn't change whether one person is interested or a billion.
It's funny to see some of the Cornell hate from GNR fans.
Remember all that talk of three albums and tours we were gonna get over a few years back in 2001?
Cornell did that exact thing with Audioslave....in the same timeframe it was supposed to happen with new GNR.
Then with time to kill before the reunion he whipped up a few more solo projects.
This is what happens with artists/bands who really are prolific and can walk the walk.
Edit
I don't need "evidence" that the GNR reunion was successful. I'm not blind or stupid.
No one has ever denied its success.
I don't hate Cornell. I like Soundgarden.
What I'm saying is simply that since a GN'R reunion is a much bigger deal than a Soundgarden reunion, there is a correspondingly greater degree of bureaucracy and bullshit involved in getting the album out. Whereas Soundgarden just has to pop into a studio and bash out a few tracks, and the record company's happy, GN'R has to deal with the (probably conflicting) opinions of everyone from the label boss to the mailroom boy. Because they all have a stake in the album.
It's the house In Hawaii that label boss has his eye on. It's Christmas bonuses all round for the marketing staff. There are dozens of vested interests arguing about the best release strategy, what the track listing should be, is the colour balance right on the artwork, should we leave that "pussy full of maggots" track off the album 'cos of the potential blowback from Woke Twitter?
And in the middle of all of this, COVID, throwing a wrench into everyone's plans.
None of these are issues with Soundgarden, because the potential impact of the release is infinitely smaller. Cornell could go off and do his solo projects and, well, it didn't matter, because it's only a Soundgarden album. There's less at stake.
#475 Re: Guns N' Roses » Will GNR release new music in 2021? » 272 weeks ago
Soundgarden.
Oh here we go, Soundgarden again. Look, I know you have a love affair with that band, but with the best will in the world, a Soundgarden reunion album is orders of magnitude less significant than a GN'R reunion album. GN'R is one of the iconic rock bands. They defined the look of the 80s, they were consistently dominating headlines throughout their 80s and 90s heyday. The only comparable thing I can think of is a Zeppelin reunion.
Or, wait, it's like comparing a fucking Herman's Hermits reunion to John Lennon and George Harrison digging themselves out of the ground and getting the Beatles back together.
If you want evidence, well, NITL was the third highest-grossing tour ever. The takings were half a billion dollars. https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli … fect-time/
The corresponding weight of expectation around a reunion album is orders of magnitude greater. Soundgarden could Just Get On With It because, well, their reunion is a nice-to-have, not a must-have. Everyone at the record company, and their mother, will have an opinion about how to approach The GN'R Reunion Album. Because you get one shot at it. That means the beast is tearing itself apart pulling in many different directions. It's a recipe for inertia.
#476 Re: Guns N' Roses » Will GNR release new music in 2021? » 272 weeks ago
I genuinely think the opposite is true. You've all become so used to GN'R's… intermittent… release schedule that you've overlooked the fact that:
1) They've built an efficient machine with the NITL incarnation of GN'R. It turns up on time, blasts out the songs, gets the job done, in a way that… well, no previous incarnation of GN'R did. They're reliable and disciplined, like the Foo Fighters or AC/DC. A world away from the shambolic tours of 2002, or the ever-diminishing returns of Axl And His Revolving Door Of Funny Friends.
2) They have a band that the suits are actually invested in promoting. Throughout every incarnation of GN'R from 1995 to 2016, Axl was battling against the headwinds of management and a record company who weren't interested in the band he was pushing on them. All they wanted was Slash back in the band so they could stop pretending that Axl's touring freakshow was GN'R and get the casual audience back on board. To that end, they would stall, they would equivocate ("Sorry, man, you've only got four workable songs on here, what if you got back together with Slash…?"), they would do anything they could to sabotage the band. That's not an atmosphere that's conducive to releasing an album. It's a minor miracle we got Chinese Democracy, and even that was basically pushed out to "get it out of Axl's system" so he'd see the light and reunite with Slash.
Things are very, very different now. I think once they've got the GN'R Reunion Album out, the world's their oyster. An endless cycle of tour-album-tour? Sure, why not. Whacking a song out for a movie? Knock yourself out. Upload a jam session to Spotify as an EP? Go to town.
#477 Re: Guns N' Roses » Absurd » 272 weeks ago
I think they all recognise IRS may be too much of an ask for Axl.
Vocally those CD songs are some of the most challenging he's ever recorded to do in a live environment and IRS with that long scream is up there. It's why I think The Blues/SoD hasn't featured despite it having an old school GN'R ballad feel.
Eh, they can easily rework that bit. The scream's just backing for the showboating solo, really.
#478 Re: Guns N' Roses » Will GNR release new music in 2021? » 272 weeks ago
but the fact is, you get one shot at the GN'R reunion album.
This is a great point.
It could make or break the whole thing.
It's why I wish they'd go big or go home....shock the world with a double like they should've done with CD.
I honestly think once they've done the Great Big Reunion Album, Axl will get a lot more experimental with releases. Recording new tracks in an afternoon and popping up them up individually, like Lana Del Rey does. Just going, "oh hey you guys, I did an album, here it is," like Ariana Grande does. Going, fuck it, let's do an album of Bee Gees covers for the lols, like Dave Grohl does.
Hell, he's kind of done that sort of random shit already, like making his first studio recording a couple of unannounced Sebastian Bach guest spots, or just randomly doing Scooby-Doo for the hell of it.
The trouble is, the weight of expectation on The First New Guns N' Roses Release Featuring Slash And Axl Since 1995 is smothering. Everyone will have an opinion on how to release it; Axl, the band, Axl's management, Slash's management, the record company, the record company's marketing people, etc etc.
Once they've cleared that out of the pipes, I think new material will flow much more freely.
#479 Re: Guns N' Roses » Absurd » 272 weeks ago
It's so exciting.
Of course.....they played IRS in 2006 and then the album came in 2008....so we may still be in for a bit of a wait for the record.....but it does suggest that plans to actually continue on with new music at some stage are real....
The idea of slash playing on those leaks really gets me into GNR mode.
It's really nice just that they've changed things up a bit though.
Speaking of IRS, it still baffles me that the NITL lineup hasn't tackled one of the few classic rockers on Chinese Democracy once. Like, in what bizarro universe is Slash playing Madagascar and Prostitute and fucking Silkworms, but IRS doesn't get a look in?
#480 Re: Guns N' Roses » Absurd » 272 weeks ago
kemmep wrote:Lol, that was realy absurd. But i like it haha. Pitman already predicted this moment:
There’s been a lot of talk about a Guns N’ Roses collaboration between yourself and Dizzy Reed, on a track known as ‘Silkworms’. It has been confirmed that this track will not make the final cut of Chinese Democracy. Why is this? Does the track have a future as a B-side or future release?
Pitman: I hope so. That song in particular that you are talking about, ‘Silkworms’, it ended up being this incredible track that sounded like Guns N’ Roses 10 or 15 years in the future. It was so far removed from our other songs that we had to put it in this other place. Concept-wise, it didn’t fit with Chinese Democracy. We hope we will have other songs that match that kind of futuristic sound. It’s a really exciting track because it morphs into this crazy sound, but it was out so much in the other direction that we have to let time catch up with it.
If it actually gets released....this shoots up into the top 10 GNR quotes.
I find it absolutely fucking hilarious that Pitman got booted from the band for complaining publicly that all they wanted to do was nostalgia tours, and now the first new song they do… is a Pitman track.
Pitman, you fucking mug.
