Everyone saying she won the popular... last I looked it was VERY close and they still had not awarded states. Right now across the entire US she is up 200,000 votes. That is 2 tenths of one percent more than trump. That is so tiny i would still call that a virtual tie.

mitchejw wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

You're not even trying to learn from this. Step back. You seem to think you're really smart. Prove it. There's something to learn from everything.

Alright, this is my attempt. You have to understand that emotions are running high right now and I acknowledge that I am saturated with these emotions.

I get that.  It's probably less emotional for me as I didn't like either candidate...I was more fascinated by the whole thing from a sociology point of view. 

At the same time, I do believe in democracy and if that means Trump is president, then I accept it. Even if it means I am in the minority for the foreseeable future. I still believe in my values and I will not be swayed in one direction or the other because of the results of the election. Again, I accept my role as being a representative of the minority and I accept all of the things that go along with being in the minority.

I have never been critical of our "2-party system" in the context that in all honestly, in a perfect world, it's the things that we do together in the 2 party system that result in the best outcomes for everyone. And in all honesty, that is what I want. I do not want anyone to suffer. I want to believe that Republicans have my personal best interests at heart, as well as the group of us that we call United States' citizens as a whole. I'm skeptical.

The reason I voted for Johnson besides a strong dislike for both candidates is that I wanted a 3rd party to get 5% of the vote so they could get federal funding.  I think if/when that happens, it will force them to work together, which is when things get done that benefit everyone.  Compromise.  It felt like when I was a kid they worked together for 3 years and then the year of the election would be more combative.  It hasn't been that way in some times.  They are campaigning/grandstanding every day of every year.  Nothing gets done that benefits everyone when that happens.

I do want to personally apologize to Randall Flagg. I once wrote in this thread that "he had contributed nothing" to this country without really having known him. I couldn't be more incorrect. I apologize for letting the heat of the moment and my emotions  to get the best of me. Right now, you and SG and a few others on this thread have your fingers on the pulse of something that escapes at the moment. That matters and it should be acknowledged.

Allow me to be self-indulgent for a moment. I am a business owner. I am responsible for a modest sized group of people who make me look good on a daily basis. I am responsible for federal and state unemployment payments, liability insurance, health insurance for some, mileage reimbursements....and all sorts of other obligations that I not only take very seriously, I also have nothing but gratitude for the fact that I am in the position that I am...

In the end, I still believe in what I believe in....and I will still fight for the things that I believe in...I think someone in this thread asked me once if there was anything I thought was worth fighting for....I have/am/will fight for a single mom of 3 who raised me, my brother and my sister on a minimum wage job. It's not so much for her, but for the future mitchejws. We would not have made it without food stamps and medicaid. And if it matters, my mother was so ashamed to have to apply for and use food stamps. But by no fault of my own or anyone else's my father decided to abandon us and leave us to fend for ourselves. That's something worth fighting for...and it was government that saved us on more than one occasion. These are programs that so many conservatives loath.

I was on food stamps occasionally as a kid.  I am all for supporting those that genuinely need support when they need the support.  What it shouldn't be though is a way of life or an excuse not to work.  You should be required to do some sort of work to earn your support if you are physically capable of doing so.  Even if it's cleaning gov't buildings, some sort of job training...anything instead of just getting a handout.  I promise if people have to work anyway, they will go get a job and come out ahead instead of getting by with doing nothing.  Sure, there are some Republicans that want to end those programs completely, but most just want reform.  The challenge is how to reform it.  There are no easy answers, but I do think if the sides work together they can come up with something that will work.

I'll leave you with this....the outlet that this board gives me on so many topics has been incredibly important to me over the years. It's hard to believe that I only know you all by your screen names. I can count on one hand the number of friends I have in "real" life. I keep coming back here for a reason. I am thankful for this place.

I think a lot of us agree on this, and despite our differences I really enjoy the discussion.  It's good to get an understanding of what others think and why they think that way.  I'm not the douche that I can act like on here.  I'm pretty laid back actually and an introvert.  The couple people I have met on here (SG and Otto...maybe a few others that don't post much anymore in Vegas) will hopefully tell you I'm a good guy.  This is just a release for me and sometimes that comes across as more douchey than I intend it to...and if you're a dick to me I will give it back.  Doesn't mean I hate you.

Hindsight is 20/20 I guess...

But I'll tell you what....the Wasserman-Schultz/DNC/Clinton fiasco was an enormous self inflicted wound that perhaps wasn't given the attention it deserves.

At least the Republicans followed through with Donald Trump. The DNC manipulated things to make Hillary the winner of the primaries much to the chagrin of their own party.

mitchejw wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

Way to learn nothing from what has happened! 

Markets are up this morning. So much for that doom and gloom...

What is their to learn? You act as though the Republican Party has reinvented itself.

You're not even trying to learn from this. Step back. You seem to think you're really smart. Prove it. There's something to learn from everything.

mitchejw wrote:

The uneducated white vote came out in droves today.

"college-educated whites went for Trump, 49-45 percent."