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#4681 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
Supreme Court Justic Merrick Garland?
I'm not sure what your outraged about....opposing appointments or Nancy Pelosi...
#4682 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
misterID wrote:His supporters are ignorant knuckle draggers and deserve every bad thing the Pence administration will give them. Trump is playing the rubes, he actually has shown compassion to Hillary outside the moron fests of his rallies. Pence is 100% true blue right wing Christian crazy nut job, and appears to be in full control of the decision making. All the people getting positions are Pence people.
They are going to love the free range Paul Ryan gets to gut Medicare. While all these rubes are shouting about Hillary, they are slowly working on dismantling one of our most important safety nets for seniors. Trump supporters will be doctor shopping with vouchers all while their prostates are protruding out of their asses. They deserve it...the rest of us do not.
Trump said during his entire campaign that Hillary was "crooked" because of her alleged (never found guilty) inability to handle classified material. Then has Petraeus in the running for Secretary of State, who actually pled guilty and is currently still on probation...for mishandling classified material.
Trump and his cohorts bemoaned Hillary's speaking engagements with Goldman Sachs. But guess who Trump's Secretary of Treasury is? Steve Mnuchin from Goldman Sachs.
Trump's charges against Hillary in regards to "crony capitalism" was core in his campaign as well. It should also be noted that this is a fundamental aspect of Republican dogma (especially over the last 8 years.) "Let the chips fall where they may." "Government doesn't create jobs." "Government doesn't pick winners and losers." But what is the first thing President elect Trump does, and the majority of Republicans cheer? He works out a "deal" with Carrier, using their parent company's government contracts as leverage. A deal that costs tax payers over 7 million dollars, although we still do not have all the details. Sure sounds like crony capitalism to me.
Trump also has a trillion dollar infrastructure stimulus in the works. They voted against that for 8 years. Want to guess what happens now that Trump is in the driver's seat?
Trump supporters are either acutely unaware of any of this, or simply don't care. My guess is a little bit of both. What I've seen here more than anything is that Trump can say/do anything, even literally change his stance mid sentence. They could care less. More than that are the conservative values they have claimed to hold so dear. None of that apparently matters anymore either. Carrier is a good example. His supporters don't see any hypocrisy on their end or Trump's. And Trump will use it again and again to show what a deal-maker he is and that he kept his campaign promises. None of the facts will matter, not one bit.
Smoking Guns wrote:I voted for Kasich but lately he has acted like a little bitch.
I'd say it was the other way around.
Kasich was the only Republican to show backbone and integrity. The rest loathed Trump, but fell in line like cowards rather than possibly alienate any of their constiuents.
I totally agree with this...it's way more difficult to stand with your principals than jump on the Trump bandwagon.
Even worse, that troll of a human being, Paul Ryan straddled the fence and jumped onto both sides of it before straddling the fence coming into the election.
Now that he benefits, he's all smiles. Now there's a man who stands for nothing.
#4683 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
misterID wrote:His supporters are ignorant knuckle draggers and deserve every bad thing the Pence administration will give them. Trump is playing the rubes, he actually has shown compassion to Hillary outside the moron fests of his rallies. Pence is 100% true blue right wing Christian crazy nut job, and appears to be in full control of the decision making. All the people getting positions are Pence people.
They are going to love the free range Paul Ryan gets to gut Medicare. While all these rubes are shouting about Hillary, they are slowly working on dismantling one of our most important safety nets for seniors. Trump supporters will be doctor shopping with vouchers all while their prostates are protruding out of their asses. They deserve it...the rest of us do not.
Trump said during his entire campaign that Hillary was "crooked" because of her alleged (never found guilty) inability to handle classified material. Then has Petraeus in the running for Secretary of State, who actually pled guilty and is currently still on probation...for mishandling classified material.
Trump and his cohorts bemoaned Hillary's speaking engagements with Goldman Sachs. But guess who Trump's Secretary of Treasury is? Steve Mnuchin from Goldman Sachs.
Trump's charges against Hillary in regards to "crony capitalism" was core in his campaign as well. It should also be noted that this is a fundamental aspect of Republican dogma (especially over the last 8 years.) "Let the chips fall where they may." "Government doesn't create jobs." "Government doesn't pick winners and losers." But what is the first thing President elect Trump does, and the majority of Republicans cheer? He works out a "deal" with Carrier, using their parent company's government contracts as leverage. A deal that costs tax payers over 7 million dollars, although we still do not have all the details. Sure sounds like crony capitalism to me.
Trump also has a trillion dollar infrastructure stimulus in the works. They voted against that for 8 years. Want to guess what happens now that Trump is in the driver's seat?
Trump supporters are either acutely unaware of any of this, or simply don't care. My guess is a little bit of both. What I've seen here more than anything is that Trump can say/do anything, even literally change his stance mid sentence. They could care less. More than that are the conservative values they have claimed to hold so dear. None of that apparently matters anymore either. Carrier is a good example. His supporters don't see any hypocrisy on their end or Trump's. And Trump will use it again and again to show what a deal-maker he is and that he kept his campaign promises. None of the facts will matter, not one bit.
Smoking Guns wrote:I voted for Kasich but lately he has acted like a little bitch.
I'd say it was the other way around.
Kasich was the only Republican to show backbone and integrity. The rest loathed Trump, but fell in line like cowards rather than possibly alienate any of their constiuents.
I cannot even begin to understand the complexity of what Paul Ryan is proposing at the moment.
Hypothetical though: what if Medicaid was abolished and the money used to fund it was some how used to subsidize private health insurance.
#4684 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:That would rob them of anything from Media Matters, Salon, HuffPo, Vox and MotherJones to name a few. Then any of their random OpEd pieces where some parent who promised their child the world is now in tears and telling their kid to stay strong as they're sent to Auschwitz.
This is absurd RF...you were posting plenty of fake news and even blogs last summer.
I think it's time we all take responsibility.
I don't recall linking blogs outside of Coulter and I don't think I've ever linked to a questionable news source for the same reasons mentioned above. And I'm not saying that anything on Salon is automatically false. But when your only support that Bannon is a member of the alt-right is a reporter from Mother Jones, that doesn't pass the legitimacy test to me.
The only bullshit news I've fallen victim to and a good friend called me out were the claims of Democrats paying protesters. Plenty of evidence to show Unions doing that, but not a single piece of evidence tying it to the Democratic party.
Well let me try and be a good friend and say that we all let our strongest beliefs blind us into believing things that aren't true...
I'm just saying that we owe it to each other and ourselves to make sure we know what we're saying is based on truth.
#4685 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:Can we have an agreement we will no longer post unsubstantiated stories from murky, unknown and plain out crazy news websites?
That's going to leave you short of sources I think.
Unless you really meant to say "websites not pushing a liberal narrative".
That would rob them of anything from Media Matters, Salon, HuffPo, Vox and MotherJones to name a few. Then any of their random OpEd pieces where some parent who promised their child the world is now in tears and telling their kid to stay strong as they're sent to Auschwitz.
This is absurd RF...you were posting plenty of fake news and even blogs last summer.
I think it's time we all take responsibility.
#4686 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
I think the more important question is how often/when we've allowed fake knowledge to influence our own line of thinking.
RF and SG are just as guilty as I or anyone else. That map of the election by county is pure propaganda that was posted by the Trump supporters.
I no longer click on mother jones articles.
I am much more critical of my news sources than I ever was....
But none of this explains/justifies Trump....
Paul Ryan is continually sucking his dick in the media. Should I believe that?
#4687 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
AtariLegend wrote:It answers that you didn't read it;
From the Hillary article;
second paragraph;
It isn't yet clear how that hacking would have taken place, in such a way to ensure that Donald Trump won the vote
final paragraph;
probably weren't a consequence of the cyber attack
You're posting stuff from twitter pollux without reading it.
I posted two headlines. Did you read them? I see one of them saying 'no' and the other saying 'yes' on the exact same subject, a couple of weeks apart. The headline is the most important part of the article because the majority of readers don't go beyond it. So I have presented you with a crystal clear example of media mental gymnastics.
And when I do give you the courtesy and take the 5 minutes reading that rubbish, the articles both clearly state that election fraud in October was highly improbable, while now it is certainly possible. Nowhere was it implied that either of these definitely did or did not take place, which is the dichotomy you need to declare all of this 'false'.
It truly is click bait...not an ounce of substance - maybe 500 words to say almost nothing.
#4688 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
I wish I could be impressed by this...I just truly don't think any of this matters.
I've already given up on Trump....what a tool...everything I hate about my own country personified in one human being.
He will have nothing but my criticism and disdain for the next 4 years.
He is not my president.
#4689 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 516 weeks ago
Trump talks to Taiwan, which we haven't had diplomatic ties with since the 1970s. I'm sure China is happy.
Trump tells Pakistan he wants to visit and he'll do what he can to help them. I'm sure their enemy India is happy.
Trump praises and talks with the dictator of Kazakhstan. I'm sure all of Western Europe is happy.
Trump isn't even president yet and is worse at foreign policy than Obama ever was.
I also don't recall someone acting as president before being president...
Let's be honest, why would somebody be in favor of this Trump deal with carrier? But also the adamantly opposed to the dealings of 2008 and 2009? What the fuck is going on anymore?
#4690 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 516 weeks ago
And now he's drunk dialing Chima....
He's just kicking so much ass, lately...
I've never invested money in the stock market and never will...I don't believe in it... if I wanted to gamble like that I would just go to the casino
