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#4671 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago
The 1930's are so in right now.
This is hilarious. Remember when I just said Trump would most likely fuck up in spectacular fashion? It seems they're already imploding. The transition team has broken down. Read this https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … story.html
And ironically, Pence is having his own email issues.
That's a very interesting article. I haven't watched much news the past few days. Crazy that Christie is persona non grata now. Giuliani no longer a possibility for AG?
I'm shocked that so many who want to be close to the establishment are bowing out so quickly. These people are not spring chickens....they may never taste power like that again.
I think the privilege of being able to directly contradict yourself over and over again in the way Trump has about the electoral college and so many other topics in writing, in public implies an enormous arrogance to me. He is so privileged he literally has no one to answer to about anything. So much so that he doesn't mind publicly and consistently contradicting himself.
I agree but I actually think its brilliant. He's already showing the ability to be a teflon president and is also a mirror of our culture to an extent. Everybody wants to blame the other guy and play the victim. Now suck it up buttercup and salute your victim in chief. 
Whether you like him or not......we deserve him.
Did this work?
Let's look at that tweet...about he could have just as easily won NY and California had he just spent a bit more time there.
He's right about Cali. I said it from day one even when I thought his campaign was a joke......if he campaigns heavily in Cali on the immigration issue and pounds the pavement til his knuckles bleed, he wins it. He didn't do that because like most republicans not named reagan he instantly assumes it will go blue. Now that he actually won he sees that he could've won the state.
At the core, student loans and scholarships aimed at assisting a poor person ascend to a college degree is good for everyone.
I agree....to an extent. Poor people who get good grades should most certainly be allowed the opportunity to go to college....but they cant allow anything with a pulse to get grants and loans for worthless degrees and in some cases wont even get those degrees.
I've known drug dealers who go to CA state just for the grants and easy access to new customers(students). Should Joe and Jill tax payer have to foot the bill for these types to go to college? Absolutely not. I'm not sure how to remove this element from the equation though.
Does this work?
When I say Asians routinely score better on math assessment tests, is that racism? Imagine a first generation minority student coming to the US and outperforming his/her white peers. How easy is it to say....that damn minority is getting a scholarship and an opportunity my son/daughter deserves because my genealogy in this country dates back one hundred years.
INteresting point but no I wouldn't call that racism. Look at the other angle......a white student with straight A's didn't get into the college they wanted because they accepted a black student with D's and F's thanks to affirmative action. Is that racism? Is it fair?
I won't waste my time if it's going to be dismissed.
Now that'll be a first.... 
I'm staying out of the discussion, but it is curious how focused some of you are on racism.
Yeah I had no idea until this year that this was such a major issue here.
I'm not a liberal, I'm a moderate. I'm really not liked by Democrats!
Come on now. You keep saying that but you fall in line with everything blue and hate everything that can even be perceived as possibly red. You'd follow Obama and Hillary through the gates of hell but you're a moderate? 
You either accept reality, or you do not. Bannon is a racist and anti Semite, shown by his work at Breitbart alone.
This is true.....
I didn't even know what the hell Breitbart was until I joined your site and saw Art posting links to it. A few good points here and there but I throw it in the rense/infowars category overall.
Trump is also packing his cabinet with lobbyists. I guess they'll deny that too.
Peachy keen.....
but I think America's going to turn on them. Ivanka probably the most. She needs to shut down her stupid clothing & shoe lines with products made in sweatshops selling for $100+.
I disagree on Ivanka. Country is going to LOVE her. We basically have a Kardashian as the president's most high profile kid. Will media outlets be negative towards Ivanka? Of course. Will the general public gobble up Ivanka like Roseanne Barr on a loose meat sandwich? Absolutely.
He's been great? It's just a few days since the election. He hasn't done much of anything other than meet Obama, tweet the usual crap, give a speech and talk to 60 minutes....he's been great!!!
No offense but this goes both ways SLC. He is getting heavily criticized even though its only been days.
Trump bringing people together. Give this man the peace prize.
Not a joke...he deserves it. Obama got one for absolutely nothing so give one to Trump as well. At least he's trying to ratchet down the chances of WWIII....which is more than Obama did when he won the prize.
Trumps son in law is his closest advisor, another reason there's a stink he's trying get him security clearance. Christie prosecuted his father, very publicly. He sent him to jail and had a press conference to totally humiliate him. Looks like pure retribution.
I guess he shouldn't be surprised Trump isn't licking his ass and probably should've seen which way the wind was going to blow.
Essentially...prior to the election last week...300,000 REGISTERED voters in Wisconsin still had not obtained the proper voter ID. Bare in mind that while simultaneously requiring some of the most strict voter ID laws in the country,
I'm sick of this voter ID shit. Its not rocket science for fucks sake.
Lets make it as simple as possible....bring your drivers license or ID to vote.....fuck...even your SS card. If you're still too stupid to vote, tough shit. I'm sick of people pretending that its hard to vote. Even illegals and dead people figure out a way to cast votes but breathing American citizens find it difficult?!?
You think Clinton knows who Rogers is? Think she's drinking a beer while eating some cheese talking about what model Harley she prefers? Milwaukee and Wisconsin in general is a bastion of white working class who heavily favored Trump.
I wish Icould find the video but there's no chance as I have no idea where the event was held or what state. It was the 2008 election during the primaries. She was at some event and hanging around a bunch of guys. Clearly a photo op of course but it got awkward when she was handed a huge mug of beer. She was clearly uncomfortable and wanted out of there immediately. She was out of her element. As they were taking pics, she put the mug up to her lips but didn't actually take a drink yet everyone standing next to her did. I knew that anyone in that state who watched that video would not vote for her.
People like Reagan, Kennedy, W, and even Bill can pull off those 'common man' moments and mingle but she cant.
I will not be put in the position of defending Hillary....
But someone wearing a burka was able to get Huma Abedin's manhattan ballot because they don't require ID.
That's disgusting.
This is why the snowflakes are smashing windows, beating up Trump supporters and calling for the assassination of Trump and the rape of his wife. If you've ever wondered how France's Reign of Terror happened, observe the anti-Trump protests — the main result of which is to convince people who had misgivings about voting for Trump that they did the right thing.
Absolutely.
All this is the consequence of the Democratic Party's decision in the 1970s to get rid of all the normal people.
That was actually a good article by Coulter.
She's got to be on the team. Press secretary please....with a cherry on top.
I find it very strange that Liberals in the US defend the idea that you should be able to vote without proper ID. Just make an ID mandatory to have for every adult, make it easy to acquire and free of charge and all problems are solved, no? That's how virtually the rest of the civilized world does it...
I don't understand the idiocy either.
However, there are places in this country where you have to wait hours in line to even vote.
There's an alternative that literally takes five seconds and zero effort....its called an absentee ballot. You don't even have to leave your damn house to vote. YOu do need a postage stamp so maybe that's too much of an effort or too complicated for some voters.
I walked into my voting booth in voted in five minutes. Why is it so difficult to vote in some areas? Doesn't anyone find that a bit curious?
No. Its one of those issues where the rest of us are supposed to pretend its difficult. I've been voting since I was 18 in two states...one red and one blue.....zero difficulties.
There are almost no DMVs in Milwaukee proper. Scott Walker shut them down.
There's something called the internet. The DMV is on it. Every dipshit has a smart phone. Let them get smart and use it for something other than FB or Pokemon.
I agree. Milo is a piece of shit, but he only has a following because even bigger, more worthless turds find him compelling.
I had to google the guy to know exactly what he does. I saw Breitbart and closed the tab.
I have a feeling he's one of those types who would probably go away if liberals would stop giving him so much attention.
Never before have I seen a president, or president elect, tell his constituents to "stop it" when a reporter brought up their aggressive racism towards other Americans.
Which interview was this?
Yeah this quote train is messy. I had about 10 pages to catch up on and I got lazy with the quotes....
I can't figure out this damn quote thing....damnit
#4672 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:I just posted something about how disproportionate the voting is in Wisconsin at the state government level to the representation. Republicans have vast majority's in both places of Congress and a Republican governor.
62.5% of the representation goes to what 49% of the state voted for. Why that doesn't bother you boggles my fucking mind.
Who drew the districts? There's no way you'll have a perfect district and people 100 miles away shouldn't be in the same district as people in Madison or Milwaukee to leverage city voters pull either. Census is in 4 years, you'll have a chance to change it then.
I'm glad that you and I agree on most of this. In fact, we might agree on all of this. I think it's worth appreciating that not a single member on this board advocates voter fraud.
If voter fraud is something we really want to deal with then I think we can come up with a better way. A way that safeguards eligible voters as much as protects against voter fraud.
There are a couple of other posters here who are also adding interesting information on the topic.
I think it will be difficult to find 100% accurate statistics on who has been disenfranchised and how. I think we're going to have to just use logic and instincts to see that while the current policies on voter IDs very likely prevent voter fraud, I think it's also quite plausible that they disenfranchise some eligible voters as well. Unless both of those thingsare the intent of the law, I think it's worth considering the effect that these new rules have on elections.
#4673 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:I just posted something about how disproportionate the voting is in Wisconsin at the state government level to the representation. Republicans have vast majority's in both places of Congress and a Republican governor.
62.5% of the representation goes to what 49% of the state voted for. Why that doesn't bother you boggles my fucking mind.
Who drew the districts? There's no way you'll have a perfect district and people 100 miles away shouldn't be in the same district as people in Madison or Milwaukee to leverage city voters pull either. Census is in 4 years, you'll have a chance to change it then.
Yes...I understand that there is no perfectly drawn district....but a few very important parts of the state are disproportionately affected by these voter ID rules....students in Madison and minorities of Milwaukee. Thats worth noting.
I believe there was a fight about what constitutes as a voter ID. Student IDs don't count - they used to.
In addition, there was a big fight about closing down DMVs. There are almost no DMVs in Milwaukee proper. Scott Walker shut them down.
No longer are their polling places on campus either.
This seems pretty concerted to me RF. Tell me what you think.
In a state where a few thousand votes matter...this seems important to consider.
#4674 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago
I just posted something about how disproportionate the voting is in Wisconsin at the state government level to the representation. Republicans have vast majority's in both places of Congress and a Republican governor.
62.5% of the representation goes to what 49% of the state voted for. Why that doesn't bother you boggles my fucking mind.
#4675 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 460 weeks ago
Because they have been told black people aren't savvy enough to get an ID or use the Internet (the implicit racism in this position is quite astonishing to me). Supporting voter ID laws then makes them racists.
The DNC leadership probably knows that having and ID is something the vast majority of eligible voters already have, so I can only assume they fear the loss of a practice tailor made for election fraud.
Listen guys, this is never been my take on anything. The DNC doesn't have to tell me things for me to make up my own opinion.
However, there are places in this country where you have to wait hours in line to even vote.
There are also places in this country where conveniently it's not as easy to get a voter ID in certain places and I don't think that's a coincidence.
I walked into my voting booth in voted in five minutes. Why is it so difficult to vote in some areas? Doesn't anyone find that a bit curious?
Bottom line is, in a democracy don't you want is many people who are as eligible to vote as possible? Because I am still of the belief that this is a strategy to make it just a little bit more difficult to vote or more inconvenient to vote.
#4676 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
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Oh Ann Coulter is now someone worth listening to?
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It's all far game then if we're back to this mud slinging
#4677 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:From your article:
"Voter turnout in this year's presidential primary was the highest since 1972 with voter ID in place, so to now suggest turnout was down in the general election because of it is wrong," Evenson said. "We have made voting easy while ensuring it is hard to cheat. Lower turnout in the general election was true nationwide. It was not unique to Wisconsin or voter ID."
Albrecht acknowledged that some of the drop-off in turnout had to do with the candidates and less enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. He also did not have statistics detailing how many voters were turned away for not having the proper ID."
So we see a lower turnout compared to 2012 nationwide, but the article wants to blame voter ID in Wisconsin. It also points to low income areas of Milwaukee, which surprise, turned out nationwide in surprisingly lower numbers than they did in 2012.
Clinton was a bad candidate and represented everything people hate about D.C. You think Clinton knows who Rogers is? Think she's drinking a beer while eating some cheese talking about what model Harley she prefers? Milwaukee and Wisconsin in general is a bastion of white working class who heavily favored Trump.
This is why. If you guys go full retard and align yourselves with Warren and Sanders types for 2020, you'll have a repeat. Quit looking to liberal elites who couldn't change their own oil. Accept that Clinton was such a shit candidate, half the country voted for the guy who hosted a reality TV show over her.
I don't interpret that quote the same way you do....it's where votes "disappeared" that matters...and I'm talking about state governments who get to create their own rules for voting systems....where is your evidence of "cheating" anyway? I have never seen any evidence...except that scattered republican voters who voted twice in the last 4 years. I didn't ever hear you condemn that RF...
Essentially what you're saying is my choice in this country is between Republican lite and Republican?
You say that about "liberal elite" but what about your precious conservative elites? We just elected the most elite of the elite!
I will not be put in the position of defending Hillary....
I didn't say they cheated, the article did. But someone wearing a burka was able to get Huma Abedin's manhattan ballot because they don't require ID. Every state has public voting rolls that show the last time someone voted. If all you require is a Comcast bill with a matching name on it, that's a huge gaping hole in our elections that could easily be manipulated. From a simple integrity perspective, controls should be in place. Anyone caught violating our election laws should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of party. I could link numerous examples of democratic voter fraud, but if you're interested just google it. Here is a generic issue from the Washington post citing examples: http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/ … ts-all-to/
I didn't vote for Trump remember. I voted for Kasich in the primary and would have voted for Rubio next. Hardly elites of the GOP and world. Wasn't Rubio criticized during the debates for being 180k or so in debt? Meanwhile Clinton left the White House with Millions in the bank and told reporters they were almost bankrupt. Bernie just closed on his 3rd house by the way, but I wouldn't call him elite.
Ok....but let's talk about proportion...we're gonna prevent 89 people in Colorado from voting twice by enacting strict voter ID laws that may actually block hundreds of thousands of actual qualified voters from voting? - I feel like this is so transparent that I don't even need my glasses to see through it....
If anything....it's very clever....it's clever to disguise this voter ID clause as a way to protect democracy when it actually, in an applied setting, stops more people who should vote than it does prevent voter fraud.
Because even if it's just a comcast bill that shows your (in wisconsin it's charter) address....it seemed to work for the vast majority 99.99% of people who voted honestly.
It's really an ingenious strategy...
1) cite voter fraud in a very vague or skewed way because we all know that 99.99% of people are against voter fraud
2) create a plan as a guise to prevent voter fraud (never actually say we're preventing a few dozen votes in fraud)
3) create plans to make access to these voter IDs difficult in some (very calculated) areas and use "budget" concerns as the excuse.
4) Make basic knowledge about how to get a proper voter ID intentionally vague
#4678 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
Here you have....if you scroll down far enough the distribution of Wisconsin state government representatives:
http://uselections.com/wi/wi.htm
Now....take a look at this....this just appears to be a basic breakdown of votes - not really an opinion
key paragraph:
For instance, Republicans received 49 percent of the 2.9 million votes cast in Wisconsin’s congressional races, but won five out of eight, or 62.5 percent, of the seats, according to the Center’s analysis. The Center analyzed unofficial 2012 results reported by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and official 2010 results from the state Government Accountability Board
This is a 2012 article about state government: http://wisconsinwatch.org/2012/11/2012- … -analysis/
this needs explanation....this is what you should focus on
#4679 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
AtariLegend wrote:Law was changed in 2014 for stricter voter ID laws. Milwaukee turnout supposedly dropped by 41K alone http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati … story.html
Here's a story on it pre-election. https://www.thenation.com/article/a-90- … er-id-law/
From your article:
"Voter turnout in this year's presidential primary was the highest since 1972 with voter ID in place, so to now suggest turnout was down in the general election because of it is wrong," Evenson said. "We have made voting easy while ensuring it is hard to cheat. Lower turnout in the general election was true nationwide. It was not unique to Wisconsin or voter ID."
Albrecht acknowledged that some of the drop-off in turnout had to do with the candidates and less enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. He also did not have statistics detailing how many voters were turned away for not having the proper ID."
So we see a lower turnout compared to 2012 nationwide, but the article wants to blame voter ID in Wisconsin. It also points to low income areas of Milwaukee, which surprise, turned out nationwide in surprisingly lower numbers than they did in 2012.
Clinton was a bad candidate and represented everything people hate about D.C. You think Clinton knows who Rogers is? Think she's drinking a beer while eating some cheese talking about what model Harley she prefers? Milwaukee and Wisconsin in general is a bastion of white working class who heavily favored Trump.
This is why. If you guys go full retard and align yourselves with Warren and Sanders types for 2020, you'll have a repeat. Quit looking to liberal elites who couldn't change their own oil. Accept that Clinton was such a shit candidate, half the country voted for the guy who hosted a reality TV show over her.
I don't interpret that quote the same way you do....it's where votes "disappeared" that matters...and I'm talking about state governments who get to create their own rules for voting systems....where is your evidence of "cheating" anyway? I have never seen any evidence...except that scattered republican voters who voted twice in the last 4 years. I didn't ever hear you condemn that RF...
Essentially what you're saying is my choice in this country is between Republican lite and Republican?
You say that about "liberal elite" but what about your precious conservative elites? We just elected the most elite of the elite!
I will not be put in the position of defending Hillary....
#4680 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
Here you have....if you scroll down far enough the distribution of Wisconsin state government representatives:
http://uselections.com/wi/wi.htm
Now....take a look at this....this just appears to be a basic breakdown of votes - not really an opinion
key paragraph:
For instance, Republicans received 49 percent of the 2.9 million votes cast in Wisconsin’s congressional races, but won five out of eight, or 62.5 percent, of the seats, according to the Center’s analysis. The Center analyzed unofficial 2012 results reported by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and official 2010 results from the state Government Accountability Board
This is a 2012 article about state government: http://wisconsinwatch.org/2012/11/2012- … -analysis/
