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#4671 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:Trump would be a fool to think any move he makes will appease his opponents. They're turning every stone, looking in every closet for a drop of blood.
His best option is to prove his worth by acts and deeds. People come around easier when they see real fruits on the table. Jobs, income, freedom's. That's his promise and that's what he needs to do to turn around the naysayers.
You're absolutely right. You need to look no further than this thread to see that people want blood and are actively hoping he's a failure. So much for all their critiques of the GOP and Obama.
If the GOP stays united, we'll be fine. If they behave like the Dems did between 08-10 (something posters here and elsewhere refuse to acknowledge), we're in for some hard times. At least these loonies take pride in being unarmed, so not much damage they can do that CS and water canons can't solve.
08 to 10 is eons ago...
From 10-16,the GOP was basically in control and that's the part you don't acknowledge. They may have only had control of one branch for some of those years....but your supposed Party of unity obstructed everything and even shut down the government twice at the peaks of their tempor tantrums over control.
I'm not buying what you're selling RF.
Why shouldnt I be out for blood? For 6 years the Republicans did nothing and are now being rewarded. They held dozens of hearings about hillarys emails. They repealed Obamacare 50 plus times.
They were productive in zero things.
#4672 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:What if Trump is really trolling Russia. Do we really think he would jeopardize the US to be cozy with Russia then have Russia hurt the US? I think he is trying a different approach but push comes to shove, he will tell them to fuck off. I think this is all gamesmanship.
Much more likely than Trump "caving" to Russia. There is nothing in his character to suggest he caves for anyone.
The only flaw I could accept which people are touting around is his inexperience, but that is rapidly turning into experience. He already beat Hillary at her own game, to name one thing.
I don't see any substance here...I see Trump throwing his dock around and being ignorant, ignorant not savvy of the rules.
#4673 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
Even if it isn't true....I'm cool with it. These are the same tactics being used against him that got him elected.
He deserves to be delegitimized. And its all delicious and and I'm licking it off my fingers like a good tangy BBQ sauce.
If we can spend the last 4 years on Benghazi and Hillarys emails...we sure as hell can do this for 4 years.
#4674 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Of course it's a slippery slope and one that isn't feasible. But can we please stop the attack on the intelligence of people who voted differently than you? A lot of stupid fucking people exist in either party. Feel free to youtube "dumb X voter" if you have any doubts.
But maybe instead of yelling "shame" on the house floor because someone didn't agree to legalize fantasy for the mentally ill, we yell "shame" at people who have kids while on public assistance instead of treating them as tough and heroes.
No, I'm not going to stop attacking the intelligence of Trump voters just like I'm not going to stop calling out the entitled, shallow, narcissistic, elitist mentality of Jill Stein voters, or the hypocritical apathy of people who don't vote but run out into the streets to protest an election result. More people were voting for marijuana legalization and NOT voting for president because they felt "icky" voting for Hillary. Yet, Trump is putting Sessions in his cabinet who wants to go after legalized marijuana on a federal level. That's voter stupidity. the very definition of not seeing the forest for the trees.
We all knew what Trump was from the outset, and when you proudly wave and publicly display your ignorance with your blind support of someone who is thoroughly incompetent, which is going to directly affect my life, I'm going to call them fucking idiots. Which they are. And every misstep he makes I'm going to hang around their necks. They carry it, they own it.
Trump isn't the problem, he never attempted to hide who and what he was. The fucking idiots who supported him are the problem.
Didn't waste a word...
#4675 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:I don't agree with Smoking Guns. But what are you willing to do to people who have children they can't afford or are ill prepared to raise? Food stamps doesn't help when there's 6 kids living in a 2 bedroom apartment cause mommy doesn't want to work and likes the attention from men.
It's a terrible scenario...and it happens more often than you think...
You should have to get a license to have kids that says you are competent, attended a class, not on drugs, etc. too many people have kids that can't care for or afford them.
This is a real slippery slope:
1) Who licenses people for authorization to have a child?
2) I'm assuming the answer to this is the government with a strong influence from religion and other extreme conservatives.
I see two problems with this: First, isn't this just big government?
Second, if it is big government, then you conservatives will bitch and moan about the cost of big government...so we're back to square one.
Then again, conservatives have been applying drug tests to welfare recipients lately and even though the cost of doing so outweighs the benefit by leaps and bound. A failed drug test occurs somewhere between 1 and 4 percent of opportunities.
and I agree with the above statement....if there is a certification process for having children then shouldn't there be one for voting? Because I am pretty certain most Trump voters couldn't name the 3 branches of government. Once more, I can't believe how the Trump supporters can't see how they've been totally duped. He's already in process of telling you all to fuck off....it's like you all think there's a seat for you at Trump's table...it's just waiting for you to sit down. When in realilty, the second he won....he plugged in billionaire after billionaire, wall street chump after wall street chump, and announced that social programs that many of his supporters need and depend on are all but finished.
The swamp he's draining is YOU! Wake up! He has no use for you anymore!
#4676 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 514 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:To be pro choice means you offer no freedom to the unborn. Do they not have a right to live? A baby isn't part of the woman's body. It is just housed there. It has its own DNA, blood, organs, etc. In times of rape and major sickness, or health to the mother of course I am pro choice. But a baby to me has nothing to do about rights for the mother but rights for the innocent baby.
But once that baby is born...fuck that kid...he's on his own. He needs to pull himself up by his own boot straps!
I don't agree with Smoking Guns. But what are you willing to do to people who have children they can't afford or are ill prepared to raise? Food stamps doesn't help when there's 6 kids living in a 2 bedroom apartment cause mommy doesn't want to work and likes the attention from men.
It's a terrible scenario...and it happens more often than you think...
#4677 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
To be pro choice means you offer no freedom to the unborn. Do they not have a right to live? A baby isn't part of the woman's body. It is just housed there. It has its own DNA, blood, organs, etc. In times of rape and major sickness, or health to the mother of course I am pro choice. But a baby to me has nothing to do about rights for the mother but rights for the innocent baby.
But once that baby is born...fuck that kid...he's on his own. He needs to pull himself up by his own boot straps!
#4678 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
But Trump hasn't even been sworn in yet and some of you are acting like it's 1929. A lot of dumb shit happened this week that haven't been appropriate to discuss.
He's already acting like the president...he's not even waiting. He negotiated with Carrier and he's not even sworn in yet. It doesn't make any sense. What he did to 'save' Carrier was the exact thing that he criticizes Obama/Dems of doing. He just does whatever the hell on a whim and I think it's a window into the future.
Look at the jack-assery he's planning for the inauguration.
I'm just saying you guys set the bar pretty low when Obama got a fucking Noble Prize before being sworn in. Even he knew it was a farce and refused to participate.
And he's appointed Vince McMahon's wife to the cabinet!!!! It's not even funny anymore....he's a total buffoon.
I'm just saying you guys set the bar pretty low when Obama got a fucking Noble Prize before being sworn in. Even he knew it was a farce and refused to participate.
Did anyone even care about that? Didn't Bob Dylan just blow them off? I didn't personally give him that award and in fact I had forgotten that it even happened...that's how little I cared.
#1 Ohio passing its retarded heart beat bill.
This is what happens when Republicans control all branches of the government...and there's more to come. These are the things that enrage me about Republicans. They get up in arms about people coming to this country from other places but when it comes to abortions, they all the sudden believe all life is precious....or is it just American lives?
I cannot believe....with all the things going on in the world that people have time to worry about other people having abortions. Why don't those people get jobs? Why doesn't anyone call those people lazy or call their behaviors atrocious like the people who protested after Trump won?
Doesn't anyone see the irony of the government getting involved to make choices for people - and the perpetrating party being Republicans? Could the Republicans possibly be this hypocritical?
#4679 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
The Democratic Party is still the party of the KKK and Jim Crow no matter how many times you put your fingers in your ear and shake your head no.
No you've lowered yourself....
You will not criticize Drumpf now matter what he does....being a fanboy does nothing...
#4680 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago
Oh, I'm not upset at all. I would have hand picked her to stay if my opinion mattered. She's the worst choice for the Democratic party. It proves that nothing was learned and your party has now officially squandered everything it got in 2006 and 2008. 10 years of control that will soon be a foot note in American history.
Here are some things I learned:
1) Republicans have a great way of using information to divide people
2) The amazing hypocrisy of conservatives of the last eight years claiming they weren't up in arms for the last 8 years over the black man in the white house - then turning around and saying they didn't act like total bitches for eight years AND
3) Now Democrats are just supposed to accept the 'new era' without being upset....
4) We're all supposed to forget how pathetically the Republican controlled congress obstructed everything for the last 6 years and blame Obama for everything that has gone wrong.
5) While obstructing everything Obama wanted, Republicans bitched about his use of executive orders.
6) Republicans shut down the government TWICE in the last 4 years and you all thought it was cool....even when it damaged our economy and hurt our national credit rating.
7) I learned that Republicans can be hypercritical of any Democrat but turn a blind eye to a white man grabbin pussy and calling mexicans rapists
8) I learned that it doesn't matter HOW you get elected....all that matters is that you get elected.
9) I learned that it's okay to insult anyone as long as they are not a rich white man CEO/real estate mogul.
10) I learned that when you disagree with our new president, he has the time to tweet for hours on end...
11) I learned that it's okay for our president to insult the very people he is to represent.
12) I learned that the popular vote matters nothing when the winner of the EC doesn't win it.
13) I learned that 2.5 million votes don't matter
14) I learned that by getting rid of SS and privatizing Medicaid is all about helping out wall street people who don't give a shit about you
15) I learned that you can say and do anything during the campaign and not be held accountable within weeks of winning said election.
16) I learned you can back track on every promise and theme during campaigning and supporters don't care.
17) I learned that Americans love questionable, unethical business practices that include filing bankruptcy to get out of paying taxes.
18) I learned that hypocrisy is okay as long as you win.
19) I learned that it's more fun the demonize the minority than it is to unify people.
20) I learned that the theme of Republican politics is to pull the ladder up behind you (ie Paul Ryan who benefited from many social programs growing up).
All this comes from a business owner whose life will likely get better as a result the new Republican policies. At least financially. But ethically and morally...I feel we're on the door step of the promotion of selfishness and ridicule. The hooray for me and fuck you attitude is alive and well in America. The last thing I've learned is that, I guess we're proud of that.
How's that for slapping around some conservatives?
