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#4631 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Well, he says he would have beaten Trump if allowed to run. What a fucking joke. He is more focused on saying shit like that "preserving husband legacy" that admitting failures and correcting those issues.

Is this one of those times that you call Trump out for saying stupid shit? No...it's when you continually bash your current president and beat the war drum of our douchiest president ever Donald Drumpf...

You don't criticize Trump ever....you don't....your mouth is too firmly wrapped around Trump's dick...

#4632 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
slcpunk wrote:

It's been confirmed today that the Russians hacked into our electrical grid this time. Between this and meddling in our election, Trump continues to applaud Putin on Twitter.

Maybe one of you Trump supporters could explain this to us, because I'm really confused right now. We have a foreign country who essentially turned our latest election into a banana republic and is now actively fucking with our power grid. This is a digital attack on our country of epic proportions, and the President elect not only is publicly denying it's happening, but singing praises to the perpetrator.

What patriotic American would ever support this shit?


Except this isn't true. They didn't turn our election into a banana republic. Clinton was a horrible candidate and lost because people like you are content to just smugly dismiss other people. They didn't hack the power grid. They hacked a computer at a power plant with no access to production.

But the GOP told you Russia was a threat and you and Obama yucked it up, claiming the Russian threat wasn't real, but a man becoming a woman was real enough to ruin lives over not playing along.

Why aren't you upset Obama has been a fucking clown that has worsened our international standing?  Why aren't you upset that Obama was on vacation in Hawaii or entertaining Jay Z while all this occurred. You were rabid at Bush for 9/11, calling him anything but a white man. But have remained silent on Obama's failure to control isis, Syria, China or Russsia. You backed an inexperienced child who lacked a single achievement and made our country worse for it. No amount of spin can alter the fact that less people are working, more are on welfare and the country is more divided than before he took office.

And your fucking response is to not only exaggerate what did happen, but put all blame on the guy who hasn't even been sworn in yet. You're why Trump won. You're why Obama has been allowed to behave more like a dictator than a president. And Obama is why Russia can fuck with our country with impunity. Hold your beliefs and the people you voted for accountable for their failures.  Don't manufacture failures for someone not even in office yet. If Trump has a state dinner for Putin and let's him fuck his wife, then you can talk.

Except I disagree that Obama has hurt our international standing...I know that you, RF, think the only way to improve our international standing is to bomb the shit out of someone or start a war...that's all you respect...that's all you'll ever respect...

This country is such a shit stain....

#4633 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

slcpunk wrote:

How Trump Made Russia's Hacking More Effective

It was the president-elect’s hyperbolic characterizations of the pilfered material that turned routine documents into the stuff of scandal.

“It’s all just an attempt to delegitimize Donald Trump.” That’s the argument you hear from Trump supporters each time new information comes to light about how hard Russian spy services worked to damage Hillary Clinton. You heard it again on Thursday.

The Trump supporters are 100 percent right: The information is delegitimizing. The president-elect of the United States reportedly owes his office in considerable part to illegal clandestine activities in his favor conducted by a hostile, foreign spy service. It’s hard to imagine a crisis of presidential legitimacy more extreme than that. But that’s no argument against airing this information. It’s precisely why the information must be aired.

Vladimir Putin took a fearful risk. If the Electoral College had taken a slightly different bounce on November 8, Putin would now be facing an enraged President-elect Hillary Clinton. Putin had every reason to expect that he probably would end up facing a President Clinton. Yet he took the gamble anyway, apparently doing something none of his Soviet predecessors had ever dared to do: mount a clandestine espionage and disinformation campaign on behalf of one candidate for U.S. president, and against another.

The word “clandestine” is the key term here. In every election, foreign governments have their preferred candidates. It was no secret in 2004 that America’s French and German allies hoped George W. Bush would lose, or that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu felt the same way about President Obama in 2012. Those allies made their wishes known through the familiar and lawful method of grumbling to sympathetic American journalists about the awfulness of the incumbent administration. What they did not do was organize their spy agencies to break the law of the United States. But that is evidently what Russia did—and it seems to have worked.

Obama pledged today that before he leaves office, the American people will learn more fully how the Russians did it.

This will be important to know. But there is something else important to keep in mind.

The content of the Russian-hacked emails was actually remarkably unexplosive. Probably the biggest news was that Hillary Clinton had expressed herself in favor of a hemispheric common market in speeches to Wall Street executives. Otherwise, we learned from them that some people at the Democratic National Committee favored a lifelong Democrat for their party’s nomination over a socialist interloper who had joined the party for his own convenience. We learned that many Democrats, including Chelsea Clinton, disapproved of the ethical shortcomings of some of the people in Bill Clinton’s inner circle. We learned that Hillary Clinton acknowledged differences between her “public and private” positions on some issues. None of this even remotely corroborated Donald Trump’s wild characterizations of the Russian-hacked, Wikileaks-published material.

Without Trump’s own willingness to make false claims and misuse Russian-provided information, the Wikileaks material would have deflated of its own boringness. The Russian-hacked material did damage because, and only because, Russia found a willing accomplice in the person of Donald J. Trump.

Many questions remain about how the Russian spy services did what they did. That includes Putin’s motives for ordering the operation. But on issues from Crimea to Syria to NATO to the breakup of the European Union, Trump’s publicly expressed views align with Putin’s wishes.

Over Trump’s motives for collaborating so full-throatedly with Russian espionage, there hangs a greater and more disturbing mystery—a mystery that Trump seems in no hurry to dispel. And maybe he is wise to leave the mystery in place: as delegitimizing as it is, it’s very possible the truth would be even worse.   

DAVID FRUM is a senior editor at The Atlantic and the chairman of Policy Exchange. In 2001-2002, he was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

but...but...BENGHAZI!!!!! and....and.........E-MAILS!!!!!

#4634 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
johndivney wrote:

Barry expelling 35 Russians & ordering sanctions.
+ UN/Israel resolution.
He's having a good week.

He grows a spine in the final 3 weeks of presidency.  Good for him... lol

I know...must especially suck for you since Vlady is now your second favorite person in the world, only to the Donald...

#4635 Re: The Garden » What's your day job? » 512 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:

9 years later.... Erm.

Still holding out for a proper job!

Haha...has it been 9 years? Dayum

#4636 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Apparently Obama and Trump talked after all this and are cool again, mixed signals, yet again.

The leaps in logic are astounding and the free passes you give Trump on his behavior are too frequent to count.

Obama really needs to watch his behavior while Trump shits all over anyone who disagrees with him.

How you reconcile this logic is beyond me. We all have to take the high road while our president-elect takes the low?

#4637 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
slcpunk wrote:

Give me a break. Trump wrapped himself in the racist conspiracy theory that Obama wasn't born in America for 6 years, never admitted he was wrong, and never apologized. And that's just ONE of the many things he said about our President.

Obama said he could have won a third term and the GOP says he's "Undermining" Trump. Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river.

Do you know how small this makes you and or Obama look?  George Bush didn't do this shit.  Why is Obama?  Your excuse is weak as fuck. Since their meeting after the election Trump has been very positive about Obama and Obama had been cordial.. Now, all of the sudden, he is attacking Trump again.. Just like he did while stumping for Hillary.  Would Obama have beaten Trump? Very likely.  Black voters seem to ony give a fuck when a black dude is running.  Since he wasn't running they don't give a fuck.  So Obama won because one demographic seems to vote for him at a very high rate.  Big fucking deal.  I just think he is acting a little childish.

I cannot believe a Trump supporter is saying this bullshit...

#4638 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Is it really necessary or beneficial for Obama to keep saying he would have won the election should he have run again or take jabs at trump implying we shouldn't be tribal or some shit?  Not everything has to be some hidden message to trump. Obama seems to have a huge fucking ego. He is acting NOTHING like George Bush in regards to not criticizing the President Elect.

Ya know...

I would be inclined to agree with you...but it's Trump. He's made his bed and now he has to lay in it for 4 years. In addition, Republicans obstructed Obama for 8 years with childish games and now you want to pretend like none of that happened.

Trump deserves it...and he's gonna get it from ALL angles.

#4639 Re: The Garden » 2016 Fantasy Football » 512 weeks ago

I'll play next year if you need a player.

#4640 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 513 weeks ago

Donald Trump is talking about an arms race now...

Will Republicans ever not take an opportunity to show the world how big their dicks are?

Drumpf is no leader of men...he's a child with money.

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