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#4611 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 457 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
PaSnow wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

Just watched the Trump speech. It is so obvious how he won. So much charisma. Dude owns that kind of shit. You can see how fired up the people get when he talks. And Paul Ryan even came in stage. Good stuff.

I watched it too, just in a passive way (felt sick, couldn't concentrate on anything), wasn't rooting against it or in a Rachel Maddow mindset. 

That said, it was a trash talking show. Just bizarre that he goes on some victory lap to assauge his own ego?! Unprecendented. The guy really could be an egomaniac.  Having said that, he does appeal to alot of people. Mostly, he gives hope to the down & outs.  The people who live in rural areas, hunt, watch Nascar, drink $1.50 beers at the local down & out bar waiting for their turn to die, shopping at Walmart, yet are told "The great jobs are coming back" lol. It's amusing, partially sad.

Lemme recap:

Taxes will be cut.
Our Military will be incredibly built up.
ISIS will be defeated.
Great jobs will come back.
Taxes will be raised on products built overseas (yet at the same time the cost of products/inflation will not increase) so people will buy American.
Obamacare will be replaced with something even better.
A wall will be built.
Jobs will come to our inner cities.
Merry Christmas.


My prediction: he doesn't move the country much on social issues (gay marraige, abortion), but heavily goes Republican on tax cuts for the rich. It's what the Republicans needed at the right time, a wolf in sheeps clothing. Oh PS. there are no factory jobs coming back.

It's funny you mention this because I watched that town hall with Chris Hayes and Bernie Sanders and it is painfully clear democrats do not have a message for these voters. For how good Bernie can be at a rally, he's awful at a town hall. When he's pushed back on something he clearly gets irritated and ticked off. He kept on about the disparity in wealth, which is great, but that's all he had. He didn't have a simple message. I think that's Trump's appeal. He's a very simple speaker. When he's pressed on details he turns into a used car salesman. He's talented that way. When Bernie is pressed, he does state facts, even if diminishing the real price for his plans, he is honest that the economy will slow, taxes will go up, and unemployment wil rise. His thing is, just stick with him and it will all work out. Trump says he's going to create all this great stuff and it will be completely painless and won't cost anyone anything. Basically, he's a terrible, but very charismatic liar.

Bernie himself said so a month ago...he's embarrassed that the DP has forgotten how to talk to these people.

It still begs the question...why does it matter way more to be charismatic than it does to be honest?

#4612 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 457 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Just watched the Trump speech. It is so obvious how he won. So much charisma. Dude owns that kind of shit. You can see how fired up the people get when he talks. And Paul Ryan even came in stage. Good stuff.

Nah, I'm good...never been impressed but substansless bullshit.

Time for y'all to start really thinking about the unprecedented backlash Mr. (Not president) Trump will endure for the next 4 years.

It's very, very real. And very, very deserved.

#4613 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 457 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

Trump would be a fool to think any move he makes will appease his opponents. They're turning every stone, looking in every closet for a drop of blood.

His best option is to prove his worth by acts and deeds. People come around easier when they see real fruits on the table. Jobs, income, freedom's. That's his promise and that's what he needs to do to turn around the naysayers.

You're absolutely right. You need to look no further than this thread to see that people want blood and are actively hoping he's a failure. So much for all their critiques of the GOP and Obama.

If the GOP stays united, we'll be fine. If they behave like the Dems did between 08-10 (something posters here and elsewhere refuse to acknowledge), we're in for some hard times. At least these loonies take pride in being unarmed, so not much damage they can do that CS and water canons can't solve.

08 to 10 is eons ago...

From 10-16,the GOP was basically in control and that's the part you don't acknowledge. They may have only had control of one branch for some of those years....but your supposed Party of unity obstructed everything and even shut down the government twice at the peaks of their tempor tantrums over control.

I'm not buying what you're selling RF.

Why shouldnt I be out for blood? For 6 years the Republicans did nothing and are now being rewarded. They held dozens of hearings about hillarys emails. They repealed Obamacare 50 plus times.

They were productive in zero things.

#4614 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 457 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

What if Trump is really trolling Russia. Do we really think he would jeopardize the US to be cozy with Russia then have Russia hurt the US?  I think he is trying a different approach but push comes to shove, he will tell them to fuck off. I think this is all gamesmanship.

Much more likely than Trump "caving" to Russia. There is nothing in his character to suggest he caves for anyone.

The only flaw I could accept which people are touting around is his inexperience, but that is rapidly turning into experience. He already beat Hillary at her own game, to name one thing.

I don't see any substance here...I see Trump throwing his dock around and being ignorant, ignorant not savvy of the rules.

#4615 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 457 weeks ago

Even if it isn't true....I'm cool with it. These are the same tactics being used against him that got him elected.

He deserves to be delegitimized. And its all delicious and and I'm licking it off my fingers like a good tangy BBQ sauce.

If we can spend the last 4 years on Benghazi and Hillarys emails...we sure as hell can do this for 4 years.

#4616 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 457 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Of course it's a slippery slope and one that isn't feasible.  But can we please stop the attack on the intelligence of people who voted differently than you?  A lot of stupid fucking people exist in either party.  Feel free to youtube "dumb X voter" if you have any doubts.

But maybe instead of yelling "shame" on the house floor because someone didn't agree to legalize fantasy for the mentally ill, we yell "shame" at people who have kids while on public assistance instead of treating them as tough and heroes.

No, I'm not going to stop attacking the intelligence of Trump voters just like I'm not going to stop calling out the entitled, shallow, narcissistic, elitist mentality of Jill Stein voters, or the hypocritical apathy of people who don't vote but run out into the streets to protest an election result. More people were voting for marijuana legalization and NOT voting for president because they felt "icky" voting for Hillary. Yet, Trump is putting Sessions in his cabinet who wants to go after legalized marijuana on a federal level. That's voter stupidity. the very definition of not seeing the forest for the trees.

We all knew what Trump was from the outset, and when you proudly wave and publicly display your ignorance with your blind support of someone who is thoroughly incompetent, which is going to directly affect my life, I'm going to call them fucking idiots. Which they are. And every misstep he makes I'm going to hang around their necks. They carry it, they own it.

Trump isn't the problem, he never attempted to hide who and what he was. The fucking idiots who supported him are the problem.

Didn't waste a word...

#4617 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 457 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

I don't agree with Smoking Guns. But what are you willing to do to people who have children they can't afford or are ill prepared to raise?  Food stamps doesn't help when there's 6 kids living in a 2 bedroom apartment cause mommy doesn't want to work and likes the attention from men.

It's a terrible scenario...and it happens more often than you think...

You should have to get a license to have kids that says you are competent, attended a class, not on drugs, etc. too many people have kids that can't care for or afford them.

This is a real slippery slope:

1) Who licenses people for authorization to have a child?

2) I'm assuming the answer to this is the government with a strong influence from religion and other extreme conservatives.

I see two problems with this: First, isn't this just big government?

Second, if it is big government, then you conservatives will bitch and moan about the cost of big government...so we're back to square one.

Then again, conservatives have been applying drug tests to welfare recipients lately and even though the cost of doing so outweighs the benefit by leaps and bound. A failed drug test occurs somewhere between 1 and 4 percent of opportunities.

and I agree with the above statement....if there is a certification process for having children then shouldn't there be one for voting? Because I am pretty certain most Trump voters couldn't name the 3 branches of government. Once more, I can't believe how the Trump supporters can't see how they've been totally duped. He's already in process of telling you all to fuck off....it's like you all think there's a seat for you at Trump's table...it's just waiting for you to sit down. When in realilty, the second he won....he plugged in billionaire after billionaire, wall street chump after wall street chump, and announced that social programs that many of his supporters need and depend on are all but finished.

The swamp he's draining is YOU! Wake up! He has no use for you anymore!

#4618 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 457 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

To be pro choice means you offer no freedom to the unborn. Do they not have a right to live? A baby isn't part of the woman's body. It is just housed there. It has its own DNA, blood, organs, etc. In times of rape and major sickness, or health to the mother of course I am pro choice. But a baby to me has nothing to do about rights for the mother but rights for the innocent baby.

But once that baby is born...fuck that kid...he's on his own. He needs to pull himself up by his own boot straps!

I don't agree with Smoking Guns. But what are you willing to do to people who have children they can't afford or are ill prepared to raise?  Food stamps doesn't help when there's 6 kids living in a 2 bedroom apartment cause mommy doesn't want to work and likes the attention from men.

It's a terrible scenario...and it happens more often than you think...

#4619 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 457 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

To be pro choice means you offer no freedom to the unborn. Do they not have a right to live? A baby isn't part of the woman's body. It is just housed there. It has its own DNA, blood, organs, etc. In times of rape and major sickness, or health to the mother of course I am pro choice. But a baby to me has nothing to do about rights for the mother but rights for the innocent baby.

But once that baby is born...fuck that kid...he's on his own. He needs to pull himself up by his own boot straps!

#4620 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 457 weeks ago

But Trump hasn't even been sworn in yet and some of you are acting like it's 1929. A lot of dumb shit happened this week that haven't been appropriate to discuss.

He's already acting like the president...he's not even waiting. He negotiated with Carrier and he's not even sworn in yet. It doesn't make any sense. What he did to 'save' Carrier was the exact thing that he criticizes Obama/Dems of doing. He just does whatever the hell on a whim and I think it's a window into the future.

Look at the jack-assery he's planning for the inauguration.

I'm just saying you guys set the bar pretty low when Obama got a fucking Noble Prize before being sworn in. Even he knew it was a farce and refused to participate.

And he's appointed Vince McMahon's wife to the cabinet!!!! It's not even funny anymore....he's a total buffoon.



I'm just saying you guys set the bar pretty low when Obama got a fucking Noble Prize before being sworn in. Even he knew it was a farce and refused to participate.

Did anyone even care about that? Didn't Bob Dylan just blow them off? I didn't personally give him that award and in fact I had forgotten that it even happened...that's how little I cared.

#1 Ohio passing its retarded heart beat bill.

This is what happens when Republicans control all branches of the government...and there's more to come. These are the things that enrage me about Republicans. They get up in arms about people coming to this country from other places but when it comes to abortions, they all the sudden believe all life is precious....or is it just American lives?

I cannot believe....with all the things going on in the world that people have time to worry about other people having abortions. Why don't those people get jobs? Why doesn't anyone call those people lazy or call their behaviors atrocious like the people who protested after Trump won?

Doesn't anyone see the irony of the government getting involved to make choices for people - and the perpetrating party being Republicans? Could the Republicans possibly be this hypocritical?

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