I think most people are upset by the reality Russia was trying to influence our election.  But the disagreement is to what extent it impacted the election.  Most of Hillary's emails were already out long before the wikileaks stuff due to the FOIA requests related to Hillary's server.  The Podesta emails are certainly attributable to hackers, but it wasn't some grand hack like Sony or Target.  Podesta fell victim to a basic phishing scam.  This isn't on the level of a a government sponsored hack.  Don't forget that Powell's emails were leaked too and weren't a glowing recommendation of Trump.

What I think you want, is for Trump to decline the office and put Hillary in, pretending that all of the TRUTH revealed around her and the DNC was wiped from our citizens memory. 

I'm sure you have no problem with the Access Hollywood video being leaked and I remember you being okay with Carter's grandson leaking Romney's "47%" comments in 2012. 

None of this has anything to do with Hillary not stepping foot in Wisconsin or paying tribute to the Auto Industry in Michigan, who were obviously influenced by Trump's attacks on Ford and other manufacturing jobs.  He won by 36 electoral votes.  Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania alone didn't hand him the presidency.

Trump is officially going to be the victor Monday despite desperate pleas from Democrats who just weeks ago were bashing the undemocratic nature of the Electoral College.  Again, position and tolerance is based solely on how it affects the party and their chosen candidate.

mitchejw wrote:

mitchejw wrote:

Here are a few far left liberal ideas that are stupid...

The anti-vaccination people
Hippies
Communism

How's that war on drugs going?
I think the Clintons are pretty conservative....
I can't really think of one liberal idea that has been implemented other than Obamacare in my life lifetime.

I think the war on drugs has been a huge mistake. There's very little you're going to see me defend about Nixon.

That being said, heroin and opioid addiction kills more people annually than firearm fatalities, yet doesn't get nearly the attention gun deaths receive. Serious reform is needed to halt the over prescription of pain killers. Trump's border enforcement will also help end the influx of heroin, which almost exclusively enters the country via Mexico. The federal government considering pot on the same level as Heroin is truly stupid. I'm hoping Trump keeps Sessions from being stupid on this.

I can name several progressive policies rammed down our throats. The Dream Act for one. Admitting Transgendered people into the military (I couldn't send soldiers with sleep apnea to Iraq because I couldn't guarantee access to electricity for their machines 100% of the time. I couldn't deploy Soldiers who were on anti depression medication as it makes them unstable and access to medication isn't guaranteed. The hormones and treatment transgendered people need aren't going to be readily available in a war zone, so they're dead weight from the start). Removal of work requirements to receive welfare. 

Stupid shit the GOP has done:

Voting repeatedly to appeal Obamacare knowing Obama would veto even if it miraculously made it through the Senate.

Refusing to budge at all and work with Obama, embarrassing Boehner and resulting in his resignation.

Obsession with abortion and planned parenthood. The crime rate drop in the early 90s coincidentally also aligns with Roe V Wade and the millions on adolescents who would have been born to poor single mothers. I don't think it was a coincidence.

The thirst for blood in Iraq and Afghanistan, but a complete 180 on any current threat.

This was bipartisan, but passing a law to let people sue Saudi Arabia for 9/11.

Their obsession with gay marriage and championing people like Kim Davis, meanwhile half of them are on their 2nd or 3rd wife with lots of intern action.

slcpunk wrote:

Randall Flagg wrote:

If only these "Closer Look" segments would have alerted the public to the problems with Obamacare or Black Lives Matters or Immigration.  People see what they want to see.  None of you were on this forum or any other bitching about the millions who were financially impacted when their premiums rose and could no longer afford insurance.  None of you said "Hey, wait a minute" when Obama decided to let mentally ill people join the military who will never be combat ready because their medication and counseling prevent them from entering a combat zone.  None of you posted any concern when Obama overreached his executive authority and set precedents that you won't enjoy now that Trump can wield that power.  None of you were here advocating how wrong Reid using the nuclear option in 2012, but are shitting your pants now that the GOP has total control and can literally remove the DNC from any control of our federal government.

But keep yucking it up with Samantha Bea and Seth Myers.  The adults will be making sure Trump doesn't kick start WW3 while correcting a lot of the damage the Obama administration has enabled the past 8 years.

A pivot to the default position: Attacking silence. Dude you're turning into a one trick pony! SAD!

In the meantime you didn't address one bit of the GOP hypocrisy on this segment. Neither did SG. Lofton says he's OK with government involvement in the free market because he's not a typical conservative. But if I cared to use the search feature, I'd bet my Obama phone that he was calling Barack a socialist back in the day...just a hunch. 

I don't have to attack silence. I just have address what you guys are actually saying or have said (amazingly the same as Rush, Hannity and any garden variety dope over at Fox)

Obama bailout of auto sector = Socialism

Trump saving 700 jobs via crony capitalism at tax payers expense = STRONG LEADER!!!

Sorry SLC. You don't get to remain silent when your party does something wrong, bitch loudly when the Republicans do something, and then claim "you don't know what I think because I selectively remain mum when it's my party." 

That shit may work in a court room, but what you choose to pay lip service to is indicative of what you find important. Not a single post from you condemning Obama or Clinton, but countless against the GOP. You don't get to claim silent objectivity. No one is buying this cheap excuse.

mitchejw wrote:

misterID wrote:

It's funny you mention this because I watched that town hall with Chris Hayes and Bernie Sanders and it is painfully clear democrats do not have a message for these voters. For how good Bernie can be at a rally, he's awful at a town hall. When he's pushed back on something he clearly gets irritated and ticked off. He kept on about the disparity in wealth, which is great, but that's all he had. He didn't have a simple message. I think that's Trump's appeal. He's a very simple speaker. When he's pressed on details he turns into a used car salesman. He's talented that way. When Bernie is pressed, he does state facts, even if diminishing the real price for his plans, he is honest that the economy will slow, taxes will go up, and unemployment wil rise. His thing is, just stick with him and it will all work out. Trump says he's going to create all this great stuff and it will be completely painless and won't cost anyone anything. Basically, he's a terrible, but very charismatic liar.

Bernie himself said so a month ago...he's embarrassed that the DP has forgotten how to talk to these people.

It still begs the question...why does it matter way more to be charismatic than it does to be honest?

Telling people he can get free college for everyone and raise the minimum wage to $15 without harming the economy and standard of living for millions doesn't count as being honest in my opinion.