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#31 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 868 weeks ago
"Why does he call him out onstage in regards to his heroin use"
to save the band and slash's life?
No!!!! Thats NOT why!!!! Anyone who has ever had to deal with addiction, themselves or as someone concerned would know that the WORST thing you could do was use the addiction against the addict. It doesnt work that way. I know. I've been in 7 inpatient facilities, more than 20 out patient facilities. I have been incarcerated and seperated from my wife and children. And I can tell you from a person whos been there, that calling Slash out in public was the dagger thru the heart of the soul calling out to Slash to stop. Fuck you, if you don't get it, you wont. Some of you believe that addiction is a choice we make, others feel it's something that "if you really cared" you could stop. Sorry to tell you it doesnt work that way. When you stuck at the bottom, and your underneath the pit...you make a deal. Just die. Thats the deal. Fuck you!! Thats the deal, and if you some how climb out of the pit, then its's because those that care, and those that love you never gave up, because this is not a place you escape by yourself...your just far to weak at this point. And all you look forward to is the end. My point was Axl knew this already...he had already lost people thru these means. And what he did to Slash,that night, was NOT to save Slash. It was to force his will upon him.
#32 Re: Guns N' Roses » What current leaked track should i preview? » 868 weeks ago
You should check them all out!! I love every song on CD, with the exception of maybe Rhiad, love the music, but just dont care for the lyrics as of yet.
#33 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 868 weeks ago
You're assuming Mr. Rose is stable.
Think about that one.
HA HA HA HA!!!! Thats the best point of this entire coversation. I am done!!! That was good man. 
:mosh::mosh:
#34 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 868 weeks ago
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From everything we've read, been told, even by Axl himself & his friends, Axl is very emotional and very sensative. Not the norm for a man. Slash, who was once considered a very close friend, for the history to have happened the way it happened, it is not far-fetched to believe that Axl is extremely hurt by this, and has been for years. He also probably feels lied to and lied about on countless occasions, something that it's only natural to take personal, and for a guy like Axl, this would be the volume elevated to 10 on taking it personal.
This I Love is about unrequited love imo, in the same vein of Don't Cry, November Rain & Estranged.
But Sorry seems to have Slash rant written all over it. I wouldn't be shocked if it were about Duff, considering the opinions given by Axl in that 2002 interview/press release that appeared on the old GNR.com site, but I would think it's a high-possibility it's about Slash.
I know you were just being a smart ass about the 'homosexual' thing, but I can honestly say that if I had had a very close personal friend, a bandmate, that I trusted, admired and respected for many years, and then suddenly what I thought they were changed to something else, and they seemingly turned on me and went everywhere talking major shit and major shit about me publicly in the press, I would see it as a HUGE betrayal of trust, i'd be very hurt, and yes I might start writing music as a way to vent that frustration.
You make some great points as well. But if Axl thought of Slash as a close personal friend and admired and trusted him then why did he force his hand into signing over the GNR name???? Why does he call him out onstage in regards to his heroin use, and threaten to end GNR if he doesnt start doing what Axl wants??? Axl knows about addiction, and knew about it when he did that to Slash, and he knew far well that, that wasnt going to help Slash, but that wasnt the intent, the intent was control. That to me is something you do to someone you don't admire and don't trust. Axl (from what I've read) felt he had to do that to protect his vision of GNR. So both of them wronged the other as far as I'm concerned. I side with Axl on almost every action. All but not getting his so called friend help, and instead using it against him and embaressing him. If I was Axl I would have tried to gain control as well, if all the stories are true regarding Duff, Izzy, and Slash's drug use. But it seemed to start with Axl as the agresser. If I were Slash 15 years ago, hooked on heroin and basically told I was now an employee of Axl Rose, Id be talkin shit to, id be pretty pissed at the situation and at myself.
#35 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 868 weeks ago
They may have not been the main writing duo but Slash is the lead guitar player. The only member in a band that rivals a Frontman basically. Axl has called Slash a liar countless times. Slash has bashed Axl not so much lately but think of when this album was written. There is hate there. More hate for Slash than anyone else it seems from Axl. Reread the 2002 press release before the tour started. There are hard feelings for all involved except maybe Izzy but I guess for Axl, Slash takes the cake.
Point taken. But for me, I still find it hard to believe Sorry is about Slash. I concede there's a possiblity and that maybe only some of it is about Slash, but I for one doubt it. But it's only an opiniun, but I have to admit, at least you made some valid points about it.
#36 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 868 weeks ago
There is hate and unresolved issues with Axl and Slash. Some grudges never die. Why is it so hard to think that? Rappers for instant write raps "dissing" other rappers all the time. To believe a rock star couldn't or wouldn't do the same is not very smart. There is a lot of history between those two that we know about and don't know about. And how the issue of homosexuality is brought into this makes no sense too me. This is Axl letting all his frustrations out and there is most likely a lot surrounding Slash. There won't be one review of this album with out a Slash reference. Slash and Axl are forever tied together.
The homosexual crap was just me being a smart ass. And as for "Slash and Axl being tied together forever" I get that, because of what they, Izzy and Duff did with GNR. What I was trying to say, and did incorrectly was try to ask why is it always Axl and Slash?? Steven Tyler and Joe Perry actually cowrote alot of stuff withour=t ever running anything by any other members of Aerosmith. Mick Jagger and Kieth Richards were the same. I never saw Axl and Slash as being that way. I always saw Slash like I see Kirk Hammett of Metallica. "Here you go Kirk, these are the songs James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich wrote. Record 6 or 7 solos for each song and they will pick the ones they want. We'll let you know what ones they chose so you'll know what to play when the songs are played live" I think there is hate and unresolved issues between Axl and Duff, Slash, Matt and Steven.
#37 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 868 weeks ago
There is hate and unresolved issues with Axl and Slash. Some grudges never die. Why is it so hard to think that? Rappers for instant write raps "dissing" other rappers all the time. To believe a rock star couldn't or wouldn't do the same is not very smart. There is a lot of history between those two that we know about and don't know about. And how the issue of homosexuality is brought into this makes no sense too me. This is Axl letting all his frustrations out and there is most likely a lot surrounding Slash. There won't be one review of this album with out a Slash reference. Slash and Axl are forever tied together.
The homosexual crap was just me being a smart ass. And as for "Slash and Axl being tied together forever" I get that, because of what they, Izzy and Duff did with GNR. What I was trying to say, and did incorrectly was try to ask why is it always Axl and Slash?? Steven Tyler and Joe Perry actually cowrote alot of stuff withour=t ever running anything by any other members of Aerosmith. Mick Jagger and Kieth Richards were the same. I never saw Axl and Slash as being that way. I always saw Slash like I see Kirk Hammett of Metallica. "Here you go Kirk, these are the songs James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich wrote. Record 6 or 7 solos for each song and they will pick the ones they want. We'll let you know what ones they chose so you'll know what to play when the songs are played live"
#38 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 868 weeks ago
Axl S wrote:I've got Scraped with no sounds or skips at all just some background fuzz. Like listening to the radio.
Side note: Listen to the lyrics in Sorry. Who thinks it's possibly about the fans and the media?
My personal opinion...
Shackler's Revenge - is about the fans. I don't know if it's a pure out attack, but it's certaintly for a "chosen few".
Don't ever
Try to tell me
How much you care for me
Don't ever
Try to tell me
How much you were there for meI don't believe there's a reason
I don't believe it
I don't believe there's a reason
I don't believe itNo one is stoppin' you
From doin what you want to do
No one is stoppin you now
Stoppin' you nowStreet of Dreams - is about Stephanie Seymour. All of the lyrics.
Scraped - I think is actually a pro-fan, pro-listener song, almost the opposite of Shackler's. I think this song is actually kind of a "give 'em hell" anthem. Never give it up, keep fighting the good fight, kind of song. And balancing that with depression. One moment you feel like a beaten dog, and the next minute you remember YOU'RE the king. You can do anything you accomplish your mind to.
Sorry - is totally about Slash imo.
Madagascar - is about it all as a whole. Whether it be Slash, Steph, the media, bad fans, haters, whatever... I won't be told anymore, that i've been brought down in this storm.
This I Love - I think this is another 'unrequited love' song, not really about anyone in particular. There are parts of this song that could be interpreted to be about Steph, Slash or hell Erin. I really think this was originally the song that was supposed to be sandwiched in-between November Rain & Estranged. This was supposed to be 'Part III' of the Trilogy. Thus the whole 'Estranged is Part IV of the Trilogy' little play on words.
I don't get why any of these songs would be about Slash, it's not like the 2 of them were fucking lovers or something. He was the lead guitarist for GNR 16 years ago. These songs could just as well be about Duff, Steven, or more likely than Slash would be Izzy. Axl had to be much closer to Izzy than any other memeber. After Izzy left during the UYI tour, didnt Axl travel completely seperate from the rest of the band??? They've all talked shit about each other over the years. I don't see where Slash was so important to Axl that his comments alone hurt Axl so bad that he wrote Sorry about Slash. Come on!!! Slash isn't that important to Axl, niether is Axl to Slash. It's over. How many of you people would write a song like Sorry, or even funnier, This I Love, about a friend (not your former best friend, just a friend, and probably not even that before the band broke up) you havn't spoken to in 14-15 years??? Come on??? What sickens me is people believeing a guy, thats not gay, wrote another song about another guy, who's not gay, about his hurt feelings.
#39 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 868 weeks ago
Can somebody hook me up with Street Of Dreams????
#40 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 869 weeks ago
CAN ANYBODY SHOOT ME A pm???
