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#31 Guns N' Roses » The Album That Never Was » 874 weeks ago

gnrfan1987-present
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When hearing "Shackler's Revenge" I can't help wishing that Axl would have gone ahead with his original plan in the late 1990's and released an industrial sounding Guns n Roses album with Buckethead, Josh Freese and the other guys who worked on those early tracks.  It's a shame Axl was so disappointed by the reception of "Oh My God" and the record company's reaction that he shelved the whole project. 

Say what you will about that particular sound, but "Shacklers'," "Oh My God," "Riyahd" and "Silkworms" sounds inspired and confident.  I think that kind of music is what Axl was honestly into at that time.  We all know he loved Nine Inch Nails.  Bottom, line he could have released "Shackler's" and those other industrial sounding songs on the abandoned 2000 Intentions album and then put all the epics on Chinese Democracy.   The way it is now SR sounds nothing like the other leaks we've heard and doesn't really fit on the 9 song Antiquiet disc.   

At this point I really wish Axl would put out a 2 CD set.  One CD featuring the more accessible, somewhat commercial leaks we've heard so far.  And a second CD filled with the experimental circa 1999 Buckethead era tracks.   Or at least he could put those songs out under his own name.  Personally I think those songs sound less labored & self conscious than the leaks.

#32 Guns N' Roses » IGN reviews "Shackler's Revenge" » 874 weeks ago

gnrfan1987-present
Replies: 21

http://music.ign.com/articles/910/910606p1.html

Guns N' Roses - "Shackler's Revenge" Review
Axl takes a trip into hyper industrio pop metal.

by Spence D.

September 16, 2008 - The hype and circumstance surrounding the eventual release of Chinese Democracy is so thick you'd need a chainsaw dosed in napalm, lit on fire, and buzzing at 33,000 RPM just to cut through it.

Axl Rose's charge to resurrect the GnR name in modern times has been plagued by the worst of all demons: delay. For whatever reasons Rose has yet to make good on his promise to release a new GnR album, other than give us a title, a few start-and-stop live shows, and "Shackler's Revenge," the first "official" release from his camp. Keep in mind that even though Rose has jumped on the Rock Bandwagon, he still has yet to announce an official release date for the album (which by all rumored accounts is finished).

Honestly it's tough to review "Shackler's Revenge" without slipping into a slight Op/Ed mode. Furthermore, it's nigh impossible to listen to the "new" GnR and not compare it to the "old" GnR. If Axl didn't want the comparisons he should have jettisoned the name and started fresh (but c'mon, GnR is nothing more than a b(r)and at this stage of the game anyway. Besides since Coke survived the whole "New" versus "Classic" debacle, chances are Rose will ride this one out as well).

To put aside all the baggage that comes with the names Axl Rose and Guns n' Roses'”if only for a moment--and judge the track on a purely musical platform, "Shackler's Revenge" sounds unforgettably dated. The core elements of the track sound as if they have been culled from early NIN, pre-Mechanical Animals Manson, and leftovers from the short-lived Nu Metal push of the late '90s. Toss in some Motley Crue circa Dr. Feelgood and some pop hooks that sound like think Bon Jovi on steroids and you've got the nuts and bolts of the song. It's rife with sorely outdated and somewhat cliché musical ideas; it sounds as if it were recorded 10 years ago, locked away in a vault, and just recently dusted off.

Driving detuned skirl licks and thickly treated wah-wah rhythm guitar kick start the whole affair. Axl's voice starts off in a low Stygian stepchild mumble that eventually fades out to a shell of his former caterwaul greatness. His voice growls, careens, and weaves around the speedball cadence of the music, grinding to the turgid beat with delayed frenzy. More often than not his trademark timbre gets buried underneath a wall of industrial tinged aural slop. Since this is a GnR track and guitar has always been at the core of any good GnR song, there is the requisite solo, albeit a brief one. Tucked into the middle of the track it's a short burst of crystalline riffage that ultimately feels just as generic as the rest of the song itself.

Despite the routine nature of "Shackler's Revenge", repeated listens eventually find the track soaking into your pores, but only because of its innocuous intent. This is meth fueled ear candy for the ADHD set and nothing more.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that "Shackler's Revenge" will be a hit on commercial radio; it's the kind of neo-generic metal-cum-industrial-cum-modern rock mash-up that the general populace has come to embrace with open arms these days (if only because that's all they're being offered on a mass scale). Additionally, at a mere 3:43 running length, it's been time-tailored perfectly for FM radio's short attention span programming style.

What made early GnR so seminal was that their music was born out of sense of desperation, depravity, and hunger (not to mention the band's well known battle with heroin and other substances). There was an urgency to the music that made it connect with the masses and still makes it relevant to this day (this is the case with all lasting music, really). And yes there was Slash, a bona fide axe slayer who embodied the sheer essence of rock 'n roll at a time when most folks had forgotten what it meant to be a rock and roll musician.

In stark contrast "Shackler's Revenge" reeks of affluence, sounding more like a one-time wizard of rock playing with ProTools and faceless hired guns in his bedroom palace, creating a song that will ultimately be a disposable hit without any legs to stand on. It's the sound of a man who no longer battles addiction, flirts with Victoria's Secret models, and plays Jagger to Slash's Richards. Instead it's the sound of a musical recluse who has lost touch with the ideals and emotions of his core audience. To this end "Shackler's Revenge" is ultimately a sad, sad song.

Once upon a time GnR were the leaders of the pack, with other bands emulating their style and sound. Now it just sounds as if Axl is grasping at musical straws. After making fans wait for more than a decade for new material, to unleash a song that sounds this slapped together is a travesty. Shouldn't the fans deserve more? After all they're the ones who made Axl famous in the first place.

#33 Guns N' Roses » FBI Arrest of GnR Blogger Backfires » 875 weeks ago

gnrfan1987-present
Replies: 19

Not sure if this has been posted yet.  I found it pretty interesting and ironic. 
http://www.gnrdaily.com/news_detail.asp?id=1552

Last month, of course, there was a big story around the FBI arresting a blogger who was accused of posting the music files from Guns N' Roses latest album. He now faces many years in jail, despite simply being a fan helping to promote GNR. As we pointed out, this was a huge mistake by GNR, as appearing anti-fan is a move that will almost always backfire.

As if to provide even more evidence of that, Bob Lefsetz does a quick email back-and-forth with Eric Garland of BigChampagne, the company that tracks file sharing activity. Garland points out that prior to the arrest, there was almost no file sharing of the album, despite the fact that the leak happened a while back. However, since the arrest, the numbers have shot way up, as the arrest has really only served to alert the public that the album is available for download on BitTorrent.

Now, the cynical among you (you know who you are) may conclude that this is all a marketing ploy by the band, knowing that it would attract a lot more attention for the album, and that's why they did it. Of course, that doesn't explain why the FBI is involved and why a fan of the band may now have to sit in jail for many years for helping to promote the band. If this really is a cynical marketing ploy, it's rather sickening that the FBI is assisting and a big fan of the band may end up in jail for it.

#34 Re: Guns N' Roses » Shacklers Revenge on the radio » 875 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:
gnrfan1987-present wrote:

I can't really see "Shackler's" being played on the radio at all.

Well, one station is playing it already, at least.

I should have said I don't see it becoming a "radio staple" like Guns n Roses Greatest Hits which are still played constantly on FM rock stations.  I remember "Oh My God" was played a lot when it first came out and then it vanished into obscurity. 

What kind of feedback has the station been getting?  (Are they doing a Pump it or dump it type thing?)

#35 Re: Guns N' Roses » Shacklers Revenge on the radio » 875 weeks ago

I can't really see "Shackler's" being played on the radio at all.  The classic rock stations won't touch it.  And alternative rock won't play it because it's Guns n Roses.  I don't think that will hurt album sales though.   The single is pretty much dead unless you are Kate Perry or one of those other one hit wonders.  I think Chinese Democracy will sell well no matter what the lead off single is. 

Even though "SR" is a great song.  It doesn't have the widespread appeal like GnR's other hits.  I remember when "You Could Be Mine" came out in 91.  The radio was all over that song.  Because it was heavy yet commercial.  "Shackler's" is more of an acquired taste.  It's definitely not mainstream.  But I still think that even after all this time is a CD is finally released that says "Guns n Roses: Chinese Democracy" it will fly out of the stores.  Just because the media's going to jump all over it and hype the shit out of the release.  Of course I don't know if Axl's ever going to pull the trigger and actually release the damn album.  If the media ever issues a ban on reporting "Chinese Democracy album news" he's screwed.

#36 Re: Guns N' Roses » What we expect from on official CD release » 875 weeks ago

harmon420 wrote:

Anyone else think that none of the 3 new songs that leaked in June will be on the album? Seems like those three were pulled out of the vault.

I think it will be the 7 we've already heard and 3-5 unheard songs. I won't be disappointed at all. I chose to hear the material before the album came out.

I think the 9 songs that leaked in June were the finished album, sequenced the way Axl wanted it.  Exactly what Geffen would have released to us sometime this year had it not been stolen by one of their employees and leaked to that Antiquiet guy.

I don't think Axl has as many finished songs ready to go as we think he does.  Remember how he told Sebastian Bach to quit telling the press he has "4 album planned."  I'm sure he's got 300 hours of rough demos & ideas.  But as far as finished tracks worthy to carry the Guns n Roses name:  I'd be really surprised if there's a whole lot left.  I hope there is.  But between Axl's perfectionism and the record company's desire to only release tracks that sound like "Guns n Roses" I don't know how much actual new music we're going to get in the end.

I think we deserve a 14 or 15 song, 75 minute Chinese Democracy considered how long we've waited.  But I'll take anything at this point.

#37 Re: Guns N' Roses » We still might get CD before X-Mas » 875 weeks ago

I hope it's true.  But a lot of respectable news outlets even bigger than USA Today have reported over the years that Chinese Democracy would be out soon and then nothing happened.   Back in 2007 everyone jumped on that March 7th date Axl pulled out his ass and we all know how that turned out.  What was that old Rolling Stone article where the critic said "I'll believe Chinese Democracy is released when I have the disc in my hands & Axl hasn't come to my house to try to take it back."  Knowing Axl's history I could see him agreeing to release the thing through Best Buy and if it gets shitty reviews, pulling it from the stores so the band can "do additional mixing" on what he considered "unfinished demos."

#38 Guns N' Roses » What we expect from on official CD release » 875 weeks ago

gnrfan1987-present
Replies: 16

I was wondering if GnR fans would be disappointed if an official version of "Chinese Democracy" was released before Christmas that basically featured the 9 leaked songs from Antiquiet plus "Shackler's Revenge?"  I personally think what we heard in June was what Axl planned for Geffen to release eventually as Chinese Democracy.  But since that version was leaked they dusted off "Shackler's Revenge" from the studio archives to spark renewed interest in the record. 

Would people be disappointed with only getting a 10 song, appx 50 minute long Guns n Roses album after the 15 year wait?  Or would longtime fans just be happy that Chinese Democracy is actually done & in the stores, so Axl can get on with his life and musical career? 

Considering the tracks "Chinese Democracy," "Madagascar," "Riyadh & The Bedouins" and "The Blues" have been circulating in live form since 2001.  And "Better," "I.R.S." and "There Was A Time" have been around for 3 years, the only actual "new" tracks we'd be hearing are "Prostitute (new song 2)," "If The World" and "Shackler's Revenge."  I personally hope Axl fills out the remaning 15 minutes of space on the CD with some brand new tracks:  "Thyme," "General," "This I Love," or anything in the vein of "Shacker's Revenge" which is killer.   

Of course Axl and his management could always claim "all this music is new.  If you downloaded the leaks it's your fault these songs sound old."  Of course over half of them were performed live by the band so I guess people shouldn't have attended the concerts either.  Since the live versions we heard aren't that different than the studio ones. 

What do you all think?

#39 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Album Timeline » 875 weeks ago

Gagarin wrote:

The Dust n Bones list! I'm on that! I was there!
The admin got to listen to songs in late 1999!

OH - and this is great! All the "Axl never said any dates before, technically" people are stupid - he did, there is a reason why people have been tuned in for so long - it's perpetually been on the horizon. Yeah, I'm living my life, and I'm not twidling my thumbs waiting (on my worst days I post on GNR forums too much), but still - it's not like we're crazy. It's always been on the horizon and "close"...

Yeah the GnR management team and Axl himself have been dangling this record in front of us like a carrot for the last 10 years.   If they want fans to stop bitching about the delays and chasing after leaks they should stop putting out press releases that make empty promises.  If Axl or his management could just be honest and say "You'll see it when you see it" instead of repeatadly stating things like "you'll hear it soon," "the forthcoming album" and "we're putting the finishing touches on the album right now."  Why tease your fans year after year with something that you obviously have no intention of releasing and don't want anyone to hear?  It borders on cruelty.

#40 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Album Timeline » 875 weeks ago

sic. wrote:

Anyway, it's a rather big undertaking and definitely the most comprehensive timeline I've seen (if not made myself wink), and I've seen a few.

Thanks.  I appreciate it.  I completely missed the "GnR in the Year" drop box on the right hand side.  Still trying to get used to the new forum layout.  I just noticed one of the Sticky posts is "Chinese Democracy" rumors.  I'll read through both when I get a chance to see if I missed anything.    A lot of my information in the timeline comes from the Here Today Gone To Hell news archive.   I couldn't believe some of the quotes I found in there.

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