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#31 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 671 weeks ago
Weezer isn't better than Nirvana. Come on. You can make a solid argument for REM/Stipe though.
All a matter of opinion I guess. Me I'd prefer listening to Weezer. At least lately. And while we're discussing. I'd even say that Dave Grohl is better than Cobain. Yeah I said it.
#32 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 672 weeks ago
I forgot to list REM/Michael Stipe...miles better than Cobain. I actually think of Cobain as a poor man's Michael Stipe...their writing styles were pretty similar (simple music, catchy hooks, nonsensical lyrics), but obviously REM has a much larger body of work.
Cobain became overrated the second he died. That's what happens. Death makes you 100 times better than you actually were (see Amy Winehouse). Again, doesn't mean he sucks and he clearly belongs in the top 50 somewhere even if you don't like his music. Probably in the upper half of the top 50. That's pretty damn good.
You mention Weezer after Pinkerton, but I wasn't a big fan of the last Nirvana album either. Who's to say he was not washed up creatively? And you think Cobain was a better songwriter than Billy Joel? What is your basis for that? Not which do you like better...that's a different question. What makes Cobain a better songwriter than Billy Joel? The guy adapted and changed styles from piano man to rock singer to pop singer over a 20+ year career and stayed at the top. Just because you may not like his music doesn't take away from his abilities as a songwriter.
I forgot Stipe as well. Thanks Buzzsaw. Weezer are better than Nirvana as well I think. To say that Cobain is superior to Joel is laughable. And I agree. Death makes one better. A shame really. I remember when Whinehouse died and she instantly became a legend and well let's just say she was not that good. Ad even closer. Whitney Houston. After her death, she became such a wonderful person. Now the woman could sing. But to say she was a fantastic human being and mother could be stretching it. After all she did become a drug addict well after her mid twenties. So she certainly can't blame this one on youth. Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that drug addicts are not good people. But is she was such a wonderful woman then she'd have quit drugs a long time ago for her kids sake.
#33 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 672 weeks ago
Others who I think are better than Cobain. Mayhard James Keenan (Although I wish he'd put out more music), Axl Rose (lyrically), James Hetfield, Roy Orbison (underrated in my opinion), Jack White, Chris Cornell. ANd again I did not think about it much. And while we're discussing overrated people I'll throw another name. Billy Corgan. Now THAT is overrated and he sucks unlike Cobain.
#34 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 672 weeks ago
holy fuck this thread just gets funnier. zomg billy joel?! rob thomas?
rivers cuomo? have you even listened to weezer post-pinkerton?!Sky Dog wrote:forgot about Lou Reed, Prince, and Brian Wilson...all above Cobain in my opinion. Cobain is certainly in the discussion and would probably fall somewhere in the top 15....
well forget about reed/wilson in this cause, again, like i said i was talking about what came AFTER dylan.
re: gnfnraxl
uh.. In Utero is their best album.this page has really brought the lulz. i can't stop smiling.
in a way i do feel sorry for some of you. you're missing out on so much. but at the same, youse are so funny it makes up for it. brilliant.
I'm missing out on so much? Missing out on what? I have Nirvana's records. Listened to them. What am I missing? Is it because I think Nevermind is better than In Utero? It's all a matter of tastes. Just like some people prefer the Illusions albums. Personally I prefer Appetite. And yes Reed, Wilson and Prince are all better than Cobain. Hell Michael Jackson was better than Cobain. And I agree with buzzsaw on his post. without putting much thought I think I could come up with plenty of songwriters that are better than Cobain. Does it mean he sucks? Hell no! Just means that he ain't in the top ten and was overrated. But that is MY OPINION. I respect yours and enjoy debating. But saying that I'm missing out on something is weak as an argument in this case because I did NOT miss out on Nirvana. I just did not enjoy their music as much as some did and I do not let Cobain's death influence my decision on how I enjoy his work.
#35 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 672 weeks ago
@johndivney True that PJ and Nirvana are two very different beasts but doesn't change that PJ was better than Nirvana and that Cobain is overrated big time. And he proved it. They never were able to make another album as good as Nevermind. And don't throw the Unplugged album argument. That was a live album and yes while it did capture one amazing night it cannot be compared to an album of new material. And the fact that there was a rampant commercialization of his image since his death has NOTHING to do with the fact that he was overrated. His guitar playing was mediocre and I will tell you a true story. The very first time I heard and saw the video for Smells like teen spirit I thought it was a joke. I thoought that this was something similar to Weird Al Yankovic. A band that was mocking hard rock music. And I'll always remember being in shock when the VJ said it was the next big thing. And again go back and listen to Nevermind. It has not aged well at all. To compare Cobain to the likes of Dylan (who by the way I am not a fan of), Hank Williams and Johnny Cash is simply morally wrong. And again I need to stress that I am more a fan of Cobain than I am of Dylan.
#36 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 672 weeks ago
Sky Dog wrote:Hank Williams, Woody Guthrie, Johnny Cash and a bunch of others (to start) are better than Cobain. Now, I would say Cobain is one of our greatest american "hard rock" songwriters.
Hell, what about Hendrix for fuck's sake? I dig Cobain...lyrics and guitar playing. Like Jimi, he was a one man gang. But, he wasn't Hendrix.
well what i think i actually said was kurt was the greatest american songwriter this side of dylan. he definitely belongs in the same class as HW & Woody & a few others like i said before. but what i shoulda said was he was the greatest this side of Townes, cause he's the really the only guy worth mentioning in the same breath.
in terms of Jimi. well, Jimi's a talent apart.
i don't think his talent necessarily resided in his song-writing, tho he wrote a bagful of great songs. but he was just as brilliant if not better an interpreter of other songs & elevating them, as well as being a riff-master & guitar hero. Jimi exuded & embodied that rock n roll gypsy soul better than anyone cause he captured it in his sound better than anyone, rather than just his lifestyle. but he didn't craft as many Great songs as the greatest songwriters in his time. Kurt did.re: apex twin, i purposefully didn't mention neil, or joni, or robbie robertson for that matter, cause they're not American american, y'know? Neil IS prob the 2nd greatest guy ever in rock n roll, whatever way you wanna cut it as a songwriter or rocker or even guitarist. but he's canadian so he doesn't count in this regard.
I get grilled a lot for saying what I'm about to say but I truly believe it to be true. Cobain has been extremely highly overrated since his death. If Cobain was alive today he would not be so higly praised. Thus Nirvana are overrated because of his death. Pearl Jam were and are way better than Nirvana ever were. Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Nirvana completely sucked. They were good and Nevermind was a good album. But they were not superior to the rest and Nevermind is NOT the greatest album of all times. Matter of fact I'm not sure it would be in my top ten or even top 20.
#37 Re: The Sunset Strip » Fantasy Band Draft » 672 weeks ago
I'm surprised that Neil Peart was picked this late. He's only one if not the greatest drummers and writes great songs.
#38 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 673 weeks ago
gnfnraxl wrote:russtcb wrote:Hey, speaking of which
Hidden Text:Well Russ I think that was the intention all along.
Hidden Text:Well then, very well played to you!
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Well I much prefer the road taken here then another reboot.
#39 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 674 weeks ago
Hey, speaking of which
Hidden Text:
Well Russ I think that was the intention all along.
#40 Re: The Sunset Strip » The BATMAN Thread » 674 weeks ago
Wellé To answer Bono.
