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#381 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ Ashba: Buckethead Took the Coolness Out of the Band » 246 weeks ago

FlashFlood wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

If we were to rank replacement members in the band surely DJ would come last? Maybe Frank is in the mix but that's not his fault.

I’m no fan of DJ, but how is he anymore out there than Melissa?

Were you upset about Teddy Zig Zag? I actually think Melissa brings valuable backup vocals for Axl. Don’t care what she does on the electronics.

Yeah, Melissa's vocals add a nice layer of texture to the songs.

#382 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash: GNR has not written any new music, everything completed is CD 2 » 247 weeks ago

metallex78 wrote:
AgesOfTheIce wrote:

I fully expect Atlas/reworked OMG.

I would’ve said no way to OMG being redone, due to Axl saying back when it came out that Duff and Slash weren’t interested in working on the song.

But after we’ve gotten Slash playing Silkworms with Absurd, I’d say anything is on the table now.

Yeah. Of the demo tracks, the ones that just need a spit and polish are Perhaps, Atlas Shrugged, Oh My God and State of Grace (they need some actual lyrics for that shouty bit, mind). They could probably do something with Eye On You, too, it just needs verse lyrics.

And if Axl can work up some lyrics (or already has done) then Quicksong and Oaklahaoma come into play. I also like Zodiac 13, but that one feels a bit on the industrial borderline for Slash to work on (then again, as you said, if he's done Absurd then anything's on the table).

#383 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ Ashba: Buckethead Took the Coolness Out of the Band » 247 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Doing something different was exactly what nu gnr needed. They could never recreate the magic of the old band so why try? Axl had the right idea, but unfortunately the rest of the world sort of killed it.

If he had been able to truck on with that lineup until the fanbase got used to it I think they could have reaped great rewards. It's much easier to forget the old band when you turn up as something completely different, yet good. With Ashba and Co it pretty soon turned into a nostalgia band and the question then becomes "why not just bring back Slash?".

Yup. There was genuine curiosity about the new line-up, and in Buckethead they had an iconic figure who could act as a focus of attention in the same way as Slash (it's telling that even half a decade later, casuals, magazine articles and comedians were still referencing "the guy in the KFC bucket" long after he was out of the band). You need someone who's recognisable by their silhouette.

If they'd sorted out their management, got the record company behind the new band and CD, and coordinated their promo, there were a couple of opportunities to redefine GN'R as the CD line-up.

1) VMAs 2002. If Axl's voice had been in shape, and they'd come out of the gates with a one-two punch of Chinese Democracy and TWAT, or WTTJ and Better, or something, instead of that bizarre WTTJ/Madagascar/Paradise City medley. Songs where you showcase each of the lead guitarists and their unique tone, basically, and unapologetically blast out some new stuff. And then say, "The album is out in x weeks."

2) The 2006 tour. If they'd managed to retain Buckethead, and the continuity of the new line-up. As it was, frantically subbing in Bumblefoot left everyone confused, and started the "revolving door" of guitarists. Promo was completely fucked by the time they got around to doing the Better video; it was "introducing" like seven band members, and the two lead guitarists were no longer in the band by that point. Bumblefoot, for all his guitar skills, just wasn't as iconic a figure as Buckethead. And Robin and Fortus' idea of just sticking with two guitarists was terrible. Yes, they could play the songs, but by that point the public had latched onto Buckethead as the defining figure of nu GN'R, and his absence could only leave the band looking diminished.

But Axl's voice was on top form, and with a stable line-up (which meant coherent promo) and an album release they would've killed it.

#384 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ Ashba: Buckethead Took the Coolness Out of the Band » 247 weeks ago

Ashba… I'm not quite sure how to articulate it but there's something off about him. He's a poseur, aping Slash's performance but without the soul. It's kind of like comparing Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker to Jared Leto's performance. The former is effortless, the latter a try-hard desperately trying to look edgy in Hot Topic gear.

#385 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash: GNR has not written any new music, everything completed is CD 2 » 247 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

I will be interested to hear what slash and duff added to the other songs.

On the other tracks it sounded like they just muted the old guitars and recorded slash over - which while cool isn't as much as I would like to see Slash do on some of the others. Like Atlas to me was the basis of a really cool song - but it's current structure without anything else it sort of went no-where - it was a bit like if we'd heard estranged with no slash guitars. What I'd like to see is slash add stuff to them properly...like add in a new guitar melody to go with the verses or a new bridge or something but I think the nature of this project (keeping most of the existing instruments etc) means we won't see too much of that.

Some of the songs like State of Grace I think will be great to have finished though.

I guess i'm saying i'm fine that they're doing CD2 songs, by wish is that it was more collaborative creatively - but from the last batch it was more like Slash and Duff took a finished song, and just covered the bass/guitar parts and left it otherwise.

I'm not sure that's entirely fair. I mean, with Hard Skool they clearly stripped out the extended intro and rejigged the structure, and I'm prepared to bet that was all Duff ("Why is there a minute of guitar noodling at the start? Drum crash, bass line, off we go.").

#386 Re: Guns N' Roses » UYI Box set coming 2022 » 250 weeks ago

James wrote:
Sky Dog wrote:

For sure the EP punk cover with Izzy has to be included because it was a real part of those sessions…Spaghetti was too well polished.

Looking back on this period, it was honorable to let that charity album have Civil War exclusively but was a mistake in hindsight.

The fact it entered heavy rotation on Rock and top 40 stations gave little incentive to buy it...and many places didn't have it for long.

Should've released it as a single so it could properly chart and it allows the possibility of Down on the Farm as a B side.

They could've released it as a single to promote the charity album, with the profits going to the charity.

#387 Re: Guns N' Roses » UYI Box set coming 2022 » 251 weeks ago

James wrote:
Izzyjim wrote:
Scabbie wrote:

Are there any unreleased tracks from the UYI era that could be released as singles?

Crash diet? big_smile

Not a proper GNR song....same with Bring It Back Home and Just Another Sunday.

Axl and West Arkeen demos.

I guess they could still use them but it's probably unlikely.

I dunno, if they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for additional material they could do a cheeky re-record like they did with Shadow of Your Love.

#388 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash: GNR has not written any new music, everything completed is CD 2 » 258 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

#GunsNRoses was trending on Twitter today and I have no idea why.

Maybe because of the crowd deaths at the Travis Scott gig? People were throwing up comparisons all day to responsible artists who stopped shows to allow the crowd room to breathe. Of course, GN'R famously had those crowd deaths at Donington, and Axl inciting a riot in St Louis… but they also had multiple instances of Axl stopping the show and telling the crowd to "take two steps back".

#389 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SMKC new single out 22nd October » 260 weeks ago

jimmythegent wrote:

I just can't get into this generic cock rock stuff he has hung his hat on. The solo album in 2010 with the myriad of different singers was the last time he sounded remotely inspired (bar Absurd and Hard Skool) - make's me wonder if there were a host of professional song writers in behind the scenes - it of course helps having A-list singers and producers on deck

To me it's just a reminder of what each of the OG members brought to the table, and why they all needed to be present to make the magic happen.

Slash: Cock rock, Aerosmith, bluesy rock licks.
Duff: Punk, Prince-style funk, plus nascent Seattle grunge scene energy.
Izzy: Rolling Stones.
Steven: Loosey-goosey Van Halen-esque "happy rock" feel.
Axl: Queen, Elton John.

You can just about get away with losing Steven because you've still got the Duff punk-funk energy and Izzy's Stones-style rhythm.

But with the departure of Izzy and Steven you can see Axl taking more of a lead, so the pendulum starts to swing towards Queen/Elton John style Big Piano Ballads on UYI. That reaches its apotheosis with Chinese Democracy, where it's like 90% piano-driven epics with overblown layers of production.

With the new stuff, you can hear Duff throwing in some slick, snaky bass licks with that Rocket Queen energy (1:55 in Absurd, the intro and 2:55 in Hard Skool). You've obviously got Slash throwing down his signature licks, which he could do in his sleep at this point. But it's missing Izzy's Keef-esque complementary rhythms. If you listen to the riffs at 1:23 in Ghost, off the first Slash solo album, you can see how Izzy's laying down a choppy counter-rhythm that fleshes out the sound of the song.

And that's missing on Hard Skool – the rhythm (Fortus? Huge? Who fucking knows at this point) is just playing essentially the same riff as Slash. So it just sort of chugs along. And that's leaving aside the chugging drums that everyone whinges about, which I'm assuming were Frank – Brain, at least, brought that Adler swing to the band.

So, yeah, I like Hard Skool, but you can see wasted potential in it.

Anyway, as you were, back to discussing the solo album.

#390 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash: GNR has not written any new music, everything completed is CD 2 » 260 weeks ago

It's truly hilarious how much material spun out of those CD sessions while Axl was fucking about. Buckethead and Tommy's solo stuff, Black Label Society, A Perfect Circle... and 14 GN'R songs.

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