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#342 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN’R 2022 Tour Thread » 224 weeks ago

Here's Civil War, where he switches over to the lower register halfway through:

#343 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN’R 2022 Tour Thread » 224 weeks ago

vipicius wrote:

I haven't seen other songs from yesterday, but Nightrain with lower register was really good. Better than mickey, who was very weak in these last shows.

The irony is, allegedly the reason they were late on was Axl was apparently having anxiety issues over his voice going. But he sounds ten times better in the lower register! I'll take low growly Axl over the "right" notes in a Mickey voice any day. Either stick with this, or take the songs and transpose them to a lower key so he can sing the "old" vocal lines.

#344 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN’R 2022 Tour Thread » 224 weeks ago

Axl had to sing in his lower register last night, and it sounded a lot better.

Honestly I don't know why they don't just tune down a half step the whole time anyway, but this is perfectly reasonable and gets rid of the Mickey Mouse issue. Plus you've got Melissa to carry the high vocal line in the backing vocals.

#345 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN’R 2022 Tour Thread » 225 weeks ago

Well, by some miracle I managed to get a refund from Ticketmaster.

Show was pretty good; Axl and the band were on form, but they started late so they just blasted through the hits with no deep cuts. They even cut YCBM! One day I'll get to hear them play fucking Madagascar or TWAT...

Fortus was buried in the mix for the first few songs, Axl stopped Estranged halfway through to ask the audience is they could actually hear him. And Carrie Underwood turned up for SCOM and PC.

#346 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN’R 2022 Tour Thread » 225 weeks ago

Sooo I've got a ticket for the Friday London show going spare, anyone want it?

#347 Re: Guns N' Roses » What is your favorite song on CD? » 225 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

Yeah it would be interesting.

I always think the whole thing would be different if Robin had not originally been the lead guy. Not saying he can never do a lead some of his stuff suits the new songs well. But he never had the chops to be lead player on the old material.

I would have put him in the Izzy role....that is Rhythm player who contributes new material, sure give him the odd lead line on the CD songs, but like Richard his main role is to be the rhythm guy. Then hire a monster player to be Slash and give that guy EVERY lead. Like a buckethead (although his image was an issue), a bumble, or maybe someone with more of a blues-shred background like Doug Aldrich. Slash's role is to be the guitar hero of the group...so it just works better having 1 dude in that role not splitting it into 2/3.

The thing is Robin is an interesting lead player; I'd love to see him in a Zeppelin/Queen-esque set-up where there's only one guitarist who gets to define the entire sound of the band. But in a GN'R setting where there's a weight of expectation as to how the band should sound, I'm not sure it entirely clicks. And I say that as a Robin fan who loves his contributions.

So you either go with the original plan – Robin as the only lead player, a complete change of direction for the sound, and wave goodbye to all those epic Buckethead solos that are outside of his comfort zone. Or you accept that Finck would be wasted on rhythm and go with a Fortus/Buckethead combo.

But then you run into the problem of Buckethead not really clicking with the other band members (Tommy in particular). Basically, a two-guitar setup with Fortus and Buckethead was probably the winning combo, but I'm not sure it would've lasted in any case, just because of the personalities involved.

Ironically the setup that would've probably been most acceptable to GN'R fans from the off would've been Fortus on lead and someone else on rhythm. Fortus has a look and feel that isn't alienating to GN'R fans, he can shred, etc etc. But by the time he auditioned, Axl had found Buckethead and had the bit between his teeth...

#348 Re: Guns N' Roses » What are your opinions of HS and Absurd? » 225 weeks ago

Absurd: Utterly baffling that this was the song they used to announce their return.

Slash and Duff have really elevated it musically, but the repeated lyrics are irritating. Songs are usually structured to build outwards from the initial lyric, like a fractal; just repeating the first verse over and over feels counterintuitive. And they haven't even used some of the additional lyrics that we know exist from earlier demos and live performances, in order to add variety.

If it were me, I would've structured it something like this:
[Verse]
Listen, motherfuckers, to the song that should be heard
Back down in the gutter is more than you deserve
Screaming fucking banshee, you know that’s what you are
Pussy full of maggots, isn’t that absurd?

[Chorus]
Absurd
Absurd
Absurd

[Verse]
Dizzy little dreamer with your head down in the stars
Fucking little schemer lost yourself inside the art
Syphilitic priestess baby, I know who you are
Parasitic demon sucking acid through your heart

[Chorus]
What can I do?
With a bitch like you…

[Chorus]
All I have I ask of you
I'll be damned
If it's not true
Every word of you
A bitch like you

[Chorus]
Absurd
Absurd
Absurd

[Bridge]
Just another life slips away

[Refrain]
Listen, motherfuckers, to the song that should be heard
Back down in the gutter is more than you deserve
Screaming fucking banshee you know that’s what you are
Pussy full of maggots, isn’t that absurd?

[Chorus]
Absurd
Absurd
Absurd

Hard Skool: Solid song, should've been the first one out the gates. I really like it. I know the use of the "aah-aahs" from one of the other demos irritates fans, but honestly if we hadn't had the leaks no one would've known. The drums are a bit plodding on the final release; they really should've used the drums from the original demo, which are much more dynamic and interesting.

#349 Re: Guns N' Roses » What is your favorite song on CD? » 225 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

As much as 2001 went wrong...I think 2006 was a criminal waste too.

Remember the vibe back then. People were excited.

The surprise Eddie Trunk radio chat got legitimate interest from people.

Hammerstein Ballroom shows got a lot of attention. Fans were into it. Axl was sounding good.

There was a legit moment for something good to happen there. The shows were good....but there was just nothing...it was like 2 years of cool shows where the set progressively got less CD themed (TWAT went away etc) and then at the end of the tour an absolutely painful silence until the album drop with 2008.

Which was done with absolutely nothing. For another whole year.

I mean it was never going to be the old band, but the songs are good, and the 2006 era band could deliver. It's a shame it didn't get a proper shot. Least we got some good proshots I guess.

The fatal mistake in 2006 was not moving heaven and Earth to get Buckethead back. Ron was good, but he's not iconic in the same way Buckethead and Slash are, and it reinforced the idea that GN'R was a revolving-door operation where Axl needed three guitarists to replace Slash. It introduced delays as Axl felt obliged to add Ron to the album, but he still wanted to respect Bucket's contributions/couldn't bring himself to lose Bucket's guitar parts, so you end up with this Chinese stew of bits and pieces.

And it fucked the promo; you can no longer bill the band as a stable, coherent line-up, the "new GN'R," instead it's a chaotic attempt to replace Slash that's constantly in flux because "Axl can't find anyone good enough." The Better video now needs re-editing to include Bumblefoot, but it's got Buckethead on it as though he was still a current member. Casual viewers will be wondering how many fucking guitarists this band has in it. And then Robin bails and you face the prospect of re-editing the thing again to include DJ Ashba and it looks like there are five guitarists in the band, for crying out loud.

If Buckethead had been there in 2006, the post-Slash era of GN'R would've looked very different.

#350 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN’R 2022 Tour Thread » 226 weeks ago

Axl S wrote:
elevendayempire wrote:

Christ, why would they keep Absurd over Hard Skool?

My gueess would be because it's a much easier song for him to sing.

James wrote:

Hmm...makes me wonder if they're removing it to open the slot for an upcoming new song.

If one or two new songs are on tap this tour, something has to be ditched....and it won't be the 30 year old songs.

You're giving me false hope for the show I'm seeing in a couple of weeks. I'll be kind of pissed if they drop Hard Skool and don't replace it with something new also.

Maybe they bust out Oh My God, they've had that video with the lyrics playing during YCBM for ages now.

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