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#3191 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R Twitter Updates » 814 weeks ago
We're getting near a line with the Beta comments now.
lol
just a wee joke..:P
#3192 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron Visiting Israel For Benefit Show » 814 weeks ago
disappointing
ideally I would prefer GnR & GnR members to abstain from playing concerts in Israel..
#3193 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » It's a story of a man.... » 814 weeks ago
best song ever
#3194 Re: Guns N' Roses » Great Axl & Kurt article » 814 weeks ago
whoa, hey Dirt's maybe in my top 10 of all time (it certainly was the last time i drafted such a list - #8 or so i think - tho In Utero was prob top 5), maybe so is badmotorfinger on a good day.
but neither of them touch even the worst song kurt wrote. not one iota of one song on either record is imbued with the magic that kurt had.
i see what u mean about their influences relating to genres & you're probably correct in that AIC were more influential on the rock genre, but nirvana dipped their toes into so many more genres & had impact in many more places & in the industry & SOCIETY that it's not even fair to compare them. Nirvana did help hearlded a generational shift in the way the beatles & the stones did - if it weren't for Nirvana & Kurt being so fucking trendy the 'grunge' scene would never have taken flight & impacted the way it did.
there's no two ways about it Kurt & Nirvana were the leading lights of the bands in terms of their cultural impact, but also in terms of the quality of their material.
even if kurt was still around playing the same game as the recently reformed AiC or even behaving like Axl, Kurt woulda have a stockpile of scintilating songs - not that they were ever original or envelope pushing, that wasn't the point of nirvana or my post. the point was that kurt wrote simple & simply amazing songs & there's no evidence to suggest he wouldn't have gone on to collect a catalogue of songs that stand alongside the very very best american songwriters - that's what i'm getting at here & that's the difference between a really great rock band like AiC/Soundgarden & one of the greatest geniuses that rock music has ever produced, the songwriting ability of kurt (plus the performances to deliver those songs) is where his brilliance & importance lies.
#3195 Re: Guns N' Roses » Great Axl & Kurt article » 814 weeks ago
Nirvana changed absolutely NOTHING about music, other than leaving music fans having to clean up all the cum left on the couch by music critics and wanna be "suicide commiters"
The biggest game changer in the grunge scene was Alice In Chains. Their presence left the biggest impact musically, despite not getting near the deserved props as Nirvana, seeing how AIC could destroy Nirvana on every level as a band. But Dirt, Ten, Badmotorfinger - ALL - are vastly better albums than anything Nirvana ever did.
so much wrong in here.
i do agree with being continually bemused by the reaction to OIAM. even 25 years on people still latch onto it as a means of attacking the band/axl, failing to recognise the merits of the song & lyrics.
but nirvana were a game changer. maybe not so much with the whole post-grunge scene, but kurts constant hype of underground artists brought a hell of a lot of bands to the attn of millions of others & that inpact, of alt/indie rock, has just mushroomed since the moment SLTS detonated on MTV. for better & for worse (nickleback) Nirvana changed a whole fucking lot about music.
AIC were a terrific band, who's material varied across the rock spectrum. but so did nirvana & kurt - bleach is simply one of the great grunge/metal albums of the 80s, hands fucking down: love buzz, school, BLEW, NEGATIVE CREEP, floyd the barber & of course About a Girl are all fucking classics & that's before you get to the pop-rock MASTERPIECE that is NVRMND & the all-encompassing genius of In Utero & the deathly blues acoustic Unplugged/ no way could AIC destroy Nirvana on any level - Grohl's work on NVRMND/In Utero is Bonham-esque in it's undeniable glory. Kurt's vocals are utterly sublime & as a tunesmith, particularly the direction he was heading with Dumb (which was a really old song) & Pennyroyal Tea & All Apologies (in particular, i keep going back to this song as a shining example & it really is my fave early 90s non-Estranged song), it's clear that he had long left Cantrell with his handful of regurgatated ideas well behind. Listen to the difference between the last few songs of Nirvana's Unplugged & their first two songs off Bleach & tell me how AIC even came close to covering as much ground & maintaining flawless quality - even listen to Baclk Gives Way to Blue & it's still the same old Cantrell numbers/themes.
there is simply no chance Ten/Superunknown or even Badmotorfinger (the only real album from the other big three seattle bands that could justifiably rival the quality of Nirvana) come close to the brilliance & IMPACT of nirvana's releases.
#3196 Re: Guns N' Roses » Great Axl & Kurt article » 815 weeks ago
johndivney wrote:tejastech08 wrote:"Hip" does not mean better. Zeppelin kicks the shit out of the Pixies and any of the other "hip" groups you care to name, including Nirvana.
i don't give a shit who kicks what & i never inferred hip meant better.
simply, it's easier for nirvana/kurt to be accepted 'cause they had influences that were considered 'cool' especially amongst music journalists at the turn of the 80s/early 90's when having a background in hardcore or indie music meant a lot more cred than overproduced dinosaur dadrock that axl was using as his influences.
a lot of the time axl is less zeppelin more liberace. he isn't cool and aloof, mysical & heavy like zep, he's a primadonna entrall to an age of rock star that doesn't exist anymore.The thing is Axl always liked idie bands or bands that were not widely known. Axl was way ahead of the curve on bands like NIN, Radiohead and Soundgarden.
maybe as far as you're concerned, he wasn't ahead of me on the curve.. i was already down the back straight by the time axl popped up at the RH gig..
he's always had a varied palette but it's his more archaic touchstones that get mentioned in relation to him, due to the anti-axl slant of the media. of course they're not gonna give him credit for being onboard 'hip' bands, because Hipsters don't like axl & Hipsters (& jews) run the music media..
#3197 Re: Guns N' Roses » Great Axl & Kurt article » 815 weeks ago
johndivney wrote:kurt defo has cooler influences tho - i mean he's uber hip growing up with Black Flag/Bad Brains/SY/Pixies whereas Axl is kinda lumbered with 70's pretentious classic rock & 80's hair metal like Elton John/ELO/RATT..
"Hip" does not mean better. Zeppelin kicks the shit out of the Pixies and any of the other "hip" groups you care to name, including Nirvana.
i don't give a shit who kicks what & i never inferred hip meant better.
simply, it's easier for nirvana/kurt to be accepted 'cause they had influences that were considered 'cool' especially amongst music journalists at the turn of the 80s/early 90's when having a background in hardcore or indie music meant a lot more cred than overproduced dinosaur dadrock that axl was using as his influences.
a lot of the time axl is less zeppelin more liberace. he isn't cool and aloof, mysical & heavy like zep, he's a primadonna entrall to an age of rock star that doesn't exist anymore.
#3198 Re: Guns N' Roses » Great Axl & Kurt article » 815 weeks ago
i think if he hadda survived, nirvana's popularity would have ebbed & flowed & eventually got to the stage where cobain found some kind of comfort and compromise (even if it meant hiding out n laying low for a number of years like axl).
eventually he'd have created a(nother) blues-based masterpiece. imo his future lay in stuff like Dumb & more specifically All Apologies. i think the biggest waste of talent/potential in rock isn't actually jimi but kurt. his outrageous songwriting talent was only getting better as he got older & there is a vast collection of great songs we'll never get cause he blew his brains out.
In Utero would probably be in my top 5 of all time. certainly top 10-15.
amazing vocalist, the guy used feedback better than ANY other guitarist & the pictures he painted with his lyrics are as detailed and majestic as only the greatest (folk) singer songwriters - dylan/young.
the media & kurts manipulation/use of the media certainly did axl no favours - but at the time axl wasn't doing his own cred good either: blowing obscene budgets on promos/after-gig parties, causing riots.. it woulda been a lot harder for kurt to come out n say, "y'know give axl a break he's p fucked up" of course he's gonna say "axl's an idiot" 'cause most people (& still do) thought that..
there defo are similarities between the two that get forgotten about in the race to contrast them.. they are two fucked-up trailer trash kids who turned out some of the most amazing rock songs ever.
kurt defo has cooler influences tho - i mean he's uber hip growing up with Black Flag/Bad Brains/SY/Pixies whereas Axl is kinda lumbered with 70's pretentious classic rock & 80's hair metal like Elton John/ELO/RATT..
#3199 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R Twitter Updates » 815 weeks ago
axl should have her do backing vocals on something.
maybe the re-recorded RQ..
#3200 Re: Guns N' Roses » proshot HOB » 815 weeks ago
we, or rather anyone who isn't me, should start an internet campaign bombing gnr & gnr associated twitters with requests to release some blu-ray's n shit.
it's so stupid. i mean here are a legion of fans willing to give you there money for your product.. so release something good & people will give you money.. wtf is so complicated..
