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#311 Re: Guns N' Roses » **Kevin Cogill Who Leaked 9 GnR Songs Arrested Today** » 877 weeks ago
Why not accept responsibility. I have read so many posts in several forums and the same thing pisses me off, Axl reportedly played the album at different parties, thats so fucking dumb, and it would only be a matter of time before someone recorded them and let the fans hear it.
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#312 Re: Guns N' Roses » Can Guns learn from Metallica? » 878 weeks ago
a little off topic but does anyone agree that the new Metallica single ranks 10 out of 10 on the 'meh' factor? not great but not bad, sure i am biased as fuck, however if it was great i'd say it was great, if it was shit i'd say it was shit. i think i can safely say: every leak spanks it and then makes it its 4 year old love slave.
#313 Re: Guns N' Roses » you know what would be awesomebeing played live, i could se » 878 weeks ago
best title
#314 Guns N' Roses » you know what would be awesomebeing played live, i could se » 878 weeks ago
- Captain Winkler
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shackler's revenge/chicken dinner being played live, i could see myself orgasming at the very sound. yea it was worth making a thread.
#315 Re: Guns N' Roses » An interesting topic, what would happen if axl... » 878 weeks ago
The thing is Axl's vocals nor lyrics are as good on the CD stuff in general than it was on the UYI stuff. And, I personally take Axl's lyrics with a grain of salt because generally everything he sings about he does the opposite in his personal actions. I ask, though, what should Slash do that will make him more broad of a guitarist? We know he can do it anyways, all the performers he's played with has proven this; so what is there to prove? Even if Slash was in GNR right now, he wouldn't be making electronic sounds, that's be Axl's bag, so how could he grow? He'd just be playing the guitar and I hear little to nothing on the CD leaks that Slash hasn't done similarly and better. Bands don't generally constantly shift genres, musicians get their other loves out of their system with live performances and ventures with others and focus on what they love on their own work. That's why he worked with Lenny Kravitz, because he had this cool riff that Lenny liked, but Slash thought it was too funky for Guns. What hasn't Slash done in the world of Rock N' Roll? Slash even said he'd have done an industrial record with Guns if everyone was on the same page, but it just never worked like that. Axl's been making industrial music (because he is interested in it) to an extent dating all the way back to My World. If the last nearly 20 years haven't made industrial music a part his comfort zone, I don't know what would.
I think you're comparing apples to oranges when talking about Axl Vs. Slash. Axl is a control freak singer who now has a band that he 100% controls and every sound goes his way. Slash is a guitarist and doesn't work like that as his bands are more collective.
TheMole: His book. I'm sure it was Black Sheep that he said he joined to shred just to try to get noticed between bands. If you have his book handy and want proof, there's a pic of Slash with a guitar and smoke hanging out of his mouth (it's b&w) and there's a caption "Slash shredding it up with Black Sheep."
ask slash to compose anything like the solos on shackler's or riyadh and he'd sit there scratching his top hat wondering what the fuck is going on. he has never done anything similar to those solos or riffs. could you provide a source for this supposed "slash would do an industrial record with GNR"? i doubt that, because it seems like utter BS.
to say Axl's lyrics on chinese demo are bad is well ignorant to be polite, it seems that your lack of appreciation for Axl and the new band is far more deep seeded than simply not digging the new material.
I love Slash, i love his work, and he seems like a decent guy, but hes a media whore and the darling of every rock journalist going around, and you seem to be swept up in this Slash worshiping anti-Axl vibe that has been produced, mainly due to sensational journalism and a lack of actual information on the situation. there is no doubting that Axl is eccentric and at times over-bearing and tedious to deal with, but to heap all the blame on Axl is just ridiculous. whether hes credible or not, Scott weiland has even been quoted as saying, having been in a band with Slash, that he "can see now that it may not have been all Axl's fault after dealing with those guys". Slash undoubtedly portrays himself as the innocent, laid back chilled guy, and i am sure to some extent he is, but he definitely cannot be exonerated of all responsibility for the dissolution of the band.
on the whole Axl not doing what his lyrics depict, well that my friend, is utterly ridiculous. lyrics are not necessarily self descriptive, nor are they necessarily introspective. they can depict a story of a protagonist, offer opinions on contemporary issues etc. none of which include first person accounts of what is occurring in the lyrics. that is one of the most inherently stupid comments i have ever seen. so because he wrote civil war, and did not go to any war, or fuck he didn't even go the civil war!?!? his lyrics have no credibility?
you no what you're right, i can pretty much disregard every single song ever written now. led zeppelin for example, i was a fool to think they were actually present at the battle of evermore, what an idiot i am, they lied to me, and i believed them! you mean to tell me there is no actual stairway to heaven!?!? jesus H christ! WOH HOLD UP you're saying that Freddie mercury never actually shot a man? never actually pulled a trigger and now hes dead!?!? and pink floyd? surely not? they never actually took part in any building programs regarding bricks!?!? they were never even present on the building site!?!? OH MY SWEET DICK ITS A CONSPIRACY! THANK YOU FOR BLOWING MY MIND!
#316 Re: Guns N' Roses » An interesting topic, what would happen if axl... » 878 weeks ago
Captain Winkler wrote:Brett wrote:Libertad was not really in Slash's safe zone and even if it was, who cares? Why does that automatically equate a negative?
i think most people would agree that it was, and theres nothing wrong with doing what you love doing, but seeing 45 year old dudes singing about getting drunk and pwning chicks seems a little tragic and pathetic to me. i'd prefer Axl to evolve as an artist, and to me he has done so.
I think Libertad sounds way more current than what I normally associate Slash with.
Seeing Axl Rose at 46 looks a bit silly up there cranking out industrial tunes make me giggle just a tad. And, he's still dwelling over Stephanie in the lyrics 15 years after the breakup. Now, THAT my friend, is sad and pathetic to me. Slash has proven all he's needed to prove. He did one of the best hard rock albums of all time (the best to me), was part of softer ballads and literally everything in between that and punk on UYI (which means he's done 'epic'), even got a really bluesy singer for the second incarnation of Snakepit, not to mention played with countless people in countless ways along the way, electic and acoustic. He even played for ICP on one of their rap/rock songs and worked with Ray Charles and MJ. The guy has proven himself and evolved as an artist all the way along, but I love the fact that he sticks to what he enjoys, ratty rock n roll, on his records. Why wouldn't he?
Plus, Slash gets a bum rep sometimes. The same people saying he stays in his element whine and cry when he "sells out" and plays SCOM with Fergie and they make fun of him for getting the guys from Cypress Hill to do Paradise City. So what can he do? Does he have to pretend he's NIN before he can finally get the respect he deserves? Should he just shred through everything? Black Sheep, a band he was in, were heavy into shredding.
So, I ask, what hasn't the man done and what area of music has he not been involved in?
i think we've disintegrated into a Slash V Axl debate here, which i wasn't trying to do. i don't think there is a said rule that makes writing industrial songs at any age pathetic, nor is creating industrial sounds wanting to be NIN, that analogy is like saying anyone who plays blues based hard rock is trying to be like Guns n Roses, or anyone playing metal is trying to be black sabbath etc.
sure slash has made cameo appearances with many great artists, some noteworthy others not so much, and there is absolutely no denying his talent as a guitarist(my fav guitarist) however during his own career he has made little attempt to push his OWN musical boundaries, thats not to say his guitar work during GNR was not amazing and revolutionary, but he hasn't tried to transcend that. by the same token, if you're wanting Axl to do the same as Slash with his vocals and lyrics, thus clinging to what he knows and is famous for, you therefore expect him to be talking about dancing with mr brownstone? riding the night train? that would be laughable. Axl has not tried to do that, hence why people use the term 'moving forward' .
while it could be argued that the new leaks alone, are not revolutionary in sound(although to me i have heard nothing like it)no one could accuse Axl of remaining within his comfort zone, thus the term 'moving forward', whether used as a term to describe the new music as compared to the music industry as a whole or rather just to describe Axl's musical journey, is thrown about.
#317 Re: Guns N' Roses » An interesting topic, what would happen if axl... » 878 weeks ago
Did you just call me a "tragic idiot stuck in a timewarp"?
lol no dude, i am talking about the idiots on youtube who hear the leaks and automatically throw a hissy fit- "omg this isnt GNR I HATE IT OMG AXL RUINED EVERYTING HE HAS CORNROWS OMG"
#318 Re: Guns N' Roses » An interesting topic, what would happen if axl... » 878 weeks ago
Libertad was not really in Slash's safe zone and even if it was, who cares? Why does that automatically equate a negative?
i think most people would agree that it was, and theres nothing wrong with doing what you love doing, but seeing 45 year old dudes singing about getting drunk and pwning chicks seems a little tragic and pathetic to me. i'd prefer Axl to evolve as an artist, and to me he has done so.
#319 Re: Guns N' Roses » An interesting topic, what would happen if axl... » 878 weeks ago
How come Axl is "moving forward" just because he uses some rap beats and industrial tones? You can't create good art in Rock N' Roll anymore? I never understood this argument that Axl Rose is Jesus himself because he uses synth and beats? It's not that they sound horrible, but what's he inventing by doing things others have done? For that matter, what's left to invent?
GNR was never the sound of the eighties, if anything GNR were just good hard rockers, and that will always remain current in terms of good hard rock fans. I don't think Axl gains any more fans than he loses by incorporating industrial elements. I like the fact that he's doing what he wants, but he's not re-inventing the wheel here. For the most part the sounds are UYI with beats, to me. Sound fine, but I'm just saying.
I don't know if Axl has any good rockers in him anymore, the CD ones are underwhelming. Unless you consider Better a rocker. It is, but I prefer my rockers to have some badass lyrics.
well to me, the leaks are something that is incomparable anything i've ever heard. sure, they resemble NIN in some aspects and other artists in others but as far as rock goes theres nothing out there like the majority of the leaks IMO. others may disagree and cite the 'moving forward' argument as meaning moving forward in regards to the classic GNR sound, and not merely dwelling in his safe zone, eg.velvet revolver.
#320 Re: Guns N' Roses » An interesting topic, what would happen if axl... » 878 weeks ago
I don't really agree with him though. I reckon there's plenty of guitarists out there that could make nuGNR sound more "rock". I think he's changing his act to avoid direct comparisons.
But more relevantly: I agree with you, I would prefer if they did a more classic hardrock GNR type album. As I've always openly proclaimed: I'd love an AFD, part II.
yea, i mean don't confuse me with those tragic idiots who are stuck in a timewarp and a demanding a replica of appetite, but more songs like catcher, which i believe sound like updated versions of the classic ballads, and less of the cluster fuck songs like if the world. in saying that i do love all the leaks, but i do believe if Axl recorded more traditional bluesy rockers, they could sound relevant and contemporary, as catcher does.
