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#311 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Dude, he ended JFK’s war and there’s no way to dispute that. Just like Obama “escalated” Iraq and Afghanistan when he promised to end it. It’s pretty complicated inheriting someone else’s war.

JFK wasn’t even president for 2 years…JFKs war?!

#312 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
James wrote:

The country has been overdue for a maverick since 2008. It's unfortunate that the era was wasted on Obama...and then Trump.

Only another Teddy Roosevelt is capable of saving us.

What a strange take. When was the last good president then? Bc W was just a continuation of daddy and daddy was just more Reagan.

Surely you didn’t like Carter because you don’t like Biden.

You’ve never said anything positive about the Clintons.

Nixon was a real POS.

Nixon started the EPA, ended the Vietnam war, expanded civil rights protections for women and Native Americans, nearly passed universal healthcare, which was sabotaged by that piece of shit Ted Kennedy, and wanted to subsidize the wages of the working poor -- a form of ubi. Nixon was a far better President than JFK, who literally stole the presidency from him.

You need to check your history on ending Vietnam.

Amusing that you think dropping more bombs than anyone and escalating war is a means to ending it.

Most historians point to the end of Vietnam as being 1975. Nixon was long gone by then.

#313 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Policy wise Bush senior was good, Clinton was pretty damn good. Trump was excellent.

Obama was bad, Carter was worse, Biden is an absolute dumpster fire

Trump left this country as it was burning to the ground and felt the need to make it worse on Jan. 6th.

Trump was an abysmal failure. All smoke and mirrors.

#314 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

Sure…tout the outsider all you want…but Trump was nothing more than a government sponsored infomercial.

#315 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

What's Teddy Roosevelt going to do when Congress is utterly beholden to special interests and the media is their extended enforcement arm?

The only way Trump was going to get anything done is if he'd declare himself a tyrant and start a civil war.

Congress has literally done nothing for decades. Isn’t that how the system was supposed to work?

#316 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

James wrote:

The country has been overdue for a maverick since 2008. It's unfortunate that the era was wasted on Obama...and then Trump.

Only another Teddy Roosevelt is capable of saving us.

What a strange take. When was the last good president then? Bc W was just a continuation of daddy and daddy was just more Reagan.

Surely you didn’t like Carter because you don’t like Biden.

You’ve never said anything positive about the Clintons.

Nixon was a real POS.

#317 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

I wonder if Trump was just the beginning of modern celebrity candidates.

I mean he's kinda a polarising candidate, as mitch points out there's blatant reasons he would be distasteful to some, so like what stops someone else who is famous but more universally likeable from running?

Like some of the hollywood elite have cults of personality around them that would be far more popular than trump.

He should be unappealing to the overwhelming majority.

You're exactly right...since the presidency is nothing more than a vote for homecoming king and queen now, we will absolutely have more of this type of thing. For the following reasons:

1) people don't know or care how to evaluate whether or not policies affect them and/or how they affect them.

2) it's more fun to implement policies that hurt others rather than help oneself.

3) the American people have extremely low approval rates for the government in general yet the keep sending the same assholes back. The reelection rate here is damn near 100% at federal, state and local levels. The American voter inexplicably takes no responsibility for this fact. It's always someone else's fault. It's the media's fault. It's Obama's fault. It's our politicians who don't take leadership roles. Well...what happens when you have a chance to replace these people? Nothing.

#318 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 235 weeks ago

I’d like more insight on that because he’s been racking up a war chest like no one else has done before.

I don’t see why he’d play such a role in January 6th if he didn’t have a problem doing it all over again.

I said it before and I’ll say it again, he’d tear this country all the way to the ground if it meant a W for him.

#319 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 235 weeks ago

I’m not convinced that a cult of personality taking over any current party is any better than what we already have….other than Trumps tax cut that makes us more the Corporate States of America than United, all he did was bluster and take credit for things he had nothing to do with.

Especially when you consider that Congress is there to basically make sure nothing happens.

And when your campaign moto is basically‘own the Libs’ then all you have is a carnival barker.

My favorite part of all of it is that not a single one of your typical Trump supporters would ever be allowed in Mar-a-lago.

And Trumps debate style is straight out of a high school locker room….he basically taunts and yells over people but never really says anything except, ‘I’m awesome and you all suck.’

In a country whose only value left is money and the economy is based on ‘hooray for me and fuck you’ - this is the best we will ever get.

In a country that thinks Trump is a successful business man but somehow pays less income tax than someone who makes $35k/year, you can’t expect any really deep thoughts and analysis. You can’t really expect to reach people who simultaneously hate socialism but idolize a businessman who uses the US treasury as a mechanism for corporate socialism. Trumps business plans have intentional losses embedded into the financials. An unprofitable business by design. What a genius!

A bubble economy created by massive tax cuts and massive deficits creates an illusion among the rabid that he really was some kind of economic genius.

He’s a one trick pony who puts things on a credit he knows he never plans on paying anyway. The man is completely lacking in integrity and intelligence. And his constant self promotion is shameless.

#320 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 235 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I don’t know what you’re saying here. They all do this, they’ve always done this, that’s why they won’t change it.

Anyone really think our special forces and CIA aren’t helping in Ukraine?

What do you mean always?

In Wisconsin half the state votes for Democrats but on a state level the Republicans have a supermajority. Much the same in states like North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

I'm only aware of the extreme tactics taken since the tea party came into power in 2010. Yes...tweak here and there in one way or the other...but the tea party took it upon itself in Wisconsin and made a man who receives roughly 7,000 votes more powerful than that governor through gerrymandering.

I feel that the period of 2010-2020 was per versed by tea party members in very select states.

I truly feel happy that Democrats didn't take it from 2020-30. One bad turn deserves another.

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