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#301 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 233 weeks ago

Forcing these unwanted babies will create more problems. In a society that’s hooray for me and fuck you, these kids won’t have a chance.

At least they’ll fill up juvenile halls and jails though.

#302 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 233 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Roe has nothing to do with religion. It’s about state vs federal powers.

It is absolutely about religion….are you crazy?!

#303 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 233 weeks ago

slashsfro wrote:

I would have just left it there since it was settled law or whatever it's called.  I'm slightly cynical that it'll move anyone in the midterms.  I get the feeling that most people's opinions are already decided on it--for the most part you're either against it or for it.

I hope it drives up turnout. This is an illegitimate Supreme Court erasing laws that have been around for a very long time just because.

The court’s approval, already very low, will sink even further and of course none of them give a shit because of the life time appointments. And the great thing is none of them will have to justify any of this to anyone.

The law of the land is now more religious than ever.

#304 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 233 weeks ago

James wrote:

Holy shit ...looks like the Supreme Court is on the verge of overturning Roe.

It just leaked.

Looks like they aren't wasting any time getting ready.....







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This is a wake up call to feminists....

Fucking 10 men in a row is not "empowering".

Turning feminism into a trans movement was not "progressive".

Time to get back to real issues before you lose everything.

Or…you can look at these justices who are putting their personal religious beliefs into the law.

It’s pretty disgusting the justices Trump put there get to rewrite everything.

It’s also a shame that people like you get to point at the trans people over and over again and blame them for everything.

This right here is why i just can’t bring myself to vote for a Republican. Religious aspects of our control continuously get shoved down our throat. These people are disgusting hypocrites….‘we’re pro-life’ until it comes time to feed, shelter and protect your future.

#305 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

James wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

I’ve been trying hard to come up with a good metaphor or example for how Nixon should be viewed when it comes to Vietnam…

I’ve really struggled to come up with one but here’s my best shot.

It’s like when you bluff at a pot once, twice, three times and fold.

If that’s what you want to give him credit for then by all means.

Nixon should've spent his entire life kissing LBJ's ass for ascending to the presidency.

Nixon claimed to have a "secret plan" to get us out of Vietnam...it would of course be revealed if he wins the election.

Around this same time, LBJ found out (through the CIA?) that Nixon and his team were secretly negotiating with the Vietnamese.

This was treason...he should've been arrested...or at least investigated.

LBJ balked due to worrying about it causing a constitutional crisis and ripping the country apart.

Love or hate Nixon, that decision alters everything.

Maybe it's just a bias toward what is generally considered modern history but I feel like this was the birth of the worst kind of politics.

I read a book called the tragedy of Richard Nixon a few years back and there were some endearing things about him. I'm sure it's pretty much the same as any other book about him. He was totally dedicated to his wife. He seemed to be a flawed man like any of us. He seemed to be brilliant in some areas and had blind spots in others.

It just seems like the true beginning of modern day sleaze politics. I remember reading that the Republicans sort of treated the impeachment of Nixon as a favor that should be owed back to them as the years passed by. When they tried to impeach Clinton in the 90s, many of those same people were still around and felt betrayed when the favor wasn't returned. I don't know how many of those people are still around today. But I do believe one of the reasons Republicans wouldn't even consider impeachment of Trump was because of how Democrats handled the impeachment in the 90s. I believe Trump took the sleaze politics of Nixon and ramped it up to the next level.

Maybe I made it up but I want to believe there was a time when trans people weren't the focal point of a political party. Most of the shit that ends up on an agenda or as a talking point is shit I couldn't care less about.

#306 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

I’ve been trying hard to come up with a good metaphor or example for how Nixon should be viewed when it comes to Vietnam…

I’ve really struggled to come up with one but here’s my best shot.

It’s like when you bluff at a pot once, twice, three times and fold.

If that’s what you want to give him credit for then by all means.

#307 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

You keep moving the goalpost. You said he didn't end the war. I showed you actual video of him announcing an end to Vietnam. Suddenly that doesn't count because before that he was.... Fighting the war? When you're negotiating a peace deal it kind of follows logic that the war will continue until an agreement is reached.

How is moving the goal post? You can’t skip everything that happened in between.

JFK is like William Henry Harrison…he didn’t do much of anything. Until 1963 only a few hundred troops had died in Vietnam unless the statistics I’m looking at are not accurate.

Johnson (a democrat let me remind you) escalated it. Leave it to a Texan.

I still think Reagan is a bunch of extremely conflicting policies….from small government to massive government spending and massive changes to the tax code helping the people at the top. Massive deficit spending but for some reason republicans were all about it then.

#308 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

You’re leaving out a lot of details here. Most notably, he agreed to a deal he could’ve gotten on day 1. 10s of thousands more died on both sides while he bombed the shit out of Vietnam. Only when he was trying to save face during the watergate scandal did he abruptly give up on the ‘peace with honor’ strategy.

#309 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

“Around 700 US military personnel were in South Vietnam when he [JFK] was inaugurated; on his death there were roughly 16,000.”

If we want, we can blame Eisenhower, but he escalated intervention in Vietnam. This was then left to Johnson and then Nixon. There’s no reason to argue about this, Mitch.

The part that’s debatable is that Nixon ended it.

#310 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 234 weeks ago

Nixon a ‘peace with honor’ - he somehow simultaneously ended the Vietnam war and dropped more bombs there than you could count.

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