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#21 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect » 20 weeks ago

Shacklermyrye wrote:
Blackstar wrote:

It's interesting that all the other demos on the tape with that version of Bad Apples date from 1985/86. It's certain that Bad Apples doesn't go so far back based on the information we have but also on the lyrics alone.

Just a wild guess: a demo of Bad Apples had leaked on the radio in late May/early June 1991. The version on the web.archive tape sounds to me like it could have been recorded from the radio, and someone/fans put that recording on to a tape with unreleased pre-AFD demos that were circulating by then and some of them were titles rumoured to be included on the next GN'R album, so they were mislabeled as UYI demos.

I forgot about this. I can definitely believe the song might have leaked on the radio and fans managed to tape it. Unless fans recall radio playing it, our best bet for proof would be finding an article in a rock mag reporting the leak, which I kind of doubt they would, as gnr would have gone for them legally and sent C&D letters.

There was an article in the Los Angeles Times (I had that in mind when the theory occurred to me):

To Geffen, the Leak of 'Bad Apple' Has a Rotten Core
June 09, 1991|PATRICK GOLDSTEIN

How did a number of major rock stations across the country, including Cleveland's top-rated WMMS-FM, obtain an unauthorized early copy of a new song from Guns N' Roses' long-awaited new Geffen Records album?

Geffen execs, who filed cease-and-desist orders against the stations last month forcing them to stop playing the track, "Bad Apple," now say the song wasn't leaked to radio by just anybody. It came from a rival record company promotion man, who gave the bootleg tape to the stations in exchange for promises of airplay for one of his current singles.

Excuse us--but who was saying "Hit Men" was all an exaggeration?

"We have sworn testimony from radio station staffers saying the Guns N' Roses tape came from a Mercury Records national promotion staffer named Douglas Burton," explained Al Coury, general manager of Geffen Records.

"It's bad enough that we had radio stations playing a rough mix of a song that wasn't finished--and was months away from release. But then to have the leak come from an employee at another record company, who tried to use it to get airplay for one of his acts, is just outrageous. It's like falling off a bridge--and then have someone run you over too!"

According to Norman Beil, Geffen's general counsel, the label sent a letter Monday to Mercury Records, saying it had "definitively linked" Burton to the GNR tape leak. "We've asked Mercury to provide us with information explaining who he obtained the tape from and who he distributed copies to," Beil said. "We are also asking Mercury to reimburse us for legal fees and any expenses incurred in obtaining the cooperation of the radio stations."

Asked what Geffen would do if Mercury refuses to cooperate, Beil responded: "We'd sue them--and we'd sue them very quickly."

Mercury co-president Mike Bone refused to comment on the Geffen charges, except to say that as of Wednesday, he had not received any letter from Geffen about any Mercury links to the leak.

In the past, record companies have often threatened legal action--or sought temporary restraining orders preventing radio stations from playing pre-release copies of a superstar band's new product. But in virtually all instances, the tapes were final versions of material that surfaced only a few days--or perhaps a week--before the official release date. (Guns N' Roses' album is still being mixed and isn't scheduled for release until early September.)

However, industry insiders say the Geffen legal threat aimed at Mercury represents an escalation beyond the usual executive feuds and media backbiting that often occurs between record labels. "This probably is precedent setting," Coury said. "But we had no reservations about it. By distributing these tapes, you cheat our artist out of the opportunity to present their finished work to their fans. We felt we had to take a stand."

Coury pointed out that Mercury is part of the PolyGram family of record labels, which also includes Island Records, who recently threatened legal action against bootleggers selling pirated copies of an unfinished U2 album. "It's very ironic, to say the least, that they've had the same problem we've had and yet they still have an employee who's giving pirated tapes of our band to radio stations. Of all people, they should know what a serious matter it is to steal someone's work and present it to the public before it's finished."

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-06-09/ … _bad-apple

https://www.a-4-d.com/t3155-1991-06-09- … otten-core

#22 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect » 20 weeks ago

It's interesting that all the other demos on the tape with that version of Bad Apples date from 1985/86. It's certain that Bad Apples doesn't go so far back based on the information we have but also on the lyrics alone.

Just a wild guess: a demo of Bad Apples had leaked on the radio in late May/early June 1991. The version on the web.archive tape sounds to me like it could have been recorded from the radio, and someone/fans put that recording on to a tape with unreleased pre-AFD demos that were circulating by then and some of them were titles rumoured to be included on the next GN'R album, so they were mislabeled as UYI demos.

#23 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Album thread 2025 by sp1at » 50 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Intriguing.

Do we know if this is a GNR song or could it be some solo song that they reworked?

I suppose it's a developed version of the song sketch by the same name that was on the locker leaks.

#24 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Album thread 2025 by sp1at » 50 weeks ago

Duff announced the release of "Nothing" during a Fender event in Tokyo yesterday. 25:40 minute mark:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJL4zLmzVC0/

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#25 Re: Guns N' Roses » Frank has left » 56 weeks ago

From Frank's last interview as a member of GN'R (January 2025):

MGM: During your career you’ve taken on a range of projects, both in the studio and live session work. Where do you feel more comfortable out of those two?

Frank: Oh, live. I’m a live drummer. I love being more spontaneous. I don’t do a tonne of recording. I do mostly gigs. I play with different people. I have a band at home called Pssr, P-S-S-R, a punk rock Lower East Side rock n roll band. I like playing live for sure.

MGM: After your DJ set at the Cart & Horses tonight, you’re heading off to Sweden, and then returning back to the US. What is next for you?

Frank: I’ll be back in the States later in January. I would assume we’ll start doing rehearsals sometime in April to get ready for the tour. So, in the next couple of months, it’s just, get woodshed as much as I can, go visit my family back east before I’m gone for a little while, and stuff like that.

https://myglobalmind.com/2025/01/29/gun … -in-the-w/

Then Slash and Duff posted pictures from GN'R's rehearsal studio in early February - it turns out that they were probably there to audition drummers.

#26 Re: Guns N' Roses » Frank has left » 56 weeks ago

Shacklermyrye wrote:

I'd say Brain is most likely to replace him he stopped touring because he had a kid and by now that kid will be grown up. He has had one foot in the camp for years, been used on studio material that has been released even when Frank was in the band as well as doing remixes/ connection with Reece ect.

Matt probably spoke too much shit in his book and Adler just isn't going to happen

Brain has been pretty open in the recent years about why he stopped touring and it's clear that the kid was not the real reason. It was that he was tired of having to play the songs in a certain way, unlike in Primus where he could improvise. E.g.:

I: With Primus, I would imagine you would have the freedom to be able to improvise. You know, you could wander a bit with the songs. And that's OK. People appreciate it. People expect that. But if people showing up for a Guns N' Roses concert, they want to hear Welcome to the Jungle exactly as it is on the record. You know, fill for fill, note for note. So all of a sudden, you had to learn this whole different discipline, it sounds like.

Brain: That's exactly it and yep, you nailed it, that's exactly what was taking me out, because I was like, "Wow, I get it." Like with Primus it was kind of like jazz, it was like, "Here's the song," and every night it would be different, it would be couple BTMs slower, couple, you know, it would... "Oh, I changed the high hat parts"-

I: It's part of the charm.

Brain: Yes, it's part of the charm. And it was like every show - you know, this was before people were like recording the shows and selling them - but yeah, Primus would have been great as one of those band is like, "Oh, I got!" you know, "did you check out the way they played," you know, "blah blah blah on Saturday night instead of Sunday? Oh, it's so different!" That's kind of cool that they take, you know, that was like the charm like you said. But with Guns, yeah, if I didn't do, you know, [hums the fill] in November Rain... People are air drumming it better than I'm doing it, you know. I'm just like, "Oh shit, that's what I think took Buckethead out in the end," you know. I haven't told a lot of people this but that's sort of when I knew I was done, we were playing the rock show, KROQ show, I think, at the Verizon Amphitheater. I remember I was up there and I was playing the cowbell part to Nightrain and I was like, "I can't do this again." Like my body actually was stopping me from playing the cowbell. Like I couldn't physically do it cause I was like, I just had done it so many times and it wasn't a part that I would normally play either. And my body was rejecting it. And I just, that was the last time I ever played with them.

https://www.a-4-d.com/t6360-2018-08-20- … with-brain

The kid just gave him a good excuse, combined with Frank doing well as his temporary replacement, to not go back.

#27 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose Official Website » 104 weeks ago

metallex78 wrote:

The words on the homepage there “you gotta learn to live and run, or you’ll die trying” is that from an existing song, or is it new?

It looks like that's just a fake quote taken from this scam book related website/app:

https://www.bookey.app/quote-author/axl-rose

The quotes and everything else on that page is obviously AI generated (there are also similar fake quote pages for Slash and Duff on the same website).

It seems that whoever from Live Nation or that Skyline Agency company is responsible for the text content on the Axl website didn't do their research.

#28 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose Official Website » 104 weeks ago

The site has been launched by Live Nation and is operated by them:

https://www.officialaxlrose.com/privacy-policy

And it's been set up by this marketing company:

https://theskylineagency.com/

carlossacanell wrote:

Is this legit? And the Instagram account?

Yeah, he's had the IG account since 2012, but hasn't used it. The website links to a TikTok account, too (I guess that one was created recently, probably by the same company that set up the website).

#29 Re: Guns N' Roses » AXL SUED FOR RAPE » 110 weeks ago

Axl's answer has been picked up by the media now, although it was filed about 2 weeks ago. The document:

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/D … ystem=prod

#30 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2024 “Taking Off” » 110 weeks ago

We don't even know IF GN'R owes any albums to the label, because we don't know what exactly their current deal with UMG is. In the credits of the recent releases it looks like Geffen/UMG acts only as distributor for GN'R and not as a record label.

As for Axl's publishing deal with Sanctuary, here is the document:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t8176-2004-09-20- … -sanctuary

But it's completely irrelevant to now, because: 1) Sanctuary was no more in 2007 (was bought out); 2) The agreement would have expired by now anyway, as it was for 12-15 years (not for 20 years like we thought) starting from March 2004 (although the deal became public in early 2005, it had been signed in 2004); 3) It didn't cover songs that would be written after the release of Chinese Democracy, and it also doesn't seem that it covered songs that were written during the Chinese Democracy sessions but would not be on CD (it says it would be in Axl's discretion to include such songs in the agreement). The Sanctuary agreement covered Axl's share in a) all released GN'R songs from the "historic catalogue", b) other old songs Axl has a writing credit for, like Crash Diet and the Hollywood Rose songs, c) Oh My God, Madagascar and The Blues and d) whatever other original songs would eventually be on Chinese Democracy.

All we know for the current state re: publishing is that UMG Publishing has Axl's publishing. We don't know what the UMG publishing deal covers and when it expires.

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