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#21 Guns N' Roses » Who's still listening to the leaks & SR? » 873 weeks ago

gnrfan1987-present
Replies: 36

I was wondering who is still listening to the 9 song leak of Chinese Democracy and "Shackler's Revenge" if you have a copy of both?  I personally have to be a certain mood to listen to any of the songs.  Axl's vocals and the production can be a bit much if I have a headache or just want to relax.   

Ironically I remember when the 4 songs leaked back in 2006  I listened to them over and over again along with the live versions of Blues/Madagascar/CD.  Either I'm sick of hearing those particular songs or the remastering and remixing on the new demos have taken the enjoyment out of the tracks. 

What do you all think?  It would suck to finally get the album in late November and then be tired of it by Christmas!  I guess it depends if the 5 new songs we get are better than "Song #2" and "If The World."  If not I might consider Chinese Democracy the best album released.. in 2006.

#22 Re: Guns N' Roses » IGN: Axl Needs To Go Solo » 873 weeks ago

The poster is getting a lot of flack in the comments section at GnR Daily.com.  Here's one of the more favorable responses... 
http://www.gnrdaily.com/news_detail.asp?id=1598

10/1/2008 | 10:05:51 AM by DTJ
"Except for the assertion that Izzy didn't have a whole lot to do with the song writing (he obviously did) i felt this review was spot on and actually one of the better reviews we've read..

Quit blowing axl's balls..Some of you really make me sick..Chi Dem=Appetite? You have to be out of your mind..Chi Dem isn't on the same level as appetite or Use Your Illusions..

Axl probably sees him self as Guns N Roses but its just not the case..And this new album (if it ever comes out) deserves to be compared to all of the old material because that is what Axl gets for keeping the name of this band that others had a huge part in creating..Honestly, without Slash this isn't Guns N Roses..You can write back and talk what ever shit you want but in the end we all know it..I'll shut up and listen to the new stuff and like it, but in the back of our minds except for maybe 2-3 of you (who are complete and utter fucking idiots) we all know Guns N Roses broke up in 1996..Slash, Duff, And Izzy are the missing pieces."

#23 Re: Guns N' Roses » IGN: Axl Needs To Go Solo » 873 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:
downliner wrote:
gnrfan1987-present wrote:

GN'R's prime songwriting combo consisted of Rose, Slash (Saul Hudson), and Duff (Michael) McKagan. This was the "holy trio"

Didn't read past that line I'm afraid. Just don't agree with it and feel the rest of the article will either be poorly researched or filled with more of this guys own opinion.

I agree. Even the most casual fan knows that Izzy played a crucial role. Hell, half of UYI is courtesy of him.


I agree with the main sentiment to a certain extent and this obviously is not a normal band, but if someone is going to write an article about GNR, it would help if they knew the facts.

I know it's a shame he fucked up on the songwriting credit thing.  He could have just left that out.  The rest of the editorial is actually very articulate and well written.  He gives some good examples for why Axl is adding unnecessary pressure on himself by using the GnR name.    Since everyone in the world knows who he is he could be equally successful recording and touring as "W. Axl Rose." 

His main argument is that Axl's new music sounds vastly different than anything the classic lineup of GnR recorded and that's why he should release it under his own name.  Chris Cornell and Scott Weiland did the same thing.  Their solo work sounds nothing like Soundgarden/Audioslave or STP. 

But I agree with the poster who said at this point why would Axl change his mind and drop the GnR name?  As much shit as he's been through he might as well put out CD as a Guns album.   I just hope casual fans who buy the album aren't pissed because there isn't a "Mr. Brownstone" or "You Could Be Mine" type track on it.

#24 Guns N' Roses » IGN: Axl Needs To Go Solo » 873 weeks ago

gnrfan1987-present
Replies: 34

http://music.ign.com/articles/914/914787p1.html

Axl Needs To Go Solo
It's high time that Mr. Rose dumped the GN'R mantle.

by Spence D.

September 30, 2008 - Axl Rose needs to let go of the past. He needs to drop the Guns N' Roses moniker because the name carries way too much baggage. In short, Axl Rose needs to go solo.

Yeah, you heard me right, I said: "Axl Rose needs to go solo."

You know it and I know it and I'd be willing to bet that way down deep in his heart Axl knows it, too. Let's face it, whatever current band configuration Rose is working with at the moment is not Guns N' Roses.

To hardcore fans (and rock 'n roll historians) GN'R was the sum of all of its first stable parts: Axl, Slash, Duff McKagan, Izzy Stradlin, and Steven Adler. Furthermore, GN'R's prime songwriting combo consisted of Rose, Slash (Saul Hudson), and Duff (Michael) McKagan. This was the "holy trio" who shared publishing rights on all of the GN'R material. But this is merely a legal definition of what Guns N' Roses was.

Granted the band began to morph considerably when Adler was fired in 1990 and replaced by Matt Sorum, plus the addition of keyboardist Dizzy Reed at the same time. GN'R continued to shift further with the departure of Stradlin in 1991, who was replaced by Gilby Clarke. Regardless of the myriad changes over the years, the fact remains that the core of Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Adler (as well as Sorum, who sat in on the UYI sessions after Adler's departure) recorded the bulk of the band's material: Appetite for Destruction, G N' R Lies, Use Your Illusion I, Use Your Illusion II.

Since the departure of Slash, Duff, and Sorum, Axl has switched members so many times that it's damn near impossible for all but the truly hardcore fans to figure out exactly who is and who isn't in Guns N' Roses at any given moment. But that's besides the point. Once the original members exited the band it should have ceased to be.

Look at it from this perspective: Hypothetically speaking, if Charlie Watts, Keith Richards, and Ron Wood left The Rolling Stones, leaving behind only Mick Jagger, the subsequent outfit Jagger formed would not be the Rolling Stones. Sure, it would make sense for Jagger to capitalize on the name, but the end result would be a band that wasn't the Rolling Stones. Moreover, Jagger (and company) have such name recognition that they wouldn't need to use the revered RS moniker anyway.

The same applies to Rose. Everybody in the free world knows who Axl Rose is. He has name recognition. As such he really doesn't need the Guns N' Roses moniker to sell his music. If anything, using GN'R adds undue tension in the form of microscopic attention to any of his musical proceedings. By labeling his music as being Guns N' Roses music Rose opens himself to all kinds of comparisons to the band's seminal material (namely Appetite For Destruction).

Granted, by virtue of his name alone, if Axl were to go solo, his output would still be held up to his previous work, but less so. Guns N' Roses has a distinct sound; the band carried on the traditions of such rebel outfits as the aforementioned Stones, Aerosmith, and other blues influenced, debauchery focused rock outfits. Axl Rose, however, would have more leeway by recording under his own name. Look at the average solo career of any high profile frontman in comparison.

For example, Chris Cornell shied away from his "standard" sound (i.e. that of either Soundgarden or Audioslave) on his solo albums. Why? Because he realized that each of those outfits had a distinct sound and he wanted to distinguish himself apart from them. The same can be said of Scott Weiland, whose solo material has been vastly different than the work he did with either Stone Temple Pilots or Velvet Revolver. If "Shacklers Revenge", as well as the various leaked tracks from Chinese Democracy, are any indication, Axl's slant these days is far removed from the quintessential GN'R sound.

Additionally, the simple fact that Axl hasn't maintained the same band for the past 14 years, instead constantly rotating drummers and guitarists, makes the music on the forthcoming Chinese Democracy appear like more of a solo venture than a true GN'R effort. There's nothing wrong with that other than the fact that Axl persists in calling himself Guns N' Roses, when in reality it's Axl backed by some high profile hired guns.

Axl, if you're listening, please consider dropping the Guns N' Roses name. It's confusing to fans, it's confusing to lay people, heck, and it's just pointless. We know who you are and it's high time you let go of the past and moved forward into the future. Let Guns N' Roses die a respectable death and let your solo career flourish from the ashes.

#25 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Upside of a Best Buy deal » 873 weeks ago

Acquiesce wrote:

When Best Buy releases a limited edition version of an album it is used as an incentive to purchase the album at BB instead of another retailer. Since it is going to be an exlusive there isn't that incentive, but maybe they will release an expanded version. I'd imagine there is a strong possibility we'll see multiple versions since Uni wants to squeeze out every last penny they can on this album.

Yeah that's a good point.  I've driven to Best Buy many time just to get the "extra material" on CDs or DVD's that only they offer.  Like the Kissology DVD's and The Who "Amazing Journey" DVD.  I guess since Best Buy will be the only ones selling "Chinese Democracy" they can sell it as is and skimp on the extras.  Bummer. 

Here's how the Eagles put out "Long Road out of Eden" last year.  Which BTW took about 6 years to make.
10/30/07:  2CD release featuring 20 songs (90 minutes of new music).  For the first year after the album's initial release, the album will be available in North America exclusively via the band's website, or through Wal-Mart and Sam's Club retail stores. Internationally, it will be commercially available through traditional retail outlets.

11/30/07:  Deluxe Collector's Edition released featuring two bonus tracks, Included a 40 page booklet with lyrics, credits, exclusive photos.

Interesting the parallels with the Eagles.  That was their first new studio album since 1979.  They rewarded their fans definitely.  Aside from the fact they had to go to Wal Mart.  But they also sold it through their website which Guns should definitely do.

#26 Guns N' Roses » The Upside of a Best Buy deal » 873 weeks ago

gnrfan1987-present
Replies: 18

I gotta admit I have mixed feelings about the "Best Buy exclusive" deal. I fear it will hurt sales of the album because times are tough and visiting Best Buy is pretty low on most people's priorities (shit, many folks probably can't afford the gas it takes to get there).  But BB does have a great online site (equal to Amazon) so fans can always order it through the web. 

The upside to this whole exclusive deal is that Best Buy usually issues limited edition versions of their discs.  The Who first released "Endless Wire" thru BB and included 3 bonus songs & a DVD.  And when The Eagles made their latest album a "Wal Mart only" release they put out an expanded 2 disc version 6 months after the original dropped. 

So I think it is a good way for GnR to get their new music out to the public.  Plus we'll probably end up hearing more songs than we would with a traditional release.  I'm cautiously optimistic.  Since the deal hasn't been announced yet and we still don't have a release date.

But in the dream scenerio, will get 75 minute plus CD on November 25th with a bonus DVD featuring live performances.    And then in six months or so a 2CD set with a bunch of bonus songs.  Dare to dream.  But if Axl really does have 32 songs to release, BB is a good way to go about getting them out to the public.

#27 GN'R Downloads » Blog with GnR Bootlegs » 873 weeks ago

gnrfan1987-present
Replies: 4

Found this awesome site that features a ton of commercially unavailable Guns n Roses live & studio boots.  Nothing official or the leaked demos.  Just a lot of soundboard quality GnR spanning their entire career.
Here's the link:
http://theultimatebootlegexperience.blo … 27%20Roses

All the album links are through Rapidshare.  Actually a compilation I created a few years back is available there.   Here's the links and details for that. 

Guns N' Roses: Rarities 1985-1994 (4CD Set)
DISC ONE: 1985-1987
1. Ain't Goin Down (live)
2. Reckless Life (demo)
3. Nice Boys (demo)
4. Move To The City (demo)
5. Mama Kin (demo)
6. Shadow Of Your Love
7. You're Crazy (acoustic demo)
8. Don't Cry (demo)
9. Ain't Goin Down (instr)
10. Back Off Bitch (demo)
11. Jumpin' Jack Flash
12. November Rain (acoustic demo)
13. Heartbreak Hotel
14. Welcome To The Jungle (demo)
15. It's So Easy (live)
16. Nightrain (demo)
17. Out Ta Get Me (demo)
18. Mr. Brownstone (alternate mix)
19. Paradise City (demo)

DISC TWO: 1987-1989
1. My Michelle (demo)
2. Think About You (demo)
3. Sweet Child O' Mine (live)
4. You're Crazy (demo)
5. Anything Goes (demo)
6. Rocket Queen (demo)
7. Patience (live acoustic)
8. Whole Lotta Rosie (live)
9. It Tastes Good Don't It (live)
10. Welcome To The Jungle (alternate take)
11. One In A Million (demo)
12. Used To Love Her/Cornchucker
13. Bad Obsession (demo)
14. Civil War (instrumental)

DISC THREE: 1989-1990
1. Knockin On Heaven's Door (live)
2. Dust N Bones (demo)
3. Crash Diet
4. Bring It Back Home
5. Don't Damn Me (instr)
6. The Garden (demo)
7. Just Another Sunday
8. Sentimental Movie
9. Locomotive (instr)
10. Too Much Too Soon
11. Civil War (demo)
12. Double Talkin' Jive (instr acoustic)

DISC FOUR: 1990-1993
1. Down On The Farm (live)
2. Ain't Goin' Down
3. Yesterdays (demo)
4. Don't Damn Me (demo)
5. Estranged (piano instr)
6. Double Talkin Jive (live)
7. November Rain (piano demo)
8. Don't Cry (alternate take)
9. Garden Of Eden (demo)
10. Coma (live)
11. Dust In The Wind (live)

http://rapidshare.com/files/57454191/GN … .part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/57466528/GN … .part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/57478997/GN … .part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/57441874/GN … .part4.rar

mirror here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8D20LRE3
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A82YX83M
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LM5QM5F4
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TEAH8HYU

#28 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy torrents » 873 weeks ago

Most the torrent sites I've used are pretty safe as long as you have Norton Antivirus with Spyware running.  Plus you can scan files before you open them to make sure they are virus free.  The biggest problem is the spyware & worms people have talked about.  A lot of those .rar files leave a trail on your computer. 

As far as the Chinese Democracy demos out there the best versions I've found have always been through fan forums.  Members trading songs using Rapidshare or Megaupload.  I'm not gonna mention any forum names because I don't want Axl's laywers shutting them down.  But I found the easiest way is to just search Yahoo.  Plus its safer and takes less time than downloading torrents.

#29 Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy dreams (and nightmares) » 873 weeks ago

gnrfan1987-present
Replies: 15

Thought this might give people a good laugh while we're all waiting for something official to be announced...

I know this is weird but has anyone else had dreams about Chinese Democracy actually being released?  My latest dream/nightmare was a few nights ago:  I was in Target's music section with a friend and suddenly came upon a dozen or so copies of GnR's Chinese Democracy hidden under a corner display for some lame pop album.  I was like "holy shit! the album's finally been released.  How'd I miss that?"  My friend who hasn't followed this whole CD saga and could care less said "So what?" and moved onto another section. 

Anyway, I scanned the back of the album and it was a 2 disc set featuring a bunch of songs I didn't recognize.  I'm thinking "killer!"  So of course I head straight for the check out counter to buy it.  But here's the catch.  The CD wasn't wrapped in plastic.  Confused, I opened it up and it was empty!  No disc inside.  Thinking there was some mistake, I checked another one.  Empty!  And another.  Empty too!  I soon discovered that all the albums had no disc inside!  Then I woke up...

I'm not a psychiatrist but I'm sure there's a lot of hidden meanings to be found in my dream.  How Axl has continously teased us with release dates for the past decade and how various demos have leaked which we are forbidden to listen to.   I think it's the downside of following this whole album release too closely.   I guess after all we've been through the idea of buying the disc and getting home to find its empty wouldn't be all that shocking. 

Hopefully we're finally at the finish line.  Funny thing is I feel like I've heard the album already (via the leaks).  But I'm still hoping one day to actually own Axl's version of Chinese Democracy.  If it doesn't happen this year I may have to go on prozac to quit obsessing about this whole thing.  Gotta love Axl.  He's finally making his fans as crazy as he is!  big_smile

#30 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Album That Never Was » 874 weeks ago

Axlin08 wrote:

I think by the time this is all said and done, some of your theories will become true.

I think a reunion is inevitable, Axl has let GN'R drift on for too long, and that it'll take a reunion to make GN'R relevant again.


So what might be a better idea is some sort of low-priced Christmas-priced box set containing three full CD albums, a 4th & 5th disc called "2000 Intentions" that feature unreleased demos, abandoned songs for a 'CD IV' and early finished versions of of the main three albums, and possibly a 6th disc called "Appetite For Reconstruction" which features the more techno-themed re-record of AFD that was recorded in 1999/2000 with the first incarnation of the new band.

Launch a reunion at the same time of the release, which will fuel sales even more.

Then just FORGET this nightmare that has been Chinese Democracy. Axl needs to LET GO of the past, start meeting the old guys in the middle, and vice versa, they need to understand him as an artist, and the old Guns N' Roses needs to work the follow up to Illusion II.

I don't know if a reunion can happen.  Not unless Slash & Duff are drinking and drugging again and are too wasted to remember the fact that they signed away all their rights to the GnR name and they'd basically be working as Axl's hired hands (same with Izzy & Steven).  And that Axl would get the lion share of the profits.   They'd be crazy to do a reunion.  Not unless Axl made GnR and equal partnership again and signed a contract that he won't show up 2 hours late for shows.  I'd love to see it happen.  But I think there's no way.  That's what kept the Beatles from reuniting.  Too many lawyers involved and Paul's ego got out of control. 

Basically, I'd just like to hear more new music from Axl.  I don't care what name he uses, just release the stuff.  It's a great loss that he's basically been inactive for the last 14 years and wasted the prime of his career.  He's a talented lyricist & amazing performer and it sucks that he's been more or less retired since 1994.  It would be like Mick Jagger calling it quits after the Stones released "Let It Bleed" in 1969. 

If Axl lets 2008 go by without releasing Chinese Democracy I don't know if it'll ever come out.   If I was his manager, I'd advise him to drop the Guns n Roses name & just clean out the vaults.  Release an industrial album (2000 Intentions or I guess at this point it would need to be renamed 2010 Intentions) and put out the epics on Chinese Democracy. 

As far as touring if he really wants to be in the biggest band in the world again and fill up arenas & stadiums the only way he can do that is by reuniting the original group.   I think Slash & Duff would definitely sign on if Axl would just call off the dogs (his team of lawyers).  And what else to Izzy and Steven have to do at this point?  The ball, as always, is in Axl's court.  He better hurry before Velvet Revolver finds a new lead singer.

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