Yes cult phenomena.  Neo-Nazi's take Christian scripture to the extreme.  They are considered a cult.

This isn't about religion quite the opposite

Didn't some guy use religion to try and make thousands of people kill themselves by drinking kool aid?  That's a cult.

Yeah Jim Jones that was a cult, I think it was a christian thing

There's religion, and then there's radical religion.  It happens with EVERY religion.

And wow, over 70 people believe in your 'ideas?'  More people have believed in the Sham Wow! and they don't work nearly as good as the tv says.

No saikin none of those 70 believe in our ideas. It's not aout belief, it's about inquiry and figuring out if this mthod of pattern recognition is in fact true.  Thats just basic we  do not support any belief.

Believing always means that there is an uncertainty. This is about dropping beliefs, such as the belief that the self controls the mind and body, and looking at the actual evidence to work out what is really going on.

Beliefs are for people who live in fear and want to cling to an ideal to make their version of reality more stable.

Were about facts. This isn't a belief system its a psychological method.

I'm sorry, but claiming something is valid because "over 70 people" believe in it is a fucking joke.  Statistically that's not even a drop in the ocean.

Read above. It's not about seeing but about working it out like an equation beyond reasonable doubt.
On top of that, no one has ever managed to psychologically liberate that many people in such a short time. The closest is J McKenna with 12 people...... in 26 years. That is his life's work. I've done 6 in 4 months. In 8 months I'll have topped him. My friend has done 37 in 5 months. All of us together over 70 in 5 months.
Statistically speaking it is important.

You're mixing numerical weight up with statistical importance

That would be like me taking a cup, filling it with water from the ocean, and claiming there are no fish because there's none in my cup.

No. It's more like you creating 70 brand new fish from scratch in a few short months, where every other fish in the sea took millions of years to evolve into what they are today

You my friend need a bigger cup.  Reading more philosophy will act as your bigger cup.  I thought this stuff was cool once upon a time too, then I started to learn more and realized I really don't know anything.

Yeah why wouldn't I read more. I'll also act on it. I will test everything I read to see what is bullshit and what is true.

If you don't know anything, you need to sit down and ask yourself what you do know for sure. What is true. Work it out honestly.

There is no you. Is that true?

You see in working that out, you focus for the first time on the nature of "self" and thought and you begin for the first time to see the relationship. The assumption that there was in fact a self is proved wrong and instead a deep pattern recognition takes place in your sub-conscious.
You see that there is a pattern in reality.
A pattern of no-you, where self does not exist and is not needed
And the thing about pattern recognition is that once you recognise a pattern, you cannot un-recognise it.
It's in there for life.

This is about having a passion for the truth of reality. Letting go of "self", watching it die is not easy it is painful. The base psychological fear that drives us all is the fear that we do not exist. The main psychological drive is always to create and maintain identity.
Not when you are liberated. The base psychological drive becomes the experience of reality. The destructive emotional feedback loop is broken

Suddenly you're free to do as you like without a need to boost any ego. You can have all the ego you want and not be trapped in it. You can also be egoless and just be.

But as I said it comes at a price. The death of everything you believed, everything you thought you knew for sure.

When I took my first steps into this it was only because I had to. This is not something you do for fun. It is the roughest 10 minutes of your life.
Yes it's only 10 minutes, but I never felt that much fear before.
I was a quivering mess almost crying on the floor in horror at what I was doing to "myself".

The only reason I did it was because I understood logically that the self was just an illusion of thought. That was explained to me proven to be credible to me in theory.

If I did not test it out for myself to find the truth, to find whether it was true or not, I could not call myself an honest man ever again. I would have been living a lie for the rest of my life. Now I don't know about you, but where I come from, living as a dishonest man is worse than death. So I choose death, and examined what caused the self.

It requires a full submission to truth. You need to surrender to reality. Because who is surrendering to reality? The "self". And self does not exist you just think it does.  In fact you are always surrendered to reality, you just think you are not, you think there is a self and it is in control and it can stand apart from reality and impose it's will. Yu are always in a state of surrender to the truth, the mind just thinks that there is a "self" that is not surrendered, not a part of reality and so must fight reality

But we have all seen what happens when people believe bullshit stories like that. Endless suffering, ego mania, depression. You have too look for yourself and see for your self, that there is no self.

Scary. Yes
Crucial if you are ever to be free of your own bullshit. Yes
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Saikin wrote:

Your little 'site' is nothing but rehashing cult phenomena and throwing in insults and expletives.  There is nothing special.  There is nothing radical.  There is no liberation.

And you know this how? Have you truthfully tried this out for yourself. There is no other way of knowing. Why would it be special? And yes there is liberation from the sense of self. Some of the biggest names n the game have verified as much. do some research, so as to form an educated opinion on a subject

Cult phenomenon? Really ? Are you telling me that this manifesto, the same one that lies at the Heart of Hinduism and Buddhism is cult phenomenon?

The same stuff Albert Einstein advocated so that we could move the reams of research past personal interest.

The same thing Walt Whitman spent his life's spreading ?

The same thing Henry David Thoreau communicates as putting an end to the core of all psychological malfunction?

You are aware what this is right? It is the  correction of human pattern recognition that allows the mind freedom from negative emotional feedback cycles (depression etc.)

How is that in any way cultish? If anything it's a psychological method.

There is no liberation.

There are over 70 men and women from all walks of life, even psychologists, who would differ on that statement.

Saikin wrote:

There are no messiahs changing people's lives and 'liberating' them.  It's just a bunch of 30 year old toddlers taking the internet and the gullibility of people on the internet WAY too seriously.

Messiah? This isn't about religion. This isn't spirituality. Those things are fairytales. This is about psychological cognition. Correcting the core defect in human psychological cognition

Saikin wrote:

I'm sorry, but it is you who sounds like a snarky little self-righteous bitch with a complex.

It doesn't matter one bit what you think I sound like. It doesn't matter what I think

If you do not  feel the moral obligation to explore a concept of such magnitude thoroughly so as to decide whether it is true or not you are a moral coward.
What is the truth of what I say beyond your opinions and mine? Can you even allow yourself to consider the possibility that this is true?

Yeah it's a big claim. But it is a big claim to ignore. To simply turn your face away without checking this out honestly to see if it is true is dishonest. You can not say this is untrue until you prove it is untrue.  And guess what. for thousands and thousands of years of human development. No one has proved this untrue.
Quite the opposite.

This is a powerful psychological recognition.  Again if you want to continue this, sign up.

Oh, by the way, America has been doing that the right way since before you were born.  You're welcome.

Doing what? I don't follow.