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#251 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 708 weeks ago

here it is for you in the simplest of simplest terms so you can grasp the concept. It's tough but try:

Put ten people stranded on an island with no guns.  Leave them there for as long as you want. Say 50 years. What are the odds of  there being a  gun related death?

Put ten people stranded on an island and one person with an assault riffle or a handgun. Leave them there for as long as you want. Say 50 years.  What are the odds of there being a gun related death?

Put ten people stranded on an island each with an assault riffle or a handgun. Leave them there for as long as you want. Say 50 years.  What are the odds of there being a gun related death?


Explain to me how each scenario gets safer and safer.  It's obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense that each scenario in fact gets less and less safe.  But no you're right it's the rest of us who don't "get it".  So forget about regulation and banning certain types of models. Forget about creating a  buy back policy, forget about screening processes, forget about needing a license, forget about a waiting period. Forget it all.

keep the deafitist attitude that there's nothing that can be done and in the meantime watch your country shoot itself to death.

#252 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 708 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
Bono wrote:

That's the biggest problem right there. Americans value their civil liberty to own a gun  more than they value the civil liberty to live in a safe environment. That's where there's a disconnect between Americans and the rest of the world who view the American attitude towards guns as completely fucked up. Sorry I don't know how to say it any nicer.

If people didn't own guns, we wouldn't be safer, we'd be less safe because only the bad guys would have guns.  It's unbelieveable how simple this is, yet so many of you fail to grasp it.  If the bad guys didn't already have millions of guns, I'd agree with you, but that ship has sailed.

Listen to yourself? Talking about how simple it is yet it's the rest of the world who doesn't get it. The rest of the world grasps the concept that everyone owning a  gun does not make you safer. Quite the opposite and the results in other countries prove this. All it does is add more guns into circulation allowing for easier access for the "bad guys" to get them.  You're attitude towards this is absolutely based on fear despite Axlin's claims that Americans fear absolutely nothing. You sound like a six year old kid. "If we ban guns only the bad guys will have them, what will we do then daddy?" Statistics prove you're wrong. Only in America is the mentality more guns = more safety and you are the least safe  civilized nation when it comes to this shit. When is the last time you heard a story where someone with a gun in the United States went John McClane on the bad guys and saved the day? It doesn't happen. It's such a fantasy that  you and other Americans share that more guns = being safer.  like I said to Axlin your attitude needs to change because nothing changes if nothing changes. Your attitude as it stands is to arm every individual to the point where you guys are primed to blow yourself off the face of the earth.  And it's gonna happen because that's your culture until you actually decide to do something about it. You guys won't though because your fear of each other cause you to act irrationally.  That and because Americans are "smarter" than everyone else. roll

#253 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 708 weeks ago

Axlin12 wrote:

Good post, but I just don't see why law abiding American citizens should lose civil liberties afforded to them in this country because of a small death ratio of gun violence.

And the excuse of "think of the children" isn't good enough.

From what I know the mother of this kid KNEW how he was for YEARS and yet she introduced guns into the home.

Somehow that's the gun's fault.

To me that's like blaming McDonald's because you really got fat eating Big Mac's. Well if we ban the Big Mac, we solved the problem.

Yeah, maybe... but you still didn't stop the overall problem. You just got rid of Big Mac's. Big deal. jmo

That's the biggest problem right there. Americans value their civil liberty to own a gun  more than they value the civil liberty to live in a safe environment. That's where there's a disconnect between Americans and the rest of the world who view the American attitude towards guns as completely fucked up. Sorry I don't know how to say it any nicer.

Also nobody is saying it's the gun's fault. I hear that all the time and to be honest it's a ridiculous statement as it's ignoring what people are actually saying. Nobody thinks guns have minds, thoughts and feelings and can do these things on their own.  Nobody is blaming the gun per se.  Just like nobody would blame the gun if you gave a loaded handgun or assault riffle to a group of small children but you'd never hand a loaded gun to a group of small children because they are not responsible or mature enough to handle it properly and safely. Remove the gun from the equation and your end result is likely  not as tragic regardless of how many of those kids are mentally ill. You can draw up the analogy on your own from there.

#254 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 708 weeks ago

Nothing changes if nothing changes. the problem is too many Americans have a defeatist attitude towards this. They say "oh it's too late for change and  "gun control" won't change anything." Ummm... YES it will. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but eventually the culture will change BUT you've got to wanna begin to make the change. Seems far too many Americans have no desire to make the change which is part sad and part pathetic.

Mental illness is a way more daunting task to solve than guns. You could technically pass laws that would change the gun culture instantly if it was strict and if it was enforced enthusiastically. I understand that's not gonna happen but it is possible. The gun problem is something you can see, something you can control if America wanted to.  Guns are something that can be tackled because they are a tangible thing. Mental illness is a much bigger problem which yes needs to be addressed but in the meantime take steps to change your fucked up culture when it comes to guns rather than saying "Oh it'll never change it's pointless". saying shit like "nothing will ever change" IS THE REASON why nothing will ever change. It's like a fat guy saying it's too late I like food too much, I could never lose weight. BULLSHIT. There's steps to be made that can change his culture and his attitude towards weight and food. It may not garner the results he wants tomorrow but if he starts implimenting the proper steps then eventually he'll have the results he wants. Now admittedly that analogy simplifies it big time but the approach is the same. the gun culture CAN change in America  if you guys start taking steps to change it but like I said Nothing changes if nothing changes.

the mental illness thing is another story. That's a tougher problem to solve but it doesn't mean measures should not be taken to increase gun control.

Common sense has worked in the rest of the world,  it can work in the States too. It'll just take a little time.

#255 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 708 weeks ago

One big flaw in that Axlin. Americans fear Americans. There's a reason why gun sales  sky rocket after these events and say all you want that it's because people want to be prepared but they want to be prepared based on fear of being caught in a situation similar to thsi. That fear is real because it happens regularly in America. You guys are afraid of yourself. "Guns don't kill people, Americans with guns do". That should  be the new slogan because your gun related deaths per year is fucking atrocious.

Sorry Axlin but you can psycho analyze it all you want. Talk about how inbred guns are to your culture and so on,  the fact remains Americans are scared. In mass numbers you guys are becoming more and more afraid of yourself. Americans fear absolutely nothing? Yeah I'm not buying that for one second. I know many Americans who have flat out told me they feel safer walking the streets in Canada than they do anywhere in the States. Why is that?

More and more I'm starting to see that America just may be the most mentally ill country on the planet and add that to their perverse attitude towards guns and you've got a real problem on your hands.

How's this for an American Merry Christmas. sad
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … -trap.html

#256 Re: The Garden » Nurse commits suicide after royal prank call » 708 weeks ago

technically I guess the Queen could impose some kind of authority in Canada but it would never happen. She's represented by the Governor general and I do believe all laws and motions and what not need to be signed off by the Governor General to make them official. It's more a figurehead position though maintained more so for tradition. There's no way on earth that Canada would move to pass a law and the Queen/Governor General would interfere.  Anything to do with the royal family in Canada at this point is merely traditional.

As for coverage on the royal family the only time they dominate the news is when they actually come to visit Canada. They do not warrant  "breaking news" the way they do in gossip, tabloid crazy America.  I'm sorry Russ but I think the reality is American media fucking blows.  No offence. I mean even during 9/11 I didn't watch the American media at all. CBC in Canada was more up to date, less sensationalist and basically more human. They didn't come off as though it was all about ratings the way the American networks did and I felt I could trust CBC way more than any of the American stations covering an event in America. Kinda sad when you think about it.

#257 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 709 weeks ago

Such nonsense. Also when my brother died his mom didn't cry once out in public. Not at the funeral, not after the funeral, not when her and my dad did an interview for CBC radio about youth and suicide. All the grieving was done behind closed doors in private. To say as a matter of fact that these people aren't people who just lost a family members is beyond ridiculous.  Good to know polluxlm knows the inner workings of every single human being on earth's emotional state and how to act appropriately in a time of tragedy. you should write a "how to" book dude and I'll buy it just in case I ever have to go through something similar.

polluxlm wrote:
RussTCB wrote:

Let's go back to the pictures you think are photo shopped. What exactly are you trying to say about the "devil horns"?

That it's extremely odd for people to make them in those situations, not to mention very young kids, but particularly because 3 different media sets of 2 different families show them.

the young girl has her fingers in her mouth. Unreal. She's not intentionally flashing devil horns 14

polluxlm wrote:

The first photo is obviously photo shopped. Not only is the mans hair blue (at most parts) it also sits in a weird state with blurry edges that look like they've been paint brushed.

I hate to be the barer of bad news but the man's hair is perfectly white on my computer. No sign of blue at all. Just saying.

#258 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 709 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

That a lot of pictures and video from the media appears to be staged and shopped. That many of the people being interviewed are actors. Possibly all. There's even a Sandy Hook reference in the Dark Knight Rises.

If that's because nothing happened or because the media can't get real family members to sell their stories I don't know, but this fake media stuff has become very prevalent at least since 9/11.

yeah and according to the sports almanac in Back to the Future II Florida won the world series in 1997. Funny that at the time the movie was made Florida didn't even have an MLB team yet in 1997 the Florida Marlins won the world series in real life.

Sound the conspiracy alarms!!!
roll

#259 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 709 weeks ago

Ummmm... My brother committed suicide and  I can specifically remember the next day my dad, my other brother and myself sitting in a  restaurant having a  conversation and many times laughing about stuff.  Hell I remember smiling and laughing at the funeral.  So big f-ing deal that the cameras happend to catch the father crack a  smile.

Also "devil horns"  gimme a fucking break.

#260 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 709 weeks ago

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/artic … nd-himself

That ^ is the problem with America's right to bear arms.  Some of you are going to be pissed when I say this but keep in mind I'm not talking about YOU as an individual. The problem with America's right to bear arms is that America as a whole, as a society lacks the common sense to understand the responsibility that comes with that.  This story here is just an example of how irresponsible far too many Americans' are when it comes to guns and their attitude towards them.  THAT is the problem.

Again I'm not attacking individuals but from the outside looking in, this is a clear case of America as a nation simply not being mature enough to have the right to bear arms.

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