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#2391 Re: Guns N' Roses » Claim About The Finished Album Sucking (Ross Halflin) » 903 weeks ago
tejastech08 wrote:war wrote:even if he listened to the leaks he should have gotten past the second song. this is untrue or he is the most unqulaified person in the world to judge music. i gotta go out on a limb and say that the leaks are better than the rest of the music on that list. gunslinger and atari legend also bring up good reasons for why this is bullshit.
"Good Times Bad Times" by Zeppelin is better than any of the leaks.
anybody can judge music, even a three year old, its about a person's personal musical tastes not about qualifications
not true. there are qualifications to being an actual judge or critic. a three year old wouldn't have them nor do a lot of adults for that matter. he is not supposed to be a critic though and therefore his opinion is his perogative no matter how narrow it may seem to me. my point was to whoever wishes to stay positive, not to let this get them down for anyone who only listens to 2 songs of an album before taking it out is obviously not giving it a fair chance and we shouldn't put any stock in his opinion.
#2392 Re: Guns N' Roses » Claim About The Finished Album Sucking (Ross Halflin) » 903 weeks ago
war wrote:even if he listened to the leaks he should have gotten past the second song. this is untrue or he is the most unqulaified person in the world to judge music. i gotta go out on a limb and say that the leaks are better than the rest of the music on that list. gunslinger and atari legend also bring up good reasons for why this is bullshit.
"Good Times Bad Times" by Zeppelin is better than any of the leaks.
that's cool. personally, i'd rather listen to several of the leaks than that particular zeppelin song.
#2393 Re: Guns N' Roses » Claim About The Finished Album Sucking (Ross Halflin) » 903 weeks ago
that was an opinion by the way
lol
#2394 Re: Guns N' Roses » Claim About The Finished Album Sucking (Ross Halflin) » 903 weeks ago
war wrote:1. saying it sucks would be an opinion. every album has fillers and if he was only willing to listen to the first 2 songs i would, personally, have the opinion that he would not be able to give an objective review of THE ALBUM. you cannot be objective about something you have not heard, that's for sure.
While I agree with what russ said, I also have heard albums where I hated the first 2 songs so much that I didn't care about the rest of it. I would gladly tell anybody that the album sucked so bad that I couldn't even get through the first 2 songs. If I missed something and it's that good, someone will surely correct me down the road.
war wrote:2. yur right - i do not know what you know. but was i wrong about the 2 things i said you/most would agree with? do you not think that guitars are a vital part to the rock genre? do you not think that any majority of rock songs would be boring if you took out the lead guitar and listened to them? please correct me if i am wrong. as far as the recording, you are right again. i was not there. but maybe i could e-mail one of the members who were and find out for sure if twat was written with the intnetion of having guitar work in it. although if i asked such a stupid question i don't think even ron would respond to that one.
You're (not surprisingly) taking what I said out of context. To be fair, the majority of rock music today doesn't really have what I would call a lead guitar. If you can't recognize the difference between the role of the lead guitar on say Estranged vs the role of lead guitar on (insert modern rock track here), then we can't even try to have a discussion on the issue. As for Ron's opinion, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he wasn't there when TWAT was written, so his thoughts are no more valid than yours or mine. I'm not saying the song wasn't written for something like that at the end...I'm sure it was, but BH created something special that from what I've seen, none of the other guys in the band could have created and it fits the song. I don't think Slash could have created something that fits the song that well, so it isn't a Slash bias and I don't like that I'm "defending" BH..
yur a pretty intelligent sounding guy when you are not trying so hard to disagree : )
#2395 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Early Recording Process of CD? (With spoilers from Slash's Book) » 903 weeks ago
war wrote:what you are telling me is that slash is saying something that contradicts what he has said in interviews.
what slash wrote in his book about "musical differences" is that he would have done an industrial record IF Axl was easier team mate....in other words if Axl was a cooperative band member, and helped out, didnt skip rehearsals and concerts, and separate himself from the rest, Slash would have made an effort to please him and his new experimental musical ideas....
that's all he said about that topic....nothing else...
i don't see it as much of a contradiction as to what he said in interviews, but more of an explanation on a sore topic for most fans...
right.
he said in an interview a while back, befiore the book came out that he left due to musical differences.
this is a contradiction to what he is saying in his book, according to your quotes.
your skills are still amazing though, don't get me wrong:haha:
#2396 Re: Guns N' Roses » There Was A Time (Lyrics) Fantastic » 903 weeks ago
I disagree. I love the music and I like the lyrics alot. I'd really like to know exactly what the tune is about personally.
The solo is good but I think it's a mix of everything that makes that ending great. I love the repeating "There was a time, do you want to know it all" in the back, I like the drum beat and I love the orchestrations.
The thing that takes it over the top and makes it one of my all time faves is Axls incredible vocal on it.
yeah i think the outro solo with the chorus screamed in the background by the master, axl rose, complimented each other very well. i i too think it is a masterpiece and would have fit on UY1 or 2 hands down. but i hope they went one way or the other on the final version. i thought the first leak was missing an intro but the second was missing a bit of firepower and the effects at the beginning didn't quite fit.
#2397 Re: Guns N' Roses » Claim About The Finished Album Sucking (Ross Halflin) » 903 weeks ago
russtcb wrote:JonathanvonDoom wrote:I'd like to know how this has deteriorated into a bloated pissing match for people to try and argue their opinions as fact with such condescending "I will word this better than you and therefore I am right" glee. Some of us like the leaks, really like them. Apparently some of us don't. That's all. I really, really like them. I'm not wrong. And so ... thank you. Go back to talking about the guy who claims to have the "finished" album.
I totally agree. I was thinking the same thing before I read your post. It's like how does a thread start the way this one did and then turn into me getting told (again) how superior Slash & BH are to GNR's current guitarists???
Getting back on track; Mick Wall and Ross Halfin are douches.
It ends up that way because it's how the majority of the people seem to feel. It's nothing personal and you're more than welcome to feel the way you feel. Just because most people don't agree with you doesn't mean you're wrong.
I'd like to know whay everybody in the media who won't lick Axl's nutsack gets called "douches" or some other senseless name. Instead of wasting time on those guys, why don't you address the people that are really the problem: Axl's yes men.
As for war, if the first 2 parts of something are so bad that you don't want to even listen to the rest, that's objectively saying it sucks. It doesn't take eating an entire field of onions to know that you don't like onions. It's your opinion he's not qualified or wrong, it's not a fact. Don't try to tell me what I'd agree with or how the recording process went because you know nothing about either subject.
1. saying it sucks would be an opinion. every album has fillers and if he was only willing to listen to the first 2 songs i would, personally, have the opinion that he would not be able to give an objective review of THE ALBUM. you cannot be objective about something you have not heard, that's for sure.
2. yur right - i do not know what you know. but was i wrong about the 2 things i said you/most would agree with? do you not think that guitars are a vital part to the rock genre? do you not think that any majority of rock songs would be boring if you took out the lead guitar and listened to them? please correct me if i am wrong. as far as the recording, you are right again. i was not there. but maybe i could e-mail one of the members who were and find out for sure if twat was written with the intnetion of having guitar work in it. although if i asked such a stupid question i don't think even ron would respond to that one.
#2398 Re: Guns N' Roses » Claim About The Finished Album Sucking (Ross Halflin) » 903 weeks ago
war wrote:buzzsaw wrote:You're wrong. The songs we've heard aren't all that good. BH saves TWAT much like Slash saved NR and Estranged, and Better is an ok song. Other than that, the songs are overrated and overbloated pieces of crap. If it's the demos he's heard, I think he called it exactly right depending on which 2 songs he heard. If it's a final copy and the songs are as overproduced as the demos are, he's right there as well. The only chance these songs have of mainstream success is a stripped down version that's less than 5 minutes long. Even then, by the time the album is released, the majority of the fan base will consider them old songs.
Anyone that thinks that CD is going to change the music world better hope it's never released or they will find the results even more disappointing than the wait.
I am not wrong. Opinion is opinion, not fact. To be objective and still understand that this is still arguing over opinion is not wrong. You can't objectively rate something without listening to all of it rather than the first two parts. This guy is either unqualified or this isn't true. Either way, we shouldn't be worried about the quality of the album based on this. And saying buckethead saved twat is like saying guitar is the only important instrument in the band. He is great on it, yes. i agree but if it was a bad song the only thing that would save it was it being totally rewritten. On the contrary, the reason buckethead shines on it is because it was written accordingly (for his great soloing) It's not like they had this crappy song complete with no soloing on it and buckethead came in and said, "hey axl put that porno in the dvd. You know that crappy song you wrote called TWAT. i am gonna save it. It will be great when i am done with it."
Actually, you are wrong. You're wrong because you are stating something as fact that is an opinion...I just followed up on it to see your response, and it was what I would expect.
NR - Slash = snooze fest. TWAT - BH = not worth listening to in any way. If the song was written for BH to shine, we wouldn't have to hear Axl repeating the same stupid line over and over instead of the solo. I'm the last person to defend BH because I'm not much of a fan, but his outtro to TWAT is the only thing I've heard worthy of the name Guns N' Roses. The rest of it is just filler.
actually, no i am not wrong about anything i stated as fact
slash plays on NR intentionally - fact
buckethead plays on TWAT intentially - fact
the songs were written with the intention of having guitar - fact
gnr is a rock band - fact
the guitar is a vital instrument to the rock sound - fact (technically an opinion but i think we'd all agree to that)
therefore.................
all gnr songs, with a few exceptions, would be boring without guitar - opinion (in reponse to your opinion)
same as metallica or system of a down, etc. etc. etc. etc. - opinion (in response to you OPINION)
and even, you would probably agree with that. although you would not admit it right now cause it would prove my point.
again..........it's not like axl was sitting around singing twat and buckethead and the rest of the guys showed up and "saved" the song by contributing good work.
and, IMO, i love the song by the way.....lyrics, vocals, arrangement, guitar, bass, drums, etc...........
#2399 Re: Guns N' Roses » Claim About The Finished Album Sucking (Ross Halflin) » 903 weeks ago
war wrote:even if he listened to the leaks he should have gotten past the second song. this is untrue or he is the most unqulaified person in the world to judge music. i gotta go out on a limb and say that the leaks are better than the rest of the music on that list. gunslinger and atari legend also bring up good reasons for why this is bullshit.
You're wrong. The songs we've heard aren't all that good. BH saves TWAT much like Slash saved NR and Estranged, and Better is an ok song. Other than that, the songs are overrated and overbloated pieces of crap. If it's the demos he's heard, I think he called it exactly right depending on which 2 songs he heard. If it's a final copy and the songs are as overproduced as the demos are, he's right there as well. The only chance these songs have of mainstream success is a stripped down version that's less than 5 minutes long. Even then, by the time the album is released, the majority of the fan base will consider them old songs.
Anyone that thinks that CD is going to change the music world better hope it's never released or they will find the results even more disappointing than the wait.
I am not wrong. Opinion is opinion, not fact. To be objective and still understand that this is still arguing over opinion is not wrong. You can't objectively rate something without listening to all of it rather than the first two parts. This guy is either unqualified or this isn't true. Either way, we shouldn't be worried about the quality of the album based on this. And saying buckethead saved twat is like saying guitar is the only important instrument in the band. He is great on it, yes. i agree but if it was a bad song the only thing that would save it was it being totally rewritten. On the contrary, the reason buckethead shines on it is because it was written accordingly (for his great soloing) It's not like they had this crappy song complete with no soloing on it and buckethead came in and said, "hey axl put that porno in the dvd. You know that crappy song you wrote called TWAT. i am gonna save it. It will be great when i am done with it."
#2400 Re: Guns N' Roses » Claim About The Finished Album Sucking (Ross Halflin) » 903 weeks ago
even if he listened to the leaks he should have gotten past the second song. this is untrue or he is the most unqulaified person in the world to judge music. i gotta go out on a limb and say that the leaks are better than the rest of the music on that list. gunslinger and atari legend also bring up good reasons for why this is bullshit.
