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#2351 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago
axl wouldn't have paid heavy money to hire them if things weren't meant to start moving
Very true.
But this Finck biz...it might have come out of the blue. I have a slight feeling this band doesnt really revolve around too much talking when nothing is happening.
you mean to each other?
#2352 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago
what a rollercoaster.
dr pepper and possible promo campaign of album
followed immediately by announcement of new management
then nothing
and now robin is potentially gone
then a potential leak
that turns out to be fake
i am hanging my cd hat on the new management move
axl wouldn't have paid heavy money to hire them if things weren't meant to start moving
i wish i could just go to sleep and set the alarm to chinese democracy
#2353 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago
to you and i you may be right but to the rest of the world nobody will notice when the promo starts and the album is released cause nothing is live at that point anyways. does axl really care what the media thinks. all press is good press anyways.
That might be true, but it's still not an ideal situation. Finck is tied up for the rest of 2008, so there will be no touring. That is just not good.
i agree with that at the same time
someone should e-mail ron or richard and find out what's going on
they are always good about responding
if we get no reponse or a shallow one chances are he is gone for good
#2354 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago
the album can come out while he is finishing up the nin tour
How would that work out PR wise uh? You release an album as a band but your main guitar player is busy playing for another band? To me that sounds like asking for trouble with the media in all aspects. And Axl needs all the positive PR he can get. It doesnt look good when your main guitar guy is off somewhere playing for Nince Inch Nails.
to you and i you may be right but to the rest of the world nobody will notice when the promo starts and the album is released cause nothing is live at that point anyways. does axl really care what the media thinks. all press is good press anyways.
#2355 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago
Robin Finck goes to tour with NIN for the rest of 2008. I think that's pretty much safe to say. Just what does that tell you people? You won't see the album this year at all. That's certainly NOT good as we all expected it would come out this year due to the previous rumours and halfway confirmations done.
So even if he IS in GNR but just tours with NIN to cover dead time then I would say that says a lot. For me it's a setback beyond most of what's been going on the past years. I thought with BH gone this band would be close to finished but they got that taken care of. If Stinson or Finck quits then that's just it. Then it's not a band but a parody.
If Finck just quit then I would say pretty much that that's it for this project. How can you go on tour without your two most important contributors to your albums in Finck and BH? You can replace people up to some point but you at least have to have them onstage when you promote your album.
So, best case, Finck is still in GNR and that means another year of nothing. And that is your BEST case scenario.
not true
the album can come out while he is finishing up the nin tour
#2356 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago
war wrote:certainly a worst case scenario
maybe...but i'm assuming that Robin will be the lead for NIN for the duration of the World Tour...will they start a world tour in July and end in September? thats only 2 months dude even till november is 4 months
gnr's world tour in 06 lasted from May until december then 2 months in 07 for june july...10 months 18 months if you count the time off at the start of 07
anyway we dont know the story until a statement is made right?
but i say March 09 is best case for robin to return...it still is possible that the album gets released for Xmas '08 and then starting in march they appear on late night shows with robin back on lead duties i think that is a quite plausible scenario...though we've been hoping for nov album releases for the last 8 years
don't xmas releases usually come out in november for shopping season?
#2357 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago
the fragility tour spanned from Nov 14, 1999 - July 9, 2000 - 8 months...77 Dates
for With Teeth NIN toured from Mar 23, 2005 - July 8th, 2006 - 17 Months...172 dates
for Year Zero Nin Toured from Feb 10th, 2007 - Sept 18, 2007 - 8 Months...83 dates and no US dates
so, to me, this says robin is out of gnr from 8 months to a year and half starting in late July of this year
so ... by my assumptions ..... Robin will be touring with NIN from July 25, 2008 until anywhere between March 2009 - January 2010, of course we dont know anything for sure until we get more confimations from either NIN or GnR as to the expected tenure of Robin's involvement with Trent...jsut putting the Ghosts wour in perspective with the last 3 NIN tours
so to answer war's post
war wrote:robin would be available to tour with gnr in late '08 or early '09 tour IN SUPPORT OF A LATE '08 CD RELEASE which is most likely the earliest it can come out at this point anyways.
i say early 09 at the very very earliest...maybe in time for the 09 summer tour season
certainly a worst case scenario
#2358 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago
chinese democracy is conformned by several in the gnr camp to be done
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robin would not quit gnr right now after 10 years of patience
the nin tour dates are listed through september 9th (more will come but it's only september)
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robin would be available to tour with gnr in late '08 or early '09 tour IN SUPPORT OF A LATE '08 CD RELEASE which is most likely the earliest it can come out at this point anyways
This changes nothing people.
If he is gone it would be because of some rare circumstance like a fight with axl or unresolved money issues but keep in mind robin is more of a band member in gnr than he is in NIN. he is mainly a hired touring musician for trent. he wants to be in gnr but is still free to do side projects when he is not needed like everyone else in the band.
#2359 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 898 weeks ago
Gunslinger wrote:Doesn't mean anything one way or the other in my opinion. We all know that even IF C.D. were to come out this year it would be LATE this year. Robin will probably see how NIN is looking and if GNR is looking better that's where he'll be...if Axl is still fucking around for a release "soon" a few months into the tour and Trent wants to record new material (he's very prolific) Robin will very likely say "bon voyage".
No, we didn't know it. As it takes 8 weeks to release the album and it's only early April, a summer tour had been possible till this Robin thing came out.
yes, it takes 8 weeks to promote and produce and release but.........
that doesn't just start when the album is done being recorded. axl just hired management - they need some time to do it right: find the right sponsors and the right time to release it. right now i would hope for a christmas shopping season release.
i already belive it will be late '08 because of the dr pepper thing. i know i am in the minority who beleives gnr was in on it from the beginning so i'll say it this way............if if they were not in on it, they will still milk the oppurtunity for all it's worth and a cross promotion with dr pepper entitled "free pop if gnr releases cd in '08" is not gonna yield a summer release - it's gonna yield a release late in the year for dramatic appeal.
#2360 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 899 weeks ago
war wrote:the album is done. axl doesn't need robin right now and he won't until gnr tours again which would be late '08 at the earliest. if he is still on tour with NIN axl willget him back or replace him if he has to. this will not effect the release of the album.
This must be the most hilarious thing I've ever read on this forum. How could Axl go on tour without his lead guitarist ?
The only way this is not going to affect the release of the album is if there was no release planned...
i can help you right now. you get somone else to play his parts. whewww! that was hard.
right now that's what they are all doing anyways, aren't they. playing other peoples' riffs. what did ya think they were gonna do if they release citr, only play it live when brian may is available?
or do yu think gnr should disband if robin quits? cause by your comment, he is irreplaceable and they have no other choice but to do that.
the only thing that is funny right now how much some of you are freaking out about this. especially since we do not even know if he is not coming back.
i like finck's writing ability but that is about it for what he does well. and since his parts are already writtten and the album is done he is replaceable. some of you are in love with him and that's fine but keep in mind that a large part of the gnr fans do not like him because he is technically inept as a guitarist.
i still think and hope bucket will come back - hell, maybe that is why robin quit (he found out axl plans to bting him back soon to support the album). i can only hope right now but it was the word on the street at one point that him and brain would come back when album was released.
