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#2241 Re: Guns N' Roses » Weiland identifies with Axl - RollingStone » 894 weeks ago
izzy quit after the albums were released but during the uyi tour
people are saying that is when axl took over
i beleive it started a little bit before izzy left but since izzy was a big songwriter his absence left a void in the whole writing and band chemistry and axl may have taken on most of the responsibility after that
this is why izzy leaving hurt gnr so much
#2242 Re: Guns N' Roses » Weiland identifies with Axl - RollingStone » 894 weeks ago
war wrote:James Lofton wrote:I jumped into this thread late. People actually think UYI is "Axl's vision"?
Go check the credits. Almost half of it is "Izzy's vision".
I agree with those that say the project was mainly just everyone bringing there own thing in, and the chemistry between the band was great so they pulled it off.
There was no "vision". It was a band on the verge of peaking, and they knew it. The albums have their faults, but lots of ambition in those tracks.
not "people" just me and my comment was misunderstood and quoted out of it's context and others jumped in afterwards possibly without even reading the original post/s. i think the uyi era is when axl began asserting himself more and his vision. he didn't write the majority of the songs but, for example, began acting more like a dictator; brining in horns and tracy and roberta and implimented a lot of piano work, etc.. these were his ideas and the others did not like them and so this could be attributed to a part of axl, which was both great as it helped make the album/s bigger and yet destructive as it aided in the break up of the band.
Axl wanted back ground singers...but Slash hired those 2...and the horns were Slash's idea. I dont think that this is when Axl started acting too too crazy...it wasnt til 1995-96 that axl went totally whacky...after slash came back from snake pit...axl just never showned up in the studio when the other guys were there during the uYI recording. from what i understand they were all ego maniacs and strung out, and they were all hard to work with and they all had specific ideas on what they wanted to hear. Izzy was getting clean around then too so he was having a hard time being around a bunch of junkies
the horns are not that important - those were just a couple of examples - there are more but you get the point an i agree axl wasn't out of control quite yet but he was cleaning up, himself. izzy decided to quit the band when he couldn't take the other band members'drug use and axl dealt with it by becoming controlling.
#2243 Re: Guns N' Roses » Weiland identifies with Axl - RollingStone » 894 weeks ago
war wrote:not "people" just me and my comment was misunderstood and quoted out of it's context and others jumped in afterwards possibly without even reading the original post/s.
Hey Bri, you've just stumbled upon a nice article to write for the Sun-Times.
Barack Obama posts at GNR Evolution.:haha: Strange that he uses the name war.
A signal to Iran?
just telling it like it is
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#2244 Re: Guns N' Roses » Weiland identifies with Axl - RollingStone » 894 weeks ago
I jumped into this thread late. People actually think UYI is "Axl's vision"?
Go check the credits. Almost half of it is "Izzy's vision".
I agree with those that say the project was mainly just everyone bringing there own thing in, and the chemistry between the band was great so they pulled it off.
There was no "vision". It was a band on the verge of peaking, and they knew it. The albums have their faults, but lots of ambition in those tracks.
not "people" just me and my comment was misunderstood and quoted out of it's context and others jumped in afterwards possibly without even reading the original post/s. i think the uyi era is when axl began asserting himself more and his vision. he didn't write the majority of the songs but, for example, began acting more like a dictator; brining in horns and tracy and roberta and implimented a lot of piano work, etc.. these were his ideas and the others did not like them and so this could be attributed to a part of axl, which was both great as it helped make the album/s bigger and yet destructive as it aided in the break up of the band.
#2245 Re: Guns N' Roses » Weiland identifies with Axl - RollingStone » 894 weeks ago
war wrote:if you want to blame axl alone then you need to give him alone credit for a couple of albums titled USE YOUR ILLUSIONS cause they were axl's vision and it was axl's vision that slash didn't agree with and that was a big factor in the breakup which started with the recording of these albums when axl took over creative control.
Wrong. Very, very wrong. The illusions album were not Axl's vision. They were a mish mosh of everybody's vision. Axl, Izzy, Slash, and Duff all had songs on there of their choosing. It was done in an effort to keep the peace and keep all sides as happy as possible. Obviously it didn't work, but if you think the Illusions albums were all Axl's vision, you need to go back and listen to them again.
you are proving my point anyways
why would they need to go out of their way to create a "mish mosh" in order "to keep the peace"?
answer: cause axl was already asserting himself and his visions and slash didn't like it.
i am not saying axl is reposnsible for creating uyi's by himself. i am saying his process of being himself on these two albums and as it pertained to being in the band left a huge mark on the albums and, at the same time, helped lead to the band's demise.
#2246 Re: Guns N' Roses » Weiland identifies with Axl - RollingStone » 894 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:war wrote:if you want to blame axl alone then you need to give him alone credit for a couple of albums titled USE YOUR ILLUSIONS cause they were axl's vision and it was axl's vision that slash didn't agree with and that was a big factor in the breakup which started with the recording of these albums when axl took over creative control.
Wrong. Very, very wrong. The illusions album were not Axl's vision. They were a mish mosh of everybody's vision. Axl, Izzy, Slash, and Duff all had songs on there of their choosing. It was done in an effort to keep the peace and keep all sides as happy as possible. Obviously it didn't work, but if you think the Illusions albums were all Axl's vision, you need to go back and listen to them again.
Anyone doubting what buzz is saying here can reference the Eddie Trunk interview to hear Axl say this for himself.
already did and it's not as relevant as my reasoning IMO
#2247 Re: Guns N' Roses » Weiland identifies with Axl - RollingStone » 894 weeks ago
war wrote:if you want to blame axl alone then you need to give him alone credit for a couple of albums titled USE YOUR ILLUSIONS cause they were axl's vision and it was axl's vision that slash didn't agree with and that was a big factor in the breakup which started with the recording of these albums when axl took over creative control.
Wrong. Very, very wrong. The illusions album were not Axl's vision. They were a mish mosh of everybody's vision. Axl, Izzy, Slash, and Duff all had songs on there of their choosing. It was done in an effort to keep the peace and keep all sides as happy as possible. Obviously it didn't work, but if you think the Illusions albums were all Axl's vision, you need to go back and listen to them again.
the only mish mosh was appetite
i am not saying axl wrote every song cause that isn't true. i am saying he had a dominant role in the making of the album and implimented his vision into the songs.
you need to go back and listen to the interviews i think
a lot of this is according to slash himself
he said at one point axl was telling him how to bend a note while he played it to him over the phone
oh and listening to the music proves my point not yours
tell me how much piano was in appetite?
ok good
#2248 Re: Guns N' Roses » Weiland identifies with Axl - RollingStone » 894 weeks ago
slash and duff had a part in the break up gnr
if you want to blame axl alone then you need to give him alone credit for a couple of albums titled USE YOUR ILLUSIONS cause they were axl's vision and it was axl's vision that slash didn't agree with and that was a big factor in the breakup which started with the recording of these albums when axl took over creative control.
these guys party before and after their shows when they are on tour. going on stage late had nothing to do with the break up of the band regardless of what slash says.
axl had a part in the break up of gnr as well. we all know that.
they all were responsible i believe.
like dtj said, bands break up up. and when they get that big they implode.
#2249 Re: Guns N' Roses » The GNR/Chinese Democracy Frustration Thread » 895 weeks ago
GNR had this for four years......
....and four years later, still couldn't get one record out.
and Bumblefoot and Frank are supposed to make a difference?
Don't make me laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8akmP6Sjv2o
I Conquer
#2250 Re: Guns N' Roses » Kansas City radio station just played IRS... » 895 weeks ago
thanks man - hopefully he will get back to me. i contacted him about something that didn't turn out to be true but may have stumbled upon something bigger.
