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#2211 Re: Guns N' Roses » Overall feelings on the CD era songs.... » 888 weeks ago
i started listening to gnr for one thing and one thing only - SLASH. i was 13 or so and appetite had just come out and all i wanted to do was listen to slash and learn to play guitar. over the years i began to appreciate the other musicians in gnr and other bands as i grew up. my point is you cannot say i am biased when i say i this: the gnr leaks blow anything vr has ever done out of the water. vr's songs are not messes because they are not that ambitous. if any other no name band had come up with these songs they never would have made it to the radio. the final mixes will not be for everyone but they will be much deeper and last longer than slither.
#2212 Re: Guns N' Roses » Song #2 (Unknown Title) » 888 weeks ago
bigbri wrote:James, you are more hopeful than I. I don't see Bucket back. Stranger things have happened in GNR's world though.
Axl and Bucket have never ruled out his return. There is always the possibility until Axl says it wont happen.
The fact he is willing to share his Dr.Pepper is interesting though. To share a soda, don't you have to be in the same room?:laugh:
Aussie, I think people are willing to accept the image with the music doing the talking.
i always had a strange feeling that this statement was a hint that bucket would return for the next tour after the album release. then robin left and it fit more. i can only imagine how difficult it would be to work with both axl and bucket.
#2213 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences in the "old" new leaks.... » 888 weeks ago
James, I get what you're saying and I agree in general. The problem is that the songs that aren't for certain people aren't just not as good, they are awful. With UYI, people prefered certain songs, but other than My World, how many of those songs were unlistenable when the albums came out? Sure, I don't listen to all of them today, but I did when they came out.
The other thing that you say that is complete BS is that Slash would cower on these songs. I'm going to let you in on a not so little secret: the general public prefers Slash to BH. Not everybody thinks that BH adds to the songs. He hasn't risen to public fame as a result of his exposure in GnR. More people would prefer a "sloppy" Slash sound to these songs over the electronic, mechanical sound. More people are going to prefer BBF adding a more natural sound to the songs. Just because you and a select few other people are more outspoken about it doesn't make it so.
IF BH is so talented and everybody knows he's so much better than everybody else, why isn't he more popular? God knows he releases enough music and it's easy enough to get, so why isn't there a huge BH following in the mainstream? If ANYBODY outside of Axl should have boosted his popularity as a result of the leaks, wouldn't it be BH? So what happened? Certainly the whole world can't be missing out on his brilliance?
popularity does not equate to "being better".
slash is a lot more known than BH because he played with one of the greatest bands of all time through it's entire peak of popularity and so he got much much more exposure than BH. So he is more popular because of it.
#2214 Re: Guns N' Roses » Overall feelings on the CD era songs.... » 888 weeks ago
These demos(all of them) shit all over VR in my opinion.
Its not even close.
i am surprised anyone would disagree
#2215 Re: Guns N' Roses » Overall feelings on the CD era songs.... » 888 weeks ago
russtcb wrote:Gunslinger wrote:All in all I like what I have heard, I thought New Song 2 was good, not much into "If the World" and really glad to hear Riyadh in studio form. Better and the Blues are still my favorite.
If this is pretty much the album it's ok, not great but does have moments. I still kind of believe what we have heard was to keep interest somewhat alive and there is a strong possibility that there may be stronger tracks waiting. Just an opinion.
Speaking of which, what could be left that we know of? If I'm guessing right:
Sorry
The General
Thyme
This I LoveCorrect?
Checkmate
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xs8XkywjO80
I've been waiting to hear this for years.
the clip of checkmate that we all know is gnr sounds like a great track
add a couple great rockers to the mix of what we already have and it could really go from a "decent" album to a completely cool album
#2216 Re: Guns N' Roses » Overall feelings on the CD era songs.... » 888 weeks ago
war wrote:"catchy" does not equal great song unless you are talking pop music
True, but "incoherent" almost certainly equals not so great song.
That's my general opinion on these songs (all of them), they're incoherent and overproduced.Oh, and someone should ritually slaughter Chris Pittman!
LOL!
or atleast remove half of his parts from better
the phone's ringing can someone get it. it's for for you chris, it's axl, he says you're fired.
#2217 Re: Guns N' Roses » Overall feelings on the CD era songs.... » 888 weeks ago
Communist China wrote:I think this material stands up to UYI, is a very worthy edition to the GN'R catalogue. I do sometimes tire of it though, it doesn't seem to have the staying power that all the layering should create. What I really feel CD is meant to be, is like a firmly rock ridden version of NIN's The Fragile. Because of the layering, complexity, and grand production value... but it's not. I often think mixing NIN with Guns would create amazing material. Throwing in Axl and guitar solos to The Fragile like orchestral and acoustic music backdrops, you'd think, would create mindblowing pieces. But for every If The World, there's a Madagascar, which just doesn't get there.
It's not the greatest thing ever.
It's pretty damn great though.
It's weird how wide ranging the opinions are when it comes to the new material. I'm more of the opinion that for every Madagascar(2nd best CD song in my opinion) there's an If the World that doesn't quite get there. The most truthful thing that Axl ever said just might be when he suggested there will be stuff some people love, stuff that some people hate but there will be something for everyone.
i hear ya but i would never compare these particular two
madagascar is my favorite song if i had to pick one out of all of them
#2218 Re: Guns N' Roses » Overall feelings on the CD era songs.... » 888 weeks ago
"catchy" does not equal great song unless you are talking pop music
quickly off the top of my head the blues and if the world both have great choruses, without trying to list them all.
the only dissappointment i have so far is the ballad dominated running list we have so far but i have faith that the rest of cd will be heavier.
#2219 Re: Guns N' Roses » Let the reunion rumors roll... » 889 weeks ago
war wrote:i don't think you are making things up i just think you are having a hard time getting to the truth
The arrogance of this is insane. your opinion is truth. Gotcha. Hypocrit.
war wrote:everything i have said is backed by fact or music theory - i noticed you didn't even coment on the mr brownstone point. an honest person would have said, "good point"
Holy fuck. You're right. I'm the furtherst thing you'll ever find when it comes to an honest person. That or I'm the most honest legit person you will EVER meet. Piss off with that comment.
war wrote:everything you've said is backed by how many shows you've gone to which doesn't mean anything to anyone else
Well it's backed by everyone I was with. Odd isn't it.
war wrote:axl doesn't have mic problems every show nor is he bad live. he's just not as good as he is in the studio. the thing is, again, he does so many amzing things in the studio that not even he can repeat that same level live nor could any of your heroes which don't have the range or the drastic variety of both rasp and clean vocal colors. that doesn't make him bad live - that makes him human
My money says you've never seen David Usher live and knowing that I'll assume you've never seen a singer with such an amazing / powerful live voice. He's not my favorite but I recognize it. Have you been to half the live shows I've been too? Just asking cause I'm pretty damn sure my experience when it comes to live shows is twice or triple the average person. That's my whole fucking point. I've been to so many live shows where the singer puts on a much more powerful performance vocally than Axl was in 2006. Performers who I like a fraction of the amount that I like Gn'R/Axl. Funny how last tour a major comment/complaint among fans was Axl's vocals being too low in the mix. they're all dishonest as I am I guess.
war wrote:"comprehend being heard" - kinda insulting but whatever. to the point (mic volume) - i do beleive it is the result of his lack of confidence in his voice but it represents a very small part of his professional career.
You have the audacity to say that's insulting yet you basically called me a dishonest person. Also you pretty much agree with me here suggesting Axl's vocal mix may be low. Pick a side and stick with it otherwise your arguement is shit.
war wrote:i haven't been to every gnr show but i have been to several and there wasn't mic or vocal problems at any of them. and since he is not your hero i am guessing that you haven't been to all of his shows either and wouldn't be able to objectively speak for the majority.
Nope but i'd say haveing shitty vocal mixes in 3 of 3 shows I went to in 2006 and reading so many fans voice their concerns over the same issue in 2006 makes my point of view a very legit one. And let's make it very clear Axl is not my hero. Put that in bold type all you want. Doubt it all you want but trust me he's anything but my hero. Also believe me when I say this: the majority of people attending a Gn'R show in 2006 would have issues with the volume of Axl's vocals. It's only fans on these sites that would say it sounded fantastic.
You know what's also really funny. Is how many people in 2002 were raving about how good Axl sounds but suddenly in 2006 those same people were saying how bad he sounded and how much better he sounds now. Fans not wanting to see the forest for the trees. justifying their hero's abilities regardless. Think about it.
on the other hand, going to 100's of shows doesn't make you objective. and, i am sorry, 3 out of 3 is your proof? that's no where near enough evidence to permently label him a bad performer or vocalist neither is the fact that your friends, who were probably at the same shows, have the same opinion as you. i wouldn't have to look far to find thousands of people that have seen him perform live who would disagree. again, i agree that axl rose is an inconsistent vocalist and has had mic issues out of a small precentage of his shows. some could have been technical problems and others might have been due to his lack of confidence. being unconfident doesn't mean you are hiding something or can't sing. some of the most brialliant and talented people suffer from depression and severe self doubt. but he is not a "bad" singer live. that is absurd. again, he sets the bar higher than the previous mentioned, to the point that even he cannot copy night in and night out. another analogy: kobe bryant goes 8 for 24 in 45 minutes shooting and any other no name on the bench goes 8 for 8 in 18 minutes. the bench player is not a better player or performer than kobe bryant, he simply had a good day shooting open jumpers while kobe is demanding the double team. and this happens often enough to where i can honestly say that people have gone to games and seen it happen more than three times. when axl rose sings in his natural range he has as strong a voice and as consistently as anyone in his field. if you disagree with that that is fine but i do not have the time to continue arguing with you nor to address the rest of your post for reasons i will keep to myself.
#2220 Re: Guns N' Roses » Let the reunion rumors roll... » 889 weeks ago
I'd like to throw my hat out there and say this:
I saw GNR live in 91 and 93. As far as vocal volume, 93 was better then 91 (in the same venue). As far as vocal quality 93 was better then 91 but not by much.
Saw them again in 02 at the venue as above. No problem volume-wise but quality was terrible (read: helium) for most of the show.
Saw them twice in 06 (at Hammerstein first and second at the same venue as above). Hammerstein seemed like the vocals were low when I was there, but are mixed well in the bootleg. The second show vocals were mixed fine, but lower then I think I've ever heard before. Quality-wise: Best ever. Hands down.
and cinsistent with what i originally said. he is returning to top form and so the volume will come.
