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#201 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 179 weeks ago
Freese's isolated drums from Hardschool are insane, so is the TIL accapella
I will never understand why they swapped out the drums from the demo for the ones on the finished version. Especially when Axl cheerfully left Brain's drumming on Absurd.
#202 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 179 weeks ago
Scabbie wrote:I'm still not with you all. Are you saying hoarders have a copy of what was destined to be the follow up to CD, all tracks (incl. vocals) recorded mixed and mastered? Or just various additional songs to the first album in various states of completion that COULD have been CD2?
What I am saying is that there are alternate versions of Chinese Democracy that were circulated before the album release. These alternate versions contain different songs - at least two that weren't on the locker leaks -, mixes and tracklists.
About the follow up album I have no info whatsoever and would love to hear it or about it
Well, I'm definitely more interested in more finished 2006-vintage tracks with Robin, Bucket and Bumble. Not so bothered about the prospect of hearing Stay of Execution tracks with DJ Ashba plastered all over them.
#203 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 179 weeks ago
AI isn't there yet but it will be at some point, fan remixes take a lot more time without AI than I think they will with it. You only need to ask Evader how many hours he plunged into his version on The general. If AI speeds it up there will be more and the fanbase will be flooded.
I'm very much looking forward to being able to, for example, feed an AI the demo version of Hardschool and the released Hard Skool, and saying, "Replace the drums on the finished version with the drums from the demo." Or "Replace the vocals on This I Love with the ones from the remix, dial up the orchestra a fraction and replace the solo with Slash's live version from Orlando 2016." We're not far off being able to do that sort of thing.
#204 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 179 weeks ago
I'm confused but I think James was saying there's a second album worth of leftover tracks that also leaked around the time of the Cather/Hardschool leaks in the early 2000s but that is less circulated.
Additionally I think I recall MSL saying he had follow up to CD album pre-reunion around the time he had all Axl's documents/laptop or whatever it was and was threatening to release it himself if the band didn't release some details soon. His deadline came and went and all that happened was he became pro-team brazil and Axl all of a sudden. I can only speculate as to why.
Kinda confusing because to me, "Chinese Democracy II" implies it's the "Stay of Execution" album that was ready to go in the 2010s. If it's a bunch of Chinese Democracy offcuts from the 2000s... haven't we heard that already in the locker leaks? What's new that isn't there?
#205 Re: Guns N' Roses » Why do people tend to take Tommy's word for everything? » 179 weeks ago
It gets worse when you consider Hard Skool. They decided to splice in some half done vocals from Eye on You, because obviously that song was never completed beyond its locker leaks form, and there was no unheard Axl material to take it from either, and apparently it was completely out of the question for Axl to do any new vocals.
Or, alternatively: there's no point dragging Axl into the studio to record some "ah-aaahs" when you can pull them from an unreleased demo that's in the same tempo and key, which maybe a few hundred people have heard, and maybe 20 people are actually going to pick up on.
These sort of shortcuts are routine when producing music or films, or other creative work that's assembled in the edit. For example: you're making a film with, say, Ryan Gosling. You're in the edit, months after shooting, and you need a cutaway shot of him reacting to a line. Do you 1) rebuild the set either physically or using VFX, and drag the A-list actor down to the studio to record a two-second shot, or 2) find a bit of footage where he's glancing in the right direction, from before the director called "action"?
#206 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 180 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:AgesOfTheIce wrote:Seems the fear we have is that the next singles coming out will be stuff we've already heard.
To be fair we've only heard that stuff because we're downloading motherfuckers. If the locker leaks hadn't happened, all the Chinese leftovers would be brand new songs to us. Sure, there probably would've been gripes about Atlas Shrugged being an old song, but literally no-one knew about Perhaps or State of Grace or Eye on You before the leaks; IIRC their titles had never been mentioned, so it's highly likely the fans would've (initially) hailed them as all-new songs.
If those songs hadn't leaked.....they wouldn't have been released.
That's a pattern for 21st century GNR. If leaks don't happen.... nothing gets released.
Only reason Chinese Democracy had three unheard songs is because they needed to pad out the album.
Yeah, but my point is... you don't get to complain that a song "isn't new" to you when you made the conscious decision to download an incomplete demo version of it before the artist chose to release it. If you'd chosen not to listen to it, then the song would be new to you if/when the polished, Slashified version popped up on Spotify (if indeed it ever did so).
That goes double when we had no inkling that many of the near-complete tracks from the lock-up auction, like Perhaps, existed. If Axl had chosen to release them on his own timetable, for all we knew they would've been entirely new songs cooked up by the NITL lineup. They certainly would've represented music that was new to us.
Would Axl have released them without the demos leaking? Who can say; it's irrelevant to the point I'm making.
#207 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 180 weeks ago
Seems the fear we have is that the next singles coming out will be stuff we've already heard.
To be fair we've only heard that stuff because we're downloading motherfuckers. If the locker leaks hadn't happened, all the Chinese leftovers would be brand new songs to us. Sure, there probably would've been gripes about Atlas Shrugged being an old song, but literally no-one knew about Perhaps or State of Grace or Eye on You before the leaks; IIRC their titles had never been mentioned, so it's highly likely the fans would've (initially) hailed them as all-new songs.
#208 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 180 weeks ago
Having listened to it: why the hell couldn't they get Axl to sing Pass You By? That would've been a perfect GN'R song, right there.
#209 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 180 weeks ago
Duff has probably had the best solo career IMO. Believe in Me is practically a lost GN'R record, Walking Papers is a fantastic band. Tenderness got plaudits from Bob Dylan!
#210 Re: Guns N' Roses » Using AI to give Axl Rose´s voice back » 181 weeks ago
How would everyone feel if GNR used these techniques to create new material as James suggested? Feels similar to the whole debate as to whether bands should use backing tracks live...
In studio? I suspect we'd never know if they were using it or not (if Axl even needs something like this in studio). Live, I suspect it would be more obvious (if it's even possible to do something like that in real time). TBH I don't see it as a particular issue – like I say, it's effectively just another form of vocal effect, and vocalists routinely employ those without batting an eyelid. And there's all sorts of vastly more dubious trickery employed in live performance; IIRC one famous drummer from the 70s basically mimes live while a session drummer pounds away behind the curtain, for instance.
In some ways it's more authentic than slapping some Pro Tools effect over Axl's voice, since it is his voice – used as training data to apply a layer over his current voice. If actors' appearances can be digitally de-aged using data based on their previous appearance, why not singers' voices?
Axl himself might have a different opinion though, especially given how obviously proud he is of running around performing live.
