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#201 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy tweet about Axl and Duff interview » 459 weeks ago

johndivney wrote:

You guys act like the sun shines out of Richard Fortus's big nose.


Fucks sake. It's Izzy fuckin Stralin you're talking about here. You don't talk that way about Keef or George Harrison do you?!

Keith Richards once said, "You never quit the band." Izzy not only quit the band, he even quit the actual legal partnership behind the scenes. It freed him up to ride dirtbikes in the middle of nowhere instead of dealing with all of the legal bullshit the other 3 did over the last 25 years, but it also meant that he gave up a ton of leverage for this reunion situation.

#202 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy tweet about Axl and Duff interview » 459 weeks ago

jimmythegent wrote:

To clarify, he was not THE sole single songwriter - he was a major factor and hugely influential part of their sound and attitude. To dismiss him in the importance of GNR legacy for the sake of more $$ is sad is all I'm saying...

Of the group...I don't blame Slash. Divorce and all. Gotta get the money back from that situation. Squeezing out Stradlin helps him get back the money he gave to Perla. Duff was the peacemaker for Axl and Slash, so maybe he feels like he fully earned his share and shouldn't have to give up anything. Axl is Izzy's oldest connection in the band, but maybe he holds it against Izzy that he demanded large amounts of cash in previous guest appearances with nu-GN'R. Who knows.

#203 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy tweet about Axl and Duff interview » 459 weeks ago

johndivney wrote:
tejastech08 wrote:

He did not write the main riffs on songs like Jungle, Child, or Paradise City. These particular songs were written based on Slash's riffs. It's revisionist history to say Izzy came up with those big guns that the general public most associates with this band. Axl is most responsible for the lyrics and vocal melodies of those songs. The band would be a little cult band if Sweet Child didn't blow up the way it did.


When did we start keeping score by the hits, or what the general public most associates with? Not getting at you tejastech, I've seen other people say this as well. It's just, we're here because we love all the records and songs & know the value of them. So when you're saying that PC is more valuable than say Coma, well that doesn't really cut it in these parts: it's the tunes that matter, not the amount of cash the song makes.

Look at it this way, would you be a fan if there had been only Jungle, SCOM & PC on AFD? There must be more to it than that to have kept you a fan for fuckin however many number of years? Izzy's contributions must've played some part in that.

There'd have been absolutely nothing wrong had they just been a cult band. We'd still have had the tunes, that's all that matters.

Because that is ultimately what is driving this stadium tour. I love Izzy's contributions. But I'm not Joe Schmoe casual fan buying a ticket to the stadium tour. Those fuckers pay to see the really big hits. This all started with someone claiming Izzy was THE principal songwriter. I straight up disagree with that notion. He is a damn good songwriter and he played an important role in the band, but I don't believe there was a single principal songwriter. This wasn't Motley Crue. It was a group of talented songwriters.

#204 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy tweet about Axl and Duff interview » 459 weeks ago

jimmythegent wrote:

Riffs are not everything my friend - yes they were hugely important to the big Guns sound. Izzy laid the foundation through his bare bones playing that those songs sprung forth from. I am in no way minimising Axl and Slash in terms of their criticality to the sound of classic Guns - I am just saying Izzy was critical also, and to overlook that contribution is to dismiss and overlook a very critical part of their sound - hence it is disappointing he is being excluded from this due to what amounts to nothing more than greed

You called Izzy THE principal songwriter. That is going over the top in my opinion. If Izzy was THE principal songwriter (like Nikki Sixx in Motley Crue), we would have ended up with a cult band no doubt about it. Maybe that would have been a good thing and they would have had a lot more longevity. We sure as shit would not have this stadium tour going on right now with all the money-grab stuff involved.

They are all important in the songwriting process. People don't even like to give Adler his due credit, yet we had entire threads on the GN'R forums this summer bitching about how Frank plays way too fast and ruins the tempo of the songs. The Appetite 5 created magic together, but ultimately the current situation is the way it has to be for business reasons.

#205 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy tweet about Axl and Duff interview » 459 weeks ago

jimmythegent wrote:

Disagree his post GNR discography is the worst - quite the opposite in fact, however that will be forever a subjective point.

You can re-write history to big up the Axl/Slash theory of songwriting all you want - Izzy bought the bare bones and the others worked the magic off of it. His sense of Stonesy, bluesy timing and sensibility was absolutely crucial to their sound and once he left it was never the same. Amazes me the revisionism of some fans in that regard but i guess we all see things differently

He did not write the main riffs on songs like Jungle, Child, or Paradise City. These particular songs were written based on Slash's riffs. It's revisionist history to say Izzy came up with those big guns that the general public most associates with this band. Axl is most responsible for the lyrics and vocal melodies of those songs. The band would be a little cult band if Sweet Child didn't blow up the way it did.

#206 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy tweet about Axl and Duff interview » 459 weeks ago

It was absolutely about money from Day 1. Go look at the history of the Sunset Strip. All 5 guys jumped around to a bunch of different bands trying to find one that could be financially successful.

#207 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy tweet about Axl and Duff interview » 459 weeks ago

jimmythegent wrote:

They were all important but in my opinion, he was crucial to the creation of amazing songs. He was the catalyst. Look at how many great songs they mustered post his departure. Says it all.

He was critically important to the chemistry of the band for sure. No doubt about it. But he wasn't the main writer on their most popular songs (Jungle, Child, Paradise, November).

#208 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy tweet about Axl and Duff interview » 459 weeks ago

THE principal songwriter? I think that is overstating Izzy's role. He was important but so were the others. This wasn't Motley Crue where one guy was writing everything.

#209 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy tweet about Axl and Duff interview » 459 weeks ago

I'm a fan of Izzy, but the other 3 have every right to stand their ground. He quit on them in the middle of a massive world tour. Why should they give him an equal share now? Flip side is that he helped write the songs and he has every right to feel that he should receive equal treatment. Neither side is wrong.

#210 Re: Guns N' Roses » San Diego » 460 weeks ago

Brett wrote:

It would be ridiculous for Angus to can AC/DC when Axl obviously wants on board in the worst of ways.

I disagree. Cliff is retiring. Angus is the last guy left and I wouldn't blame him if he decides to retire the AC/DC name.

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