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#191 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs. The Beatles » 704 weeks ago
No really when these types of comparisons come up nothing post TSI enters into it for me in terms of who i like better and who i consider to be the greatest frontman ever. Now if we complicate things and enter in a bunch of criteria including longevity and how well a performer has aged then sure Axl's stock falls big time but not when it comes to these classic band showdowns.
#192 Re: Guns N' Roses » 11-21-2012 The Joint, Las Vegas (Being filmed in 3D) » 704 weeks ago
I agree artistically DONE and likley ahs been since 1999. I have a question:
If Axl came out and said there will not be another album, they're not going to record anything, would those of you supporting the live show continue to do so?
#193 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs. The Beatles » 704 weeks ago
Nirvana marked the end of the mass-public's fleeting fascination with stadium rock of the 1980s...but trends like that were always bound to evolve....and nirvana itself has not dated well.....here in 2013..afd is starting to sound a lot more timeless than Bleach...IMO....
I agree with this. It's not limited to Nirvana either. My least favourite Pear Jam album has always been TEN and to me it's the most dated of all their albums. Nirvana definitely has a very dated 90s sound to them. I've never been into Nirvana but when they first broke onto the scene they sounded fresh. Now they sound incredibly dated. Nirvana's music though classic is just as dated as MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice in my opinion and again this isn't limited to Nirvana. It applies to a lot of those early 90's "grunge" bands. AFD on the other hand sounds incredibly fresh in the year 2013. The Illusion albums sound awfully dated in comparison. That's another thing that makes AFD one of the greatest albums of all time. It has a timeless quality to it. It sounds as good today as the day it was released.
#194 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs. The Beatles » 704 weeks ago
I do wonder how the drama effects it though.
Like if GNR ended in 199% with TSI.
Never had CD sessions, Axl never did a show with Robin or without rasp, Slash never played Neutered in VR, if all 5 of them (god forbid) had died or something back then...then I'd be curious to see how you guys would rate them then.
it's noticable bands like Zep and Beatles never really had that slow decline in the same way - they just ended and I think it adds to the mystique.
The only thing I consider when I consider Guns N' Roses is 87-94. I don't rate the CD sessions or anyting post TSI as Guns N' Roses. In name sure but I don't consider it at all when talking about Gn'R's Legacy. When comparing Gn'R to toher abnds liek Zeppelin, Beatles, Stones, I don't for one second eneter CD into the equation.
#195 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs. The Beatles » 704 weeks ago
Not looking for a meltdown, I just don't get the fascination with them. They have some catchy pop tunes but they all seem about the same to me since the late 80s. I don't hate U2, I just don't think they are special.
I'm not gonna meltdown but to say U2 has just done the same thing over and over since the 80's is ridiculous.
The Edge is an innovative guitar player whether people like his style or not. There's a reason why he was chosen to be inthe film It Might Get Loud.
U2 has evolved in trilogies really. the have eras of three albums that sound completely different to the next three.
1. Boy, October, War
2. Unforgettable Fire, Joshua Tree, Rattle & Hum
3. Achtung Baby. Zoororpa, Pop (Passengers if you conisder it a U2 album which many fans do)
4. All that You Can't Leave Behind, How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, No Line on the Horizon.
the sounds of these eras are so completely different from each other era. There is no denying they have grown and evolved over the course of their career and thanks to The Edge they do have a distinct U2 sound in each era. And I'd argue the trasnformation fo the band from 1989- 1991 was the most daring evolution of a band ever. At least in terms of a massively popular band. They were arguable the biggest band on earth yet they overhaulded their entire sound and image and did so with huge success. You may not like the band or their music but that is irrelevant when talking about a band in terms of how some people have chose to talk about th Beatles for ths poll. I's not about personal taste it's about acknowldging what a band has accomplished and done.
#196 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs. The Beatles » 704 weeks ago
Yeah, but that's just boring.
To me it's a matter of artistry combined with world wide popularity. Elvis and MJ have sold about as much, but they didn't write their own music by and large and I consider them mainly entertainers.
Innovation etc. counts for something, but it's usually a case of being first and shouldn't weigh too much if we are to try and "objectively" rank the quality of music. Either way Beatles wins.
GN'R could legitimately contend for the title of best hard rock band though, I think they and Zep are a notch above in that category.
Ok so do a U2 vs GnR poll. By these standards U2 should win easily. Innovation? The Edge basically created an entire style of guitar playing whereas Gn'R and Slash didn't really create anything. Artistry? U2 have stretched themselves more than Gn'R ever did. Longevity? U2. Grammys? U2. album sales? U2. world wide popularity?.... tour numbers say U2. #1 hits? U2. #1 albums? U2. Influence on new popular bands? U2. have contributed songs to other artists? U2.
Techical ability as musicians? Gn'R
Now I'm not saying anyone here needs to vote U2 over Guns N' Roses but going by the criteria some of you are going off u2 should be a landslide win over Gn'R as well but would people have the same issue with Gn'R winning the poll? No. Thing is when you simply ask "who's better" people tend to vote for who they persoanlly think is better.
I guess the problem with the poll is you've got people voting based on different criteria. Had it been worded different I'd vote or the Beatles for sure.
#197 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Vs. The Beatles » 704 weeks ago
RussTCB wrote:Although I voted for Zep, I could see how people might like GN'R better. With this one though, I just don't understand how one could argue that GN'R is better.
One could certainly prefer GN'R, but it's hard to make an argument against the Beatles for best band.
the argument is easy. Who do you like better. Simple. Now if people wana debate thisto the end of the earth maybe there shoudl've been a detailed criteria on what we were voting on. But "Who's better" to me is simply who do I think is better. guns N' Roses are the reason I'm a music fan not the Beatles. Guns N' Roses were and still are a big part of my life. the Beatles never have been. I like the Stones better than the Beatles too and think they are a better band, with better songs. It's not hard to make an argument when you like one band more than the other.
the poll should've said "which band has had a greater impact on music and which band as a collective are better song writer and which band paved the way fr other bands more?"
That's how it shoudl've been worded if people are offended that some of us are voting for Guns N' Roses.
#198 Re: Guns N' Roses » 11-21-2012 The Joint, Las Vegas (Being filmed in 3D) » 704 weeks ago
I don't know what to tell you...I was there on a different night and I couldn't hear shit over the music. I could hear he was singing, and from time to time I could hear him clearly, but a lot of it was him jumbled with the music from where I was standing. I wasn't far from Russ - maybe he heard it crystal clear from where he was and my hearing is off, but he didn't sound anywhere near as clear as he did in that video to my ears.
In December 2006 his vocals were pretty much non existant for the entire Calgary show It was brutal. yet Baz sounded great when he opened. A few nights lately in Edmonton it was better but barely yet once again Baz sounded great. In fact Axl was completey inaudible for the entire Paradise City performance in Edmonton. Yet in January 2010 in Calgary he sounded fucking amazing. Makes no sense. Most ammature outfit of all time.
Covers or not, they still require vocal effort. Let's not forget that he was running from the side to side in this "Paradise City" video. If he really did not want to be there, I honestly believe he would not do that. Look at what happened in Dublin in 2010 after he came back on stage. He stood there and sang in one place. He hardly moved. That was indicative of not wanting to be there. And, if he really didn't want to tour, he could do what he's done for so much of the last 20 years: not tour.
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There's a big difference between getting into a performance and wanting to be on tour. I don't want to go to work everyday but even the days I don't want to be there there are moments I enjoy. Saying Axl running from side to side during a performance of PC is a clear sign he wants to be on tour is a huge stretch. He's a performer what do you expect him to do? Pout the way he did in dublin all show, all tour? Not gonna happen even if he absolutely hated being there. To be fair there is no real proof that he doesn't want to be there either, just all speculation but you can't using running around on stage as proof he wants to be there.
#199 Re: Guns N' Roses » 11-21-2012 The Joint, Las Vegas (Being filmed in 3D) » 704 weeks ago
I don't know how or why, but Axl doesn't sound that bad when you're there. I can't explain it; it defies logic.
Slash plays the songs with such ease and flow that GnR can't replicate. They play the right notes, but it just doesn't sound right. I can't really explain that either because I respect them all as musicians...it's almost like they play it too clean if that makes any sense. I don't really care about the drummers, but maybe this is what people that love Adler hear vs Matt on the AFD songs. To my ears Matt is fine, but I'm not a drums guy at all.
As far as Axl goes I think it's a combination of being caught up in the moment when you're there and the vocals not being as clear when you're there so you don't realize how bad he sounds. I agree that he sounds so much better when you're there but this weird phenomenon of Axl sounded great when you're there and sounding like crap on film seems to only apply to Axl. I can't think of another artists who is so night and day when you see them in person compared to seeing them on video.
I have no idea what it is about the band. Like you I respect the guys in Guns big time but for whatever reason it just doesn't sound right. People have mocked the idea that suggests they can't match Slash's tone but it's just a simple fact for those who hear it. There's somehting about the way Slah can perform the songs that nobody else can truly replicate even when they hit all the same notes. It's weird.
#200 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses vs The Wiggles » 704 weeks ago
WAIT.
If we're talking about "The REAL Wiggles" than I'd vote for them all day. But based on this:
http://www.abc.net.au/local/videos/2012 … 633574.htm
GN'R gets my vote. No way in HELL do I vote for Nu-Wiggles...
Nu-Wiggles that's awesome. Too funny
