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#11 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 714 weeks ago
Black people are not discriminated against in this country.
That is a MASSIVE lie perpetuated for years.
Whites are the fuckin' minority in this country. The U.S. government actually planned to officially announce "White, of Hispanic Origin" as the U.S. majority awhile back, and took so much shit for it, it was buried because we gotta keep the status quo working for the liberals.
jpp i'll grant you you know you're country better than I do, but there is a SHIT LOAD of stuff you've said in the last two pages that I swear to God came right off of "Democracy Now!" on Link TV.
Alot of stuff you've said in here is straight out of liberalism indoctrination in colleges throughout the world, which frankly DOES NOT EXIST in America on the level it's reported.
Just remember something next time you think YOU KNOW America... everything you get is told from a slant, no different than the stuff we get.
I do agree with America needing to stay out of everyone's business (just on financial reasons alone), but Randall is a U.S. soldier who has a FAR BIGGER AND MORE ACCURATE view on the situation in Iraq, then some internet keyboard badass sitting in South America which has no clue on an American war other than being an armchair quarterback.
Calling someone a racial slur(whatever it may be) isnt the only way to discriminate people. And being the mayority doesnt exclude them from being discriminated. Look at South Africa. A majority of black people discriminated by a white majority. Theres also economical discrimination, not everyone getting the same chance of a good life, theres much more than racial slur, gender issues.
Democracy Now, yeah right. Liberal indoctrination in colleges aroud the world, you must be kidding me, right? Seriously? You think theres a current liberal indoctrination going on in the world, maybe youre hearing too much Rush Limbaugh.
In school i got the same bullshit you got, a proper capitalist christian education. Give me a break, someone says something bad of the US and it must be a liberal or a socialist.
I never said america was a shithole, unlike randall, i just pointed out that america isnt perfect. That is it. If hes a soldier my respects to him, hes doing something brave, hes fighting for is country, maybe hes doing it for a good cause, and he believes in that cause. Fine.
But the point i was making is who made the US the world police, who gave you the right to meddle in everyones bussines. Thats it, and you agreed, so cool it.
And im not a internet keyboard badass, im just discussing something on the internet. Im trying to be respectful with everyone, and what i got? A guy saying i was envious of the US and the same guy calling my country a gutter.
Are you stupid or just ignorant? Sadam was in power before Regan was even elected. But that doesn't fit the delusion you hold about US influence. You want to emulate Germany and Japan? Hmmm, what country rebuilt those two nations? Can someone help me out here.
Maybe im both, dunno. You helped rebuil Japan and Germany? Congrats.
Fine reagan didnt help saddam, but the CIA did. The rest of the stuff was true, you gave them guns, tanks, chemical weapons, and shitloads of money. You stood by when saddam murdered 500000 communists and kurds and when he invaded Kuwait you let him go.
15 years and a cool million kids dead cause of US sanctions later you remembered he was bad and went after him.
Your country has the same freedoms as America my ass. America is constitutionally obligated to finance the catholic church, like yours is. My country doesn't mandate that its leaders be catholic, like yours does.
So the abysmal difference in peoples right you found between Argentina and the US is our president has to be Catholic and yours dont? Amazing.
Those groups you mentioned, Jews, Asians and Blacks, exactly how are they discriminated against? Your area of the world was much more populated with slaves than America ever was. Have you ever met a Jewish or Asian person? I doubt there's a bunch immigrating to your country. Not exactly a bastion of progress economically or socially.
Ive had the pleasure of knowing both jewish and asian persons, yes i have.
Theres a lot of inmigration to my country, maybe you should get your facts straight, and we welcome them with free education and healthcare not with a guy in a uniform with a shotgun watching the border.
You're government is modeled after America's and when we say jump, you ask how high. You don't matter and that bothers you. So you come here with bullshit revisionist history and touting "facts" that are utter garbage.
Our government isnt modeled on yours. In the last 10 years when you say jump we say fuck you. If in the past youd say jump and we said how high it must have been cause we had the fresh memories of the US backed dictatorships in our country and the thousands of dissapeared.
We kind of like our democracy and being able to choose our own presidents.
Everything you have within an arm's reach was made possible by America. From electricity to the internet you use to communicate your garbage. Welcome to the jungle little boy. America is the fucking king, and you're the flea on the termite's balls.
Wow, thanks!
America is the king, but id watch out for China, have you heard of them? They own half of america by now.
I like being a flea on a termite's ballsack, cause i dont have half the world trying to kill me.
Welcome to the jungle baby!
#12 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 714 weeks ago
jppgnr wrote:cause if UN violations are reason to go to war, id like to ask, in the name of my country Argentina, the US help to invade Great Britain or bomb the shit out of them so they give us back the Falklands(Islas Malvinas).
You're seriously comparing the Falklands crisis to the Iraq war? REALLY??
Reagan was right to look the other way while Thatcher took care of business, no offense. The UK was NOT in ANY violation of a UN resolution and was defending what it considers its own territory. The US was not obligated by treaty, defending a violation of international law,etc. to defend Argentina during the conflict. When we get down to brass tacks, Argentina is lucky the US took a slightly neutral stance as we easily could have sided with the UK and assisted them with our navy as the Falklands are far from the UK and it wasn't easy for them to retake it. A war that would have lasted a few days tops if closer wound up lasting several months. Had it turned into a quagmire, the US would have got involved and it was even possible for the UK to invoke Article 5 and it become a NATO operation instead of simply being a UK-Argentina conflict.
Obviously you're from Argentina and have a different viewpoint on the subject, but to compare that conflict to any other(especially ANY US conflict) is absurd.
edit: I just read an article about this conflict and it was Argentina in violation of UN Resolution 502.
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLU … penElement
Also, Libya was supplying Argentina with missiles during the conflict. In other words, they were within three shakes of a lamb's tail from getting bitch slapped by Reagan.
Wow, i dint compare the Falklands with Iraq, read again. Not even close to compare them. You said that Bush had every right to invade Iraq cause of UN violations and i cited other countries who were in UN violations and didnt receive the same treatment as Iraq.
And for Brittain to claim sovereignty over a couple of island 15000miles away from their territory is absurd, its colonialism. So yes, the US might have interveend in the matter but that doesnt make legal, moral or fair.
#13 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 714 weeks ago
This is priceless.
Who put Sadam in power? You're not suggesting the United States? What has Argentina done recently? What is the GDP of that nation? Can you give me a list of what freedoms Argentinians have? Isn't Argentina plagued with corruption?
Who put Saddam in power? Reagan and Kissinger. They have wiki pages, if you dont know who they are you should check them out.
You're not suggesting the United States? Im not suggesting, im saying it.
What has Argentina done recently? I can tell what we havent done recently, we didnt destroy the worlds economy and sunk millions in poverty.
What is the GDP of that nation? Dnt know, does it matter?
Can you give me a list of what freedoms Argentinians have? Theyre not called freedoms, theyre called rights, and we have the same rights as the people in the US. THE SAME, youre not special.
Isn't Argentina plagued with corruption? Isnt Wall Street plagued with corruption, what in Washington is considered legal, in our country is illegal, in here you cant buy senators for a campaign contribution.
Don't badmouth my country when you come from a Latin America wannabe USA state. Poor in my country is wealthy in yours. Thats because my country has the power and ability to protect itself and its allies. All I hear in your post is how envious you are of the United States.
Latin American wannabe US of A state? Give me a break, if i where to envy some country it would be Sweden, Norway, Japan, Germany, not the US.
Poor in your country is at most a low echelon of our middle class. Suck on that. This aint the third world. Go learn some geography, read a book, it'll be good for you.
The last part didnt get it, btw you cant protect yourselves and allies thats why 9/11 happened, thats why the bombings in the London subway happened and 11/3 in Spain happened. Not only you cant protect yourselves but also youve dragged your allies into this. Im not happy 9/11 happened, but man youve got to learn something out of it, you cant meddle in other countries sovereign affairs and expect people not to hate you. Justin Timberlake said it, what goes around comes around.
My country has its problems, I'll be the first to admit that. But I'll be damned it its compared to 3rd world gutter nations that don't give two shits about the rights of its citizens and suffer from grave human rights violations. In America, people scream about human rights when a Gay Cheerleader is kicked off a team. In other nations, homosexuals are murdered and swept under the rug. Political disidents disapear.
Yes your country has some problems, a lot. Nice of you to admit it. I didnt compared the US to any third world "gutter country" like you said. Last time i checked in america black people were still being discriminated and jewish and asian too. Gay people too. Gay kids comitting suicide cause of bullying, bullying is discrimination too. Arabs are frowned upon, people are afraid of getting into a plain with an arab person. Isnt that discrimination?
Here in Argentina, my gutter country as you say, we dont have any Fred Phelps.
My country could make yours vanish in under an hour, but won't. America isn't perfect, but it's still the most powerful nation in the world, no matter how much the sideline countries wish it wasn't so.
We the people in Argentina thank the US for allowing us to live. Im glad you dont make us vanish. 
America is far from perfect, it's still the most powerful nation in the world, yes. And? That gives you the right to fuck with everyones bussines?
You think the world envy's you and the truth is we dont. 
#14 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 714 weeks ago
How do you know what Iraq was like and what it's like now? Have you been there or are you just taking the word of others (no doubt from a site/source based on the idea of demonishing US action there).
I dont need a site to tell me how to feel about the US. I dont hate americans, its just that i dont buy the whole freedom bullshit that you spew. Who made you the world police? Fuck off and mind your own bussines, youve got enough problems home.
Btw it isnt hard to demonize the US, its quite easy actually, i could think of Chile and Pinochet, i Could think of Argentina Kissinger and the 30000 dissapeared, i could think of Brasil, and the list goes on. Musharraf, Idi Amin, Noriega. Its really long. Google that shit, its enlightening.
If there's a dictator in the world, its likely you're backing him up, or worst, you put him in power.
Man you wanna know why Iran hates the fuck out of america? When they where on the verge of democracy you went there and placed Shah Reza Pahlavi, a lunatic in command, thats why they hate you. They dont hate america cause you represent freedom, they hate you cause you took their freedom. They lost their freedom cause you didnt wanna pay the full price for oil.
About Iraq, remember who put Saddam there? Who helped him with guns and money? Who backed him up even thou he was murdering communists and kurds by the hundred of thousands? Who let him keep running the country even when he invaded Kuwait?
Im guessing that the bombing of Baghdad didnt make it a better place than it was before. So im pretty sure its worse now than when saddam was in charge.
The destruction of milleninal buildings, the looting of museums, all the culture lost. Dont even get me started on the bombing of schools and hospitals called collateral damage.
The civil war that started after the invasion with all the suicide bombings isnt helping either to make it a beautiful or saffer place.
#15 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 714 weeks ago
Yeah I agree, interesting story. I was told the old cars was because that was the last time Castro allowed the corporations (Ford, GM) products to be allowed in the country. So they just continued to keep them up, because they weren't allowed new cars.
Either way I do agree with the concept that free capitalism doesn't = freedom of living.
I grew up pretty poor, and my mother's parents were virtual poverty. To this day they live in a totally condemnable, dilapidated home in the middle of nowhere, and rarely have alot of contact with alot of modern day society.
They're practically heroes to me for it.
Its isnt so much Castro not allowing GM or Ford sell cars to cubans, its the other way around, the US embargo makes it illegal for american corporations to sell anything to Cuba.
Either way, even if they could get new cars, they wouldnt be able to afford them and the cuban government doesnt allow regular people to buy cars(cause of oil shortage and price), the cars are bought by the government and assigned to different people who apply to a car license with a specifical task, e.g to be used as taxi's.
To me free capitalism equals status quo in the sense that:
If you have money you're set for life, we live in a world where you can make money from money, you no longer need to produce/make something to make money. Its really hard to fuck it up with this one.
If youre born without money but arent poor, all you have is your labor force, youre gonna be someone else's employee. Maybe youll get an education and upgrade a bit your life, maybe.
If youre poor you're fucked. You're not able to afford an education, you're cheap labor, youll end up working at mcdonalds. (in the developed countries, if youre poor in a third world country then youre trully fucked)
The whole "if you work hard everything will be ok" thing it has become bullshit, maybe 50 years ago was true, but now... Your future doesnt depend on luck or hard work anymore, it depends on where were you born and in what economic conditions.
My Grandparents were poor too, but luckily they managed to get out of that situation while mantaining humility and simplicity in their way of being, that became an example to me.
I think im pretty level headed, but i wish i could be even more like them.
#16 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 714 weeks ago
Hey I didn't call it a shithole. I'm just going on every "fuck Castro" Cuban i've ever met in my life that act like it was Paradise on earth until Castro. And like I said, Iraqis were the ones that told me directly the place went to hell when Saddam took over.
Yeah i know you didnt, all good here, but that goes to show the objectivity of that people, they say that Cuba is a shithole cause they hate Castro.
I went there when i was 18 yrs as a birthday present and i tought it was fantastic, everything, from the old parts of the city and the old cars, just amazing. Something i've never seen, it was what in other countries is called poberty, but it they had dignity and happines man.
Not to mention the free education and health care.
I dont know about Iraq tough, ive never been there, dont know anyone from there so i cant really talk with facts, but what i believe its that with the US there it isnt getting any better.
Having a mcdonalds every other block doesnt make it a better or more beatiful place.
#17 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 714 weeks ago
jppgnr wrote:Axlin08 wrote:I forgot that Iraq was sunshine and daisies and pixie dust for 40 years before we were there.
My bad. It was Saddam Hussein that was Gandhi.
No, it wasnt sunshine and daisies and pixie dust, but it wasnt the shithole that currently is. They had a beautiful country, clean water, electricity and no civil war(given, cause saddam was squashing them), now they've got all of those things.
I never said Saddam was Gandhi, but maybe the US tought he was of some good when the CIA helped him get to power and backed him up for decades with money and guns even though you knew he was murdering communist arabs, and kurds(with your guns), or maybe cause they where communist they dont count?
So of all the countries in the fucking world its a shame that the US is the one that goes there under the pretext of freeing the iraqui people.
This aint personal, i've got nothing against you or americans, i dont hate you, but dont give me that crap that you where there to free Iraq.
Saddam hussein was a mass murderer, no arguing that, but just remember who put him there.
I don't disagree with any of that.
I just don't like the attitude of, not that you said this, but for hippies it's popular - "Iraq was a beautiful place before we were there". We turned it into a shithole.
It was always a shithole.
I've actually talked with Iraqis, and none of them said that the U.S. destroyed the country. They said Saddam destroyed the country. Similar to Cuba before Castro, they all stated before Saddam started draining the lakes and destroying the natural resources of the country how beautiful the place was.
If America was guilty of anything, it was Lord Reagan backing him to take on Iran back in the 80s.
Fine, we're on the same page.
The only thing that bothers me its the cuba/iraq being a shithole, i guess it depends on what you call a shithole.
I know for a fact that cuba isnt a shithole, its a beatiful place, and if its getting any worse its because US economical sanctions and embargo's.
#18 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 714 weeks ago
Oh and Bush "felt" he had cause for is actions? C'mon, you dont go to war cause you feel you have a cause, you go to fuckin war as a last resource and with a real cause
Whether people agree or disagree with the Iraq war, Bush had every right to go in there. They had been in violation of many UN resolutions since the 91 Gulf War ended. That doesn't mean he should have but he knew he could. When Bush talks about going down in history books as a better president than how he is currently thought of, he's referring to his foreign policy decisions.
Call me when the people dead by Obama's actions reach that number.
That's not how it works. Obama continues down the path of the Bush Doctrine and the daily death toll in the countries we are at war with doesn't make one the devil and the other a saint.
Bush didnt have every right to go to war with Iraq, cause if UN violations are reason to go to war, id like to ask, in the name of my country Argentina, the US help to invade Great Britain or bomb the shit out of them so they give us back the Falklands(Islas Malvinas).
Thats no reason, give me a break, cause if that were to be a good reason you should think of invading Israel, Marocco, Indonesia, Turkey...
Its either all or none. Why be selective?
And about the bit of the Bush Doctrine, i dont think its only a Bush thing, its more of a US Doctrine, cause you've been fucking with other countries sovereign affairs for almost a century now.
The only diference between Dem or Rep are domestic policies, outside the US, it doesnt really mather, they most likely end up fucking the poor of the world so that you can continue to live your cheap lives.
#19 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 714 weeks ago
I forgot that Iraq was sunshine and daisies and pixie dust for 40 years before we were there.
My bad. It was Saddam Hussein that was Gandhi.
No, it wasnt sunshine and daisies and pixie dust, but it wasnt the shithole that currently is. They had a beautiful country, clean water, electricity and no civil war(given, cause saddam was squashing them), now they've got all of those things.
I never said Saddam was Gandhi, but maybe the US tought he was of some good when the CIA helped him get to power and backed him up for decades with money and guns even though you knew he was murdering communist arabs, and kurds(with your guns), or maybe cause they where communist they dont count?
So of all the countries in the fucking world its a shame that the US is the one that goes there under the pretext of freeing the iraqui people.
This aint personal, i've got nothing against you or americans, i dont hate you, but dont give me that crap that you where there to free Iraq.
Saddam hussein was a mass murderer, no arguing that, but just remember who put him there.
#20 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 714 weeks ago
War for oil
Where's the oil?
My bad, i forgot you where there to free Iraq.
