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#11 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 18 weeks ago
There were some ADATs in Tom Zutaut's storage locker, if I'm not mistaken, although most of them probably not related to GN'R. Maybe a couple were, like the Sympathy For The Devil sessions (I think they were in ADATs).
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Brasky, I'm not participating or interested in any "credibility competition" with you. Not sure what your problem is. I have nothing to do with access to "insider information" or anything like that, and I have never played this game.
Re: the "CD2" image, I was referring to an even larger screenshot than the one with Fernando's credentials, in which the credentials of the person who forwarded Fernando's email and of the person who received the forwarded email are also visible. This larger screenshot was shared with me when I used to question the authenticity of the cropped image. The one with just Fernando's credentials in Jen's tweet was shared earlier in that same thread, so how could I be referring to that as "not shared in public"?
#12 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 19 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:slashsfro wrote:What I don’t get is why they don’t hire a social media person to hype/market this new stuff (songs) to casuals.
This is how you reach people today . It’s almost like they are stuck in the 20th century.
Not unbelievable that Axl still lives in a 90s bubble. Nobody to challenge him, nobody to teach him new things. Everybody just tip toeing while he continues to do the same things he did 30 years ago.
Nobody dares saying anything. I've heard first hand that nobody in the band even dares to tell him they don't want to do the marathon shows. It's Axl who calls the shots on everything and with TB enabling him for years now, nothing will change
I can see that being true, because Duff has implied it in public interviews a few times, saying how physically challenging and tiring has been for him to play the 3-hour shows. He's even made a point that the long shows can be damaging for Axl's voice. Of course he said all that in his familiar diplomatic way and choosing his words carefully so that what he said couldn't be taken as a direct dig at someone.
I can understand Dizzy or Fortus not daring tell Axl about it, but I don't understand why Duff or Slash wouldn't (although Slash probably doesn't mind the long shows anyway). What would Axl do, fire them?
#13 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 19 weeks ago
What I don’t get is why they don’t hire a social media person to hype/market this new stuff (songs) to casuals.
This is how you reach people today . It’s almost like they are stuck in the 20th century.
They do have both a publicist (they're working with a PR company called the Orel Company) and a separate social media team.
But if the emails found in the court documents for the Kat Benzova case are an indication or a glimpse of how this works, they have to run everything with Fernando first, so they can't do anything without his permission.
#14 Re: Guns N' Roses » Atlas » 19 weeks ago
They have becoming a touring band plain and simple , with zero indication that they plan on recording new music. I’ve come to this realization and it doesn’t bother me.
But for others it doesn’t help that Slash and Duff also drop (bullshit) hints that they plan to release new music soon.
On the production stuff, that’s on Axl. He keeps on using Caram as the producer for these songs.
Caram is not working with Axl anymore (he was fired in 2023), but these re-recorded songs were produced before that. And with the pace these are being released (since Axl doesn't seem willing to finally be over with the CD era that has lasted so ridiculously long), we'll keep getting Caram produced songs until 2030 or who knows when.
#15 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 19 weeks ago
Blackstar wrote:Bill Brasky wrote:Izzy wasn't credit on Velvet Revolver's Contraband and we know he contributed to it, Also that Scott Weiland is credited as writing all the vocals on Contraband.
I wrote Duff has the dat tapes you above wrote he maybe has them but then brought up how his management team got them back in 2019 so I'm confused on what you're saying ?
(Re: Izzy and VR, there apparently Weiland rewrote whatever lyrics Izzy had written on the songs they used from those sessions. From what they have said, they changed the shit out of those songs written with Izzy because Weiland didn't like them).
Couldn't Axl have done the same thing ?
In theory, yes, but the Nothing demo sounded like a song at its very early stages, like a song being "born" and not as something that was under rearrangement.
Anyway, all this talk is kind of "academic", since sp1at said he's sure Nothing is not Down By The Ocean.
#16 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 19 weeks ago
Blackstar wrote:Bill Brasky wrote:Izzy was writing with Duff.
Per Chinese Whispers
"In April, 1995, Duff calls me again: 'I'm trying to compose new songs for the guys in GN'R. Come and give me a hand.' It made five [years] that I'd left Guns but I said myself: 'Well shit, after all, why not?' Duff and I wrote ten songs in the space of week. We even recorded them as demos." (French Izzy interview, 2001)
Which means Duff has the dat tapes too.In 2000 Axl was talking to Izzy and not Duff whose now back in gnr.
We have no idea the level of completion of any of the Izzy and Duff songs.
Is anything i written above not factually correct ?It's correct, except maybe that Duff has the DAT tapes, because a few years ago a DAT from those 1995 Izzy/Duff sessions (containing two of the demos, Tooth Puller and Machine Gun) was found forgotten in a storage space alongside other Duff related stuff. There was a picture that circulated (I have it somewhere) and they guy from the storage space contacted Duff's management and Duff collected them.
My point was that when Izzy is involved he usually writes fully structured songs with lyrics, too.
Izzy wasn't credit on Velvet Revolver's Contraband and we know he contributed to it, Also that Scott Weiland is credited as writing all the vocals on Contraband.
I wrote Duff has the dat tapes you above wrote he maybe has them but then brought up how his management team got them back in 2019 so I'm confused on what you're saying ?
I'm saying that maybe Duff has that particular DAT with Down By The Ocean but we can't be sure of that, because he had apparently lost some of the other DATs from the same sessions that were found in that storage space, which may be an indication that he hadn't kept any of those tapes.
I'm also saying that regardless of whether Duff has that DAT or not, Down By The Ocean might not even be from those sessions.
But let's say that Duff has the dats. How would that be related to Nothing being Down By The Ocean?
(Re: Izzy and VR, there apparently Weiland rewrote whatever lyrics Izzy had written on the songs they used from those sessions. From what they have said, they changed the shit out of those songs written with Izzy because Weiland didn't like them).
#17 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 19 weeks ago
Izzy also said that he sent Axl a few songs in 1996. It's not completely clear, but probably that batch of songs was different/in addition to the Izzy/Duff sessions in 1995 (as Izzy didn't mention Duff there) and if so, Down By The Ocean could be from that second batch of Izzy songs:
#18 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 19 weeks ago
Blackstar wrote:Down By The Ocean was written by Izzy in 1995 (among other songs). But, according to Izzy, Axl contacted him some time in 2000 (or maybe early 2001) and asked him for the tapes. It's not clear if that means that Axl hadn't kept the songs at all or he was asking for the masters.
Regardless, since that song was written by Izzy, it's almost safe to assume that it would have been a full fledged song since 1995 or at least not a sketch in the form of Nothing that we heard in the locker leaks, unless Axl used just small elements of it (but that doesn't seem very likely).
Izzy was writing with Duff.
Per Chinese Whispers
"In April, 1995, Duff calls me again: 'I'm trying to compose new songs for the guys in GN'R. Come and give me a hand.' It made five [years] that I'd left Guns but I said myself: 'Well shit, after all, why not?' Duff and I wrote ten songs in the space of week. We even recorded them as demos." (French Izzy interview, 2001)
Which means Duff has the dat tapes too.In 2000 Axl was talking to Izzy and not Duff whose now back in gnr.
We have no idea the level of completion of any of the Izzy and Duff songs.
Is anything i written above not factually correct ?
It's correct, except maybe that Duff has the DAT tapes, because a few years ago a DAT from those 1995 Izzy/Duff sessions (containing two of the demos, Tooth Puller and Machine Gun) was found forgotten in a storage space alongside other Duff related stuff. There was a picture that circulated (I have it somewhere) and they guy from the storage space contacted Duff's management and Duff collected them.
My point was that when Izzy is involved he usually writes fully structured songs with lyrics, too.
#19 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 19 weeks ago
Down By The Ocean was written by Izzy in 1995 (among other songs). But, according to Izzy, Axl contacted him some time in 2000 (or maybe early 2001) and asked him for the tapes. It's not clear if that means that Axl hadn't kept the songs at all or he was asking for the masters.
Regardless, since that song was written by Izzy, it's almost safe to assume that it would have been a full fledged song since 1995 or at least not a sketch in the form of Nothing that we heard in the locker leaks, unless Axl used just small elements of it (but that doesn't seem very likely).
#20 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 19 weeks ago
Shacklermyrye wrote:Yeah I like Nothing too, probably the best of the post CD songs to be fair
'On a restless sea' = Down by the ocean/Down by the sea? probably not but who knows. I remember Axl saying Fink played an SRV style solo on one song, I would imagine that was Nothing.
I had this thought too. A theory could be Down By The Ocean could have been a working title based on the island-sounding guitar lick. Seems like something Izzy could come up with. The big thing that goes against it is the demo had no mention of bodies of water in the lyrics. What are the writing credits?
No writing credits yet. Officially they're credited as written collectively by "Guns N' Roses" but we'll get an idea when the publishing shares appear on SESAC, GMR and maybe ASCAP (depends on who has got a credit).
The credits that are on Spotify and on YouTube that list names of band members and Brain, Robin etc. are not songwriting credits, but about who plays on the song and who produced/mixed it.
