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#11 Guns N' Roses » IZZY STRADLIN DRUMMER CHARLIE QUINTANA DEAD AT 56 » 379 weeks ago

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One of the more respected drummers in music, Charlie "Chalo" Quintana, died in Mexico this week (Mar. 13) at the age of 56. Born in El Paso, Texas, he played in the Los Angeles-based punk The Plugz in the late-70s through the mid-80s, did the first Izzy Stradlin solo album in 1992 and joined SoCal legends Social Distortion for a decade-long stint behind the kit.
Quintana was in demand due to a reputation for his reliability, backing such diverse artists as Bob Dylan, Cracker, Agent Orange and John Doe - just to name a few - at different times throughout his career. His passing was revealed via a post on his Facebook page which said he had moved to Mexico in recent years to take care of stray dogs.


http://loudwire.com/charlie-quintana-death/

#12 Re: Guns N' Roses » Prostitute and Chinese Democracy 10 Years Later » 380 weeks ago

Wagszilla wrote:

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Axl Rose, Prostitute wrote:

Seems like forever and a day
If my intentions are misunderstood
Please be kind
I've done all I should
I won't ask of you
What I would not do

The opening lines to the closing track of the Chinese Democracy record perfectly encapsulate why I'm drawn to Axl's art and why I still listen to Chinese Democracy to this day, almost 10 years after it's release. The work is a densely layered panoply from the artwork to the music to the lyrics to the politics.

The introductory lyrics to "Prostitute" read like a confessional, an inner monologue a weary artist is having before courageously spilling his guts to the world, blurring the line between music and theatre in the process. It's these peculiarities which make Axl a class above the competition. It doesn't matter much to me if other artists throw out an album every other year consisting of a standard four chord progression and the sky is blue lyricism, Axl thinks so deeply about his work, his deep thoughts have deep thoughts. His bass tracks have bass tracks. His drum track has a drum track. The scat vocals, sha-na-na's, and overdubs that frequent his songs certainly have their better and worse moments but you can feel the deeper grooves and intonations in Axl's voice depending on his emotional state, frame of mind, perspective, and this shows up in big ways on the entirety of Chinese Democracy.

The album is an encyclopedia into itself: the evolution of songs and production styles, album making politics, deep and abstract lyricism of the songs, the artist's personal triumphs and failures. Chinese Democracy is a veritable musical bible, full of contradictions, differing genres, glaring flaws, and batshit insane statements.

It's fucking beautiful and it's never been topped.

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Slash wrote:

It's a grand statement

Youth wrote:

It was a beautiful, noble statement... even if people don't get it.

In regards to Prostitute and much of the greater album, there are many different possible interpretations, but none seem more reasonable than an aging artist sorting through the past, both on a personal level and on a state of the world level. Axl Rose had been many things: rockstar, prima donna, diva, pain in the ass, and (arguably) racist, homophobic, misogynist, but at many turns of his early career, one also got a palpable sense of decency and of a human being trying to do the right thing in a complex world.

There would be many that would see this as a charitable association but during the latter half of Rose's career, one wonders if Axl didn't throw off the shackles of fame and come down to Earth and join the rest of us. After all, privately, he's known as a decent, kind, funny, and charitable man to those in or around his circle and one that eschews attention for the sake of it.

Which brings us back to Prostitute, the closer on the narratively puzzling Chinese Democracy album. Axl seems to be talking to someone and again, we ask, whom is Rose addressing? We can turn to the alternative artwork and wonder if the red haired prostitute is a reflection of Rose, an aging pawn in a much larger game. Is it to a former lover, a former bandmate? To none of the above? Is Rose talking about the music industry gatekeepers or about the various commercial forces that attempt to control him and everyday individuals? Is he finding peace in his role in the world? Is he rejecting the idea of ghostwriters and committing himself to success or failure on his own merits? Is he forewarning the public of the illusory systems that influence their thought on a daily basis from the media and oil barons to businessmen and politicians? The answer is likely, "Yes". And "No". And "It doesn't matter". Or does it? Maybe it matters more than we even know. Different lines written to and about different people, different fractals in time, a cracked mirror reflecting a thousand fleeting moments for us to misinterpret and discuss. A fractured concept album with overlapping bands and concepts.

It seems that Rose is talking about much deeper things than his own pain, although it is entirely possible that he is. But Axl has always had no problem voicing his opinion when he sees something he doesn't like: people being taking advantage of, the abuse of the powerless, and business interests spreading lies for their own benefit. He also made no qualms about telling people to get their act together or else they'd be working at McDonald's their whole lives and spoke up about people being lied to by the media decades before #FakeNews came into the American consciousness. He is, perhaps then, an artist leaving breadcrumbs, hoping his fans have the courage find the keys to the cell door, and spring them themselves loose.

If Rose harbored deeper intentions, he might've done well to light a stick of dynamite and throw it into the hallway, instead of the cloak and dagger routine. Then again, that could've entirely been the point. A high art subversive record disguised as a hyper-creative multicultural Chinese buffet. Or what made it to the table was the public safe Orange Chicken and Crab Rangoon and the spicy stuff was kept in the high cupboard behind red tape for later days, later days which'd never come.

Chuck Klosterman wrote:

I find myself impressed by how close Chinese Democracy comes to fulfilling the absurdly impossible expectation it self-generated.

These abstract interpretations aside, Prostitute is one of the finest Guns N' Roses songs ever produced. It simultaneously manages to "sound like Guns N' Roses" yet dramatically push that sound forward with sweeping piano, ambient soundscapes, and string orchestration combined with classical razor riffs and double drum kicks. It is absolutely stunning. The promise of unreleased 'Big Guns' to hardcore fans proved to be a yarn spun by management yet "Prostitute" graciously fits the bill as a big gun and perhaps the biggest one of all. It's one of Axl's finest hours. The band is firing on all cylinders here and my personal favorite moment outside of Buckethead's searing guitar solo is Brain's impeccable drumming. Speaking of finest hours... hats off to you, Mr. Mantia.

The holy trinity of the Chinese Democracy album are "Prostitute", "Better", and "There Was A Time" all of which are relatively flawless. But the raucous "Riad And The Bedouins" and "Shackler's Revenge" are wholly competent B-sides that show off a talented band about to take it to another level. If only they had the opportunity.

This isn't to say others works are inferior but they feel belabored or middling, even my personal favorite "Madagascar". The brilliance of "Prostitute", isn't just in diversity but in the fact that it says in musical arrangement what other songs say in lyrics. It goes in a thousand different directions, it's the sound of adversity - of falling down and getting up and coming back stronger than ever. There is an increasing amount of tripe written about artists reinventing themselves but "Prostitute" is a the true to life sound of resurgence and personal redemption. It's powerful, it's tender, it's deeply layered, it's oozing humanity, it's just so damn cool. And it's a masterpiece.

Thanks, Axl.

Tommy Stinson wrote:

I still think it's a great record.

I think it will go down as being a great record down the line.

Compare it lyrically to past GN'R records, where his head was at and what he was trying to get out with the record, and I think there's some significantly deep, thought-out stuff. Down the road people will see that.

"Prostitute" is an excellent song, above average.
Unfortunately Axl is not able to defend it live, and I do not think he has an interest in promoting it.
No live performance of this song had good vocal performance consistent with the CD version. He can not sing it. That simple.

#13 Re: Guns N' Roses » Is the ChiDem remix album dead? » 380 weeks ago

with respect to creativity and production ... GNR is dead, and there are times.

#14 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Oh My God" on End of Days (Clean version) CD - different? » 380 weeks ago

a difficult thing to understand ...
why an artist releases a song, and does not work to promote it, does not dedicate himself to what he created?
Is it because you do not believe enough in what you did?

I really like "OMG", but from what I understand, not even its creator does not appreciate it so much.

#15 Re: Guns N' Roses » 5 Things You Didn't Know About 2002 MTV Video Music Awards » 381 weeks ago

to me, it's still one of their favorite performances.

#17 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences between bands ... lack of professionalism and other issues » 385 weeks ago

Not all artists want "reunions" that sum up to acts of nostalgia ...

"You once said you've avoided a Talking Heads reunion because it would overshadow the other things you've done. Is it really that simple?
There's a lot to that. I see what happens with other people when they do their reunions – and then it turns into a second reunion and a third reunion. With someone like the Pixies, it's different – they're getting the audience now that they deserved ages ago. But with a lot of them, it just seems like you don't have anything new to say, and you go, "OK, this is just some kind of nostalgia exercise." And I'm not interested in that."



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#18 Re: Guns N' Roses » Differences between bands ... lack of professionalism and other issues » 385 weeks ago

zombux wrote:

I more or less agree with monkeychow. rather more than less smile it is what it is, I guess.

:>)

#19 Re: Guns N' Roses » Appetite for Democracy » 385 weeks ago

zombux wrote:

this release is not amongst my favourites, but it's not a tragedy either. the beginning of the show is actually quite strong, just later it gets meh. no need to bash Ashba, he was doing his best during his stint. and remember he was probably the only guy in GNR, who never got to record and release anything with the band, at least amongst those who lasted more than a month or so. even Mr. Gilby Clarke got his chance to carve something in stone at The Spaghetti Incident. remember that Axl RIR3 quote? it's always hard to ask a musician to play stuff created by other musicians. and in Ashba's case, it was extremely similar situation to earlier years, when Robin Finck was forced to play Slash's stuff, and that really couldn't click in. and later he got to play his own creations and was absolutely shining. so don't bash Ashba, better go check the first Beautiful Creatures album or the first Sixx:A.M. album - both of those have Ashba prominently on lead guitar and that's where he is at his best.

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#20 Re: Guns N' Roses » Appetite for Democracy » 385 weeks ago

TheSundanceKid wrote:

This was a fucking garbage concert.

A garbage era of the band.

And shit at its finest.

This is had to be the lowest point ever.

DJ Ashba was the worst guitarist in the band. A poser and a fucking douche.

When he joined the band I checked out. And rightfully so.

So fuck this concert, and tacky as fuck DVD name and tour.

Fuck the Ashba era.

It's like that terrible Seymour Skinner episode where he is an impostor. That the fans hated. This describes what that era felt like. Dear God.

Hello.
allow me respectfully disagree with you on some points ...

I do not agree that the shows on that stage were "junk". there were several very interesting performances in that moment of the band, and speaking in a realistic way ... is there so many changes from this phase to the present? I do not believe that. It's the same show. what has changed is the presence of Duff's and his unquestionable charisma ... Slash does not present major executions ...

Ashba, the worst? Musicians, like people in general, are "different" from each other, neither worse nor better. I consider him to be a great guitar player, with a great stage presence, and in my opinion he fit well with the GNR proposal, much more than Finck, for example.

This DVD is awesome. who does not have the original could evaluate to acquire, especially in the package with cd.

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