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#1761 Re: The Garden » Old WWF question... » 859 weeks ago

The story behind that for Vince, was at the time, it was alot like the scenario of the Hogan/Austin dream ticket of today. Hogan & Flair's egos were so gigantic, that NEITHER of them were willing to job to the other

This doesn't bother me as much since we got a great Savage-Flair feud over Elizabeth, culminating in their Wrestlemania 8 match.

I think there's alot of people that'd love to see Austin in at least one more match (he said not long ago, he's physically is in enough shape to wrestle for up to two years) full time, if he had to). But I think where the catch is... no one wants to see Austin get back in the ring against the aging Hogan. Plus Austin's been out of it for so long... will he be the Axl Rose of wrestling? The comeback is a major disappointment, because it's not like the hey day, the prime.

Can he really be compared to Axl though?  Austin was the guy in the WWE from 1997-2002.  After that he was around for a year with some on air role.  Axl was basically MIA from 1994-2001.  Personally, I'm not sure I want to see Austin wrestle, didn't he have major surgeries on both knees and his neck too?  He changed his wrestling style too from a technical aspect to favoring a brawling style.

I think the Nwo in WWE angle was pretty much doomed to failure.  Hogan always has some sort of issue with McMahon.  Hall has substance abuse issues.  Nash can't stay healthy enough to be reliable.  The only interesting thing that came out of that was the Hogan face turn in his match with the Rock at Wrestlemanina.

The issue with nWo over staying it's welcome, was something Vince showed he was much more keen with business, with DX.

See this is what frustrates me about McMahon, he makes great business decisions.  However, when it comes to the actual storylines and stuff sometimes he fails and FAILS miserably.  There was the entire Katie Vick angle.  The angle last year where he blew himself up in the limo is another one.  The entire booking of John Cena where he is seen as a current day Hogan is laughable considering half the fan base HATES him.  Although, I'm wondering how much of this I should be blaming on Stephanie Mcmahon-Helmsley since she's been head booker since 2002 I think.  IMO they should give those powers to Shane McMahon he seems to have a better grasp on what the audience actually wants.

#1762 Re: The Garden » Old WWF question... » 859 weeks ago

Since we're discussing post 1993 WWF, here's a couple of things I think were important towards WCW's dominance of WWF(1995-early 1998).  WCW basically hit a home run with the nwo angle(at least in 1996 before it became lame later).  When Scott Hall and Kevin Nash first appeared on WCW in spring 1996, it was implied that WWF was invading WCW. (note: it was eventually clarified that neither man was working for WWF at that time)  The booking was absolutely brilliant as this kinda became a mystery as to who would be the third guy as everyone was being mentioned--Bret Hart, Sting etc.   No one suspected it would be Hogan as he was a babyface for the majority of his career.  That was a giant SWERVE that was perfectly booked since Hogan was getting stale at the time.  FYI, Bobby Heenan almost blew the surprise with his commentary after Hogan starts running out.

Isn't WWF attitude greatly infleunced by classic ECW?  So in that regard some credit must be given to Paul Heyman's wrestling organization.  I mean the classic Hart-Austin WM XIII I Quit Match has ECW written all over it.  Plus the Austin's fuck it all attitude originated in 1995 with an ECW promo where he wears a bandana and starts shooting on a whole bunch of people--Bischoff and Hogan included.  Remember the hardcore title, and the increase of blood on WWE tv, those were all ECW style things in which they incorporated into their product.

While WCW made a lot of boneheaded personnel moves as outlined by AxlinO8, you can't omit the stupidity of their booking decisions.  David Arquette as WCW champion, Dennis Rodman wrestling (and clearly in it for the money), and that bad Megadeth/Curt Hennig angle are some examples.  On top of that giving Kevin Nash the booking responsibilities in the late 90s led to their decline as well.  Fingerpoke of doom anyone remember that bad angle--hyped main event only to end in a disappointing swerve.  The misuse of Bret Hart also counts as a strike against WCW creative.

I think Vince kinda got lucky when the "Mr. McMahon" character took off.  Lucky in the sense that most of the fans still sided with Bret Hart in the Montreal screwjob dispute.  It gave Vince instant heat with the fans and he just played off being an arrogant jerk which he probably is in real life.

#1763 Re: The Garden » Old WWF question... » 859 weeks ago

I think Warrior was just difficult to deal with and a general pain in the ass.  He returned at WM 8 and was scheduled to be in the main event at Survivor Series in the tag team match with Flair and Razor Ramon vs Randy Savage and himself.  He left like a month before the event.  Mcmahon was indicted in summer of 1993.  The changing of the guard really shouldn't be that suprising.  Hogan, Savage and Flair were all old, even though they left on separate issues.  Hogan-ego issues with WM.  Flair, I think he was unhappy and wanted to go back to WCW.  Savage--I'm not sure why he left.  I do think the fact that WCW had emerged as a player in this does account for some of the changes.  They signed Rick Rude and Jake the Snake in 1992 I think.  As far as Mr. Perfect goes, he was battling a persistent back problem that limited his in ring involvement.  I think  he had a high insurance premium which would have benefited him if he didn't wrestle.  The 1992-1993 upheaval hit its nadir when they had Hogan run in and win the WWF title in a ludicrous fashion at WM IX.  That was a horrible PPV as well.  Luckily Hogan left later that year.  The significant point of the change of 1992-1993 was the rise of the smaller wrestler.  Hart (Owen and Bret), Michaels and Razor (to the some extent) weren't the big well sculped guys favored by Vinnie Mac.  They had great work rates (Razor wasn't a full on drunk at this point, that would come later) and could go.  Didn't Sean Waltman aka 123 kid breakout as a star at this point too?  Unfortunately, Vince's big man fetish didn't totally go away--Giant Gonzales anyone?  If were looking at Spring 1993, does the fact that Monday Night Raw debuted during this time factor in here at all?  Anyway this is an interesting discussion that I hope continues.  I first started watching WWF during this period.  So this is a trip down memory lane for me too.

#1764 Re: The Garden » 2008 NFL season » 859 weeks ago

You win in the postseason by running the ball and stopping the run.  The Colts in their Superbowl winning year did exactly that.  They rushed 22 times for 64yds and allowed 167yds on 34 carries in the SD loss.  I always  thought that the Colts wining streak was a function of playing bad teams.  The divisonal round should be more smash mouth fun with TEN, CAR, PIT, NYG playing games next week.  If you like smash mouth football root for a BAL win because it will set up a bloodbath rivalry game with TEN.

#1765 Re: Guns N' Roses » Where Do We Go Now? » 859 weeks ago

Yup.  He had all this time to take care of this stuff and didn't do it.  It doesn't make much sense financially to rerelease CD with only alternate covers.  I'm not sure how many diehards will buy that.  I will only buy a rereleased CD if there is new material--new tracks or old demos of CD songs.

#1766 Re: Guns N' Roses » LARS ULRICH Holding Up Release of GNR 'Better' Video? » 859 weeks ago

For those who are wondering, a DVDSCR has already leaked onto the internet.

#1767 Re: Guns N' Roses » Whats the opinion people in your life have on CD? » 859 weeks ago

I think NR is slightly overrated.  If you've ever heard the demo, the last two minutes of the song kind of wander. Luckily, the slash solos help pull it together and turn it from ok song to good song.  I get what war is saying as some of the synthesizer stuff can get kind of annoying whereas with TIL you can actually feel the raw emotions from Axl's vocals.

#1768 Re: Guns N' Roses » Whats the opinion people in your life have on CD? » 859 weeks ago

I disagree with SOD resembling NR.  If I were to guess, I'd say the one song faldors female friend hated would be either Scraped or This I Love.  Although If the World could be another choice.  I too am interested in what his friend's review.

#1769 Re: Guns N' Roses » LARS ULRICH Holding Up Release of GNR 'Better' Video? » 860 weeks ago

Just out of curiosity, do you ever see Axl reuniting with original Gnr for purely monetary reasons?  Let's say at some point in the future he runs low on cash.  Now albums don't make money anymore.  So he's left with the tour option.  Nu Guns is not profitable as a touring act in the US.  Would he just reunite for a cash grab money tour?  Or would that go against his principles.  I think he might be faced with this decision a lot sooner than some of you might think.

#1770 Re: Guns N' Roses » LARS ULRICH Holding Up Release of GNR 'Better' Video? » 860 weeks ago

I think people are complaining about album sales because of the amount and spent making the album.  It's simple business really.  Unfortunately, the "this album cost 13 million dollar to make" thing will always hamstring this album to some extent.

It's not my fault you set the standard at the wrong level for this album release.

This is actually a pretty interesting question.  What should the standard have been?  I remember reading a RS article in 2000 where CD is being compared to Physical Graffiti. 

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=2939  (link to RS article).

I never had those expectations though, to me all I wanted was a simple album made by one of my favorite bands while growing up.  Full disclosure:  I lost interest in the project probably in 2004-2006.  I found the leaks (the 2006 ones) in 2007 and was interested in the band again.  Most of the fans of this band aren't rooting for Axl to fail.  I feel a lot of sympathy for Axl and what he has been through.  However, some of these have been self-inflicted though and as a fan you really can't ignore some of the stuff. 
My disappointments are twofold:  I don't particularly care for the amount of overproduction on the final product.  I prefer the basic structures of the songs on the demos.  The clusterfuck style in which the band is run and how information is released would be the other reason.  I think you and I are in agreement here.  The official website is a joke. (FWIW, I never understood why Gnr didn't give fans the opportunity to order CD online from the website.)  Flimsy excuses are given as to why things happen or don't happen.  Anybody remember Axl cancelling a tour in 2001 because he only just read about it over the internet.  I think the lack of professionalism is what irks people the most.  For example, if you release an album shouldn't you expect a video to go with that?  I don't think its holding to band to a superhigh standard to expect these basic things.

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