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#161 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Slash solo album with Myles Kennedy and the Conspirators incoming » 377 weeks ago
I think that happens with a lot of bands some of it is because once your famous you kinda start living in a little bubble not the real world society anymore.
Like in terms of song motivation.
Think about Axl's life in 1985 or whenever they were writing AFD, vs the kind of day to day like he was living by 1997.
85 they're on the street hustle trying to make it big, but 97 it's gated security and private living. Would have to make a difference.
It makes a huge difference. Some of the best stuff on the Illusion albums came from the Appetite days too.
That's the Catch-22 with GN'R. Their incredible success with that first album was well-deserved. The music was phenomenal stuff and the sales numbers backed it up. But you also tend to think that band could have easily been a cult classic type of band that had to work their way up to star level over a much longer period. Instead they hit the big time so quick that they lost the real world experiences that created those songs.
#162 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Slash solo album with Myles Kennedy and the Conspirators incoming » 379 weeks ago
tejastech08 wrote:Honestly don't give a shit at this point, lol. Just give us some Axl studio vocals again. I don't care if it's with Angus or Slash or Sebastian or whoever.
Hmmmm, wouldn’t you prefer it be with his actual band with Slash’s legendary guitar playing? Angus and Axl can fvck off. I used to love Angus but this whole thing has really pissed me off. How they force Brian out. There are no original guys left. Angus is far from his prime (unlike Slash). Axl sounds amazing with AC/DC probably cause he tries harder than with GNR. JUST ALL THE WAY AROUND IT PISSES ME OFF. Axl valuing AC/DC over GNR just makes me mad.
I don't give a shit. Other than the rock legends who died before age 35, Axl is the biggest waste of talent in the history of rock and roll. I just want to hear his voice in the studio before it's gone. Don't care who he does it with.
#163 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Slash solo album with Myles Kennedy and the Conspirators incoming » 379 weeks ago
Honestly don't give a shit at this point, lol. Just give us some Axl studio vocals again. I don't care if it's with Angus or Slash or Sebastian or whoever.
#164 Re: Guns N' Roses » Never before seen GNR show from 10/23/87 VIDEO INSIDE » 400 weeks ago
Thanks for posting. I remember about a year ago (maybe more), there was a guy who posted about 10 minutes of this and everyone was begging him to release the whole thing. Guess he finally got what he wanted in the trading game, or maybe he gave up and decided to share with everyone. Either way I'm glad it's out there for everyone to watch the full thing.
#165 Re: Guns N' Roses » The Creative Crisis of Guns N' Roses » 407 weeks ago
Axl's swan song will be Ac/Dc's retirement album next year I recon.
If that is the case, I hope he knocks it out of the park.
#166 Re: The Sunset Strip » Chester Bennington Commits Suicide » 407 weeks ago
Was messing around with my iTunes library for the first time in many months. Stumbled on the first two Linkin Park albums. Bennington was a hell of a talent. I hope they are not going to try to replace him. Some people cannot be replaced and I think that is true with Chester and this band.
RIP to Chester and I pray for peace for his family/friends.
#167 Re: The Sunset Strip » Headbangers Ball, Hair Metal & Grunge » 407 weeks ago
Yes Alive is played out. Appetite still sounds fresh to me. I also thought Bush's debut album was awesome but now it seems ordinary.
I still think Bush's debut album is great. But I was only around 10 during that time and I have very fond memories of all those 90's alt rock bands. I look at the state of rock music today and pop music...it's a pretty sad situation. But what the hell, I never get tired of visiting old favorites like GN'R, Zeppelin, Floyd, Beatles, Stones, and yes the 90's stuff I grew up with as well...
...heck, I am very grateful to my parents for listening to the oldies station a lot. Back then they still legitimately played oldies from the 50's and early 60's. Buddy Holly, Roy Orbison, Elvis, Sinatra, and Chuck Berry are some of my favorites. Now they consider anything earlier than 1990 to be oldies, lmao.
Appetite is probably the best hard rock album ever and one of the very best rock albums period. It's going to continue standing the test of time. Been listening a lot to Fleetwood Mac's Rumours lately. I'm with James. That one definitely belongs in the same category with Appetite. Fucking killer album. "The Chain" might be the best song in rock history.
#168 Re: Guns N' Roses » Breaking Down The Loot » 407 weeks ago
Classic meme. Saved both. I love shit like that.
People said downloading killed the industry.
Actually streaming did.
Nobody even bothers with downloading anymore. If it aint on Rhapsody, youtube, etc. it doesn't even exist.
I see why they're not bothering (those statistics are crazy)but I really wish they'd release one more album before albums are completely irrelevant.
I bet the head honchos at record labels look back on the era of 'free downloads' with fondness.
Haha, no shit. I feel like I've been ahead of the curve in the digital music era. With Napster, the hot underground band was Linkin Park with Hybrid Theory. Fucking thing was "trending" like crazy on Napster months and months before the songs became a huge hit. Still remember the surreal feeling when songs like "Crawling" and "In The End" became massive hits on the radio. Imagine this was a similar feeling for all the people who heard and enjoyed Appetite over a year before the public really started paying attention.
Anyway, I was using Rhapsody in college around 2003 or so. Paid $8 per month and had some recording software to record the streams to mp3 format so I could keep the songs. But even without that recording software, I still felt the streaming service was a very good deal at $8 per month or something for full access to millions of songs. At the time, Steve Jobs and others insisted that everyone wanted to own music instead of renting it. Felt like that was major bullshit. Took awhile, but eventually everyone embraced the streaming model.
Swear to God though. YouTube is the greatest thing ever for people like me who weren't there to experience GN'R back in the day. I still remember we had some high school kids visit us in our college dorm around 2004 or 2005, very shortly after YouTube was created. These kids were there on a recruiting trip of sorts and we just had to show them around campus, etc. One of them showed YouTube to me and explained it to me. At the time most of the public had no fucking clue what it was. Eventually people started posting old GN'R material on there. When I stumbled on the live Ritz footage, that shit was like a religious experience in my dorm room. It's so awesome to be able to see all the old performances by bands you missed out on due to birth year and so forth.
#169 Re: The Garden » Chris Cornell dead » 407 weeks ago
Whats really stranger to me now than ever, is the whole Kurt Cobain thing, and Nirvana's overnight success? It's just not adding up to me, less so than before, and let me note I'm a huge Nirvana fan. One thing I always felt in hindsight, is that while "Nirvana" came out of nowhere, alternative music had been pushing thru for a while, REM, Depeche Mode, The Cure, Chili Peppers. But also, on a heavier side even since Guns rock was looking to go more stripped down. The Black Crowes, Tesla etc, gone were the hair days and Aqua Net. Then in 90/91 Faith No More & another band I really can't think of right now The something, had a hit. Their music was grungy but they seemed a bit older, band members sorta looked like Kim Thayil, they were legit band, I think Cobain once even said he hoped he'd just have a minor hit like they did. There's also a soundtrack from 'Pump Up The Volume' which has Soundgaren, Concrete Blonde, The Pixies & more on it.
Anyway, then Jane's Addiction had a breakout hit of 'Been Caught Stealing'. IMHO that's where things started to change and build momentum. RHCP were more well known, and coming out with an album that summer. Metallica, no longer really 'underground' were also coming out with a monster album that summer. And Soundgarden had been building momentum for a long time, opening forr Guns & Metallica at different times I think, they appeared often in rock & guitar magazines early on. My brother had Ultramega & TOTD pretty early on by seeing their name in the mags. AIC was also a seemingly known up & comer. So, the entire year the labels are signing their bands & prepping for the releases, not to be outdone, and it's almost as if Geffen just hustled out their to keep up, and just signed this undrafted free agent out of a small school, because they needed a backup Quarterback or point guard, but didn't really expect much from him. So the fall hits, RHCP hit it with Suck My Kiss but also have Under the Bridge in their back pocket, Metallica come out swinging with Enter Sandman, and IIRC Soundgarden put Outshined out first, which itself did surprisingly well and put SG front & center.
Then slowly Teen Spirit begins it's climb. Why? I'm not sure anyone who lived thru it can tell you, other than it was the right song, at the right time, for the right people. It just spoke "New" and anti "Everything That Happened Before" (before being music in the 80s). The lyrics did have some form of empathy to alot of alienated and bored youth ('Here we are now, entertain us' 'I feel stupid, and contageous') Words that were never spoken in that way before, so raw & vulnerable. Then it just snowballed, New Years hit, they played SNL, and it was over. Somehow, remarkably, he & that album left the others in the dust in a way. It's a great album, for what it is, but it seems a bit corny looking back a generation held it and Kurt so highly. In some ways, I almost feel bad and a bit to blame. I wonder if something which bothered him was he knew he wasn't the most talented one, or the leader of the Grunge/Alternative movement, and couldn't live with that, as if it were some lie he was living.
I still don't understand how Nirvana exploded. I mean I do understand how the media pushed them down our throats relentessly forcing everyone to like it until it caught on but I but I don't understand how everyone truly gravitated to it. As you pointed out, there was so much going on musically in 90-92. You could feel something coming before it came. The whole culture was shifting as the 80s wound down.
Teen Spirit....while catchy....wasn't truly worthy of its gen x anthem status. It just wasn't. Hell I'd say lyrically speaking Come As You Are would be the song from that album that could 'speak' to our generation.
By In Utero it was obvious the crash and burn was coming soon. His death the only thing that prevented that. It made him immortal and cemented a romanticizing of his music.
In the media's defense, they had to pick a horse and ride it.
AIC- We Die Young
Soundgarden- Outshined
Nirvana- Teen SpiritThose first two songs are just a tad too heavy to push as a universal anthem for an entire generation to rally around. It also boiled down to timing. Not only had hair metal become a complete joke, MTV/radio was at a fork in the road. Grunge almost doesn't happen. The mainstreaming of speed metal was on the verge of blowing up. MTV and radio was pushing them hard and the main bands Slayer, megadeth, and Anthrax had just released their best albums within a couple months of each other that had songs that weren't noise pollution to average music lovers and even bands like Death Angel and Sepultura were getting exposure. In later years people joke about those bands shows being sausage factory conventions.....in 90-91 you were neck deep in pussy at these shows.
It was connecting with a large audience.
Then the biggest band from that genre releases an album that is about to be supermassive......Metallica. This should've taken that whole genre to new heights. It didn't. Just when MTV could've gave the genre an even bigger push, they change horses....here comes Man in the Box, Outshined, Teen Spirit, Alive, etc. They run with it.
Speed metal gets erased from their rotation and it never recovers or comes close to the mainstream acceptance it was getting in 90-91.
In May 91, AIC is opening for Anthrax, Slayer, and Megadeth. Had you told those three bands that in less than a year AIC would eclipse all three of them, they'd have died laughing.
Can never underrate the fact that they were all from one city playing a huge role in pushing grunge. It made it even easier to promote the whole Seattle thing.
A byproduct of grunge was it showed the media how easy it is to fabricate a movement. We saw this with hip hop a few years later. How they convinced a million white boys in the suburbs it would be cool to listen to songs talking about niggers, bitches, and Compton while wearing their pants down to their ankles and a bunch of girls finding this attractive will never cease to amaze me.
There are a lot of things in pop culture that don't make sense. GN'R success is one of them as well, which is pretty fucking funny considering they became the supposed "corporate band" that Kurt was standing up against...even though he signed to the same corporate label. Hypocritical son of a bitch, haha.
Anyway, you look at GN'R recording Appetite in 1987 and there is no way in hell anyone could predict what would follow. The dirty nature of the band and the gritty style of the music compared to everything else in mainstream rock at the time would make one expect them to be a cult band and nothing else. I am still amazed GN'R became so monstrously popular looking at stuff like Def Leppard and Bon Jovi ruling the charts around that time. But for whatever reason the whole world jumped on the GN'R bandwagon.
#170 Re: Guns N' Roses » Facebook Announcement » 422 weeks ago
James, I am glad they announced these shows if for no other reason than fans like yourself get to see them. Life is full of second chances and it's good they are coming to your area pretty soon.