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#151 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Bring Back Robin Finck "Tank" » 652 weeks ago

How can you compare a fifty year old rocker with a manufactured group of young hot women, whose songs and images are a result of maketing professionals geared to the pop market, like boy bands. That is a terrible comparison.

I never compared Axl to the Spice Girls, I pointed out that there is plenty of evidence to back up what Bono is saying about developing globally consumable musical product with little personal talent. The Spice Girls are an example – not great singers, no songwriting credits, open users of autotune in studio - yet globally famous “recording artists”. 

How many songs did Gary Sunshine write for CD? As far as I'm aware, his main contribution was being Axl's guitar teacher and played on Oh My God. By "all accounts" the songs were written by the band and Paul Huge.

You’re right here, someone who has “writing cred” was brought in and pronounced that after 10 years  Axl had 3 good songs in CD. That apparently set him back a long way. Who was that?


The only songs on CD that sound like they came from UYI III are The Blues and TIL.

Then we just agree to disagree, Prostitute, Catcher etc are just Axl piano songs with very similar structures to old UYI piano tunes with different, more modern bells and whistles on them. As I said, they have been given the “modern treatment” but underneath they are no different really.


And the main point is this: Slash could not have poured more emotion into the songs on CD because they wouldn't have existed without the players on CD.

To me this point is kind of meaningless, nobody can pour anything into anything when they were not there. I am willing to bet that if you handed Slash all of Axl’s piano songs from CD and let him loose on them, the majority of us would be jizzing ourselves with the results. In fact, I bet he'd make a good go of anything on CD. Nothing guitar-wise on that album sits in a different realm to anything he has done. Sure, you might have to kick his ass and make him use effects pedals etc but if he's capable of giving me a sound like the start of "Watch This" he's able to deliver on anything CD ever had.


CD was worth it to ME. As a fan of the album, I love what's there.

That’s cool but to those who millions who failed to show up for CD, it wasn’t worth it. In fairness, many do love it but the majority of old fans…no.

I have a lot of what ifs, but it's totally meaningless…..What good does that do? Take it for what it is, if you don't like it move on from it.

I have, long ago. But this is a forum, a place to shoot the shit. Just throwing stuff out there in the spirit of a forum.

I will always be interested in what Axl does. I think he's blown several opportunities to make great music with specific people. But he's still responsible for some of my favorite songs, from AFD to CD, so I'll never count him out, even if I'm not thrilled about the players surrounding him.

Here we are 100% in agreement.

Robin isn't coming back

HOORAY!

Just like Slash isn't.

BOO!

#152 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Bring Back Robin Finck "Tank" » 652 weeks ago

Regarding song writing, Bono is absolutely correct.
I have three words for people who do not buy into the idea that massively popular and highly crafted albums cannot be fronted by people with no talent once the budget is right...
The Spice Girls.

Those bitches are at the far end of the spectrum but believe me there are many "real" bands who draft in teams of writers and musicians to craft every second of their songs.
Axl was no exception, with Gary Sunshine (Aerosmith writer) hauled in listen and evaluate the tunes he had for CD. By all accounts he wasn't a fan.

To me, "Better" is the only song that really looked like a move away from the Slash era and that sounded great. (I'm referring to the early demo version I first heard).

All the piano songs on CD are "Illusions for the New Millenium" tunes that are really not much of a stretch from the old sound (just a bit more modern with some nods to Radiohead type atmospherics in the background etc). I think Slash could have poured much more emotion into them than the players did on CD.

Axl's style, no matter how hard he tries to escape it, is more Elton John than Trent Reznor. I just don’t think he rubs up well with the harsh landscape of that style of music. I like parts of Shacklers for sure, but that’s as far down that road I can go with Axl.

So, what am I saying? Well, to me CD wasn’t worth the hassle Axl has put himself, his old bandmates, his fans and all of the replacement players through. None of it was beyond the old band to deliver just as well if not better than the replacements did. Scrapped, Riad, Sorry, Maddy all have their moments but ultimately I find myself putting on Breakdown, You Could be Mine and Estranged and thinking to myself “why the fuck did he walk away from this band?”

#153 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Bring Back Robin Finck "Tank" » 652 weeks ago

Retire the GNR name or reunite with Slash, Izzy & Duff.

Enough already.

#155 Re: Guns N' Roses » BUMBLEFOOT Says Waiting For A New GUNS N' ROSES Album To Get Done Is ' » 653 weeks ago

Bono, mate you're on a highway to nowhere here. You're up against the same stonewall you'd get at HTGTH.
Like me, you should just ignore the Axlamic Fundamentalists and enjoy music from old GNR, and now Slash, Duff and Axl for yourself and forget the other stuff, although I’m enjoying the sparring here enormously!

Looking at the whole thing from each “side”;

There is something quite unique in Axl's world that he seems surrounded by so much tension and unpleasantness, this radiates out from his entourage and into much of his hardcore fan base. Those closest to him and those who most support him often do so in a very unpleasant, aggressive and irrational way.

The carry on in HTGTH is toxic; Jarmo went from being a happy & chatty fan to a totalitarian dick, Team Brazil are surrounded in horror stories of arrogance, incompetance and rudeness.

Then the other shit follows on; albums, hell even fucking songs cannot get recorded, gigs cannot start on time, TV specials fall apart, interviews are exercises in knife-edge brinksmanship, band members are clueless, guitar players leave the band and refuse to utter a word about their experience in GNR, current members sound stupid and powerless when interviewed and actually seem to know less about what’s going on in the band than Jarmo when asked. Plus lawsuits with ancient vendettas inserted still get pushed into court.

The fundamental mistake that Jarmo and all the hardcores make is that we so called "haters"  call out Axl, not because we think he’s shit, it’s in fact the total opposite. We call him out because he shat all over his old band mates on his way to being CEO of GNR, promised us all it would be worth it but has delivered so piteously compared to what he did with them that its time to shout "rthe Emperor has no clothes on!!"
We want to see him succeed, but you have to call a spade a spade sometimes.

Hell, it’s a great soap opera but if people want to embrace and defend wants going on now, let them. Jarmo must be bored out of his fucking mind writing the same passive aggressive shit day-in day-out to decent fans who just ask logical questions about why their idol can’t play ball.

Slash’s world on the other hand appears peaceful and the man is playing the guitar of his life. He runs his band like most professional bands run theirs, efficiently and with their customer in mind.

Personally, I’ll take 10 songs like “Bad Rain” every two years over a song like “Scrapped” every twelve years any day. People Slash is lazy, I think we all know that is total bullshit. The man is out there on all fronts with no major label support doing it for real and the crowds are getting bigger every year.

Sure I’d agree the man needs to collaborate with more modern rockers like Cantrell or Grohl, or AXL ideally to bring out the best in him but he’s TRYING and that is always more commendable than sitting at home whining and blaming others for your every ill.

#156 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 653 weeks ago

No worries Otto!!! I cannot speak any language except English (not even good at that) so don't apologise!

#157 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 653 weeks ago

otto wrote:

Hookers and Blow is a joke but to say that at least 10k people show up to Slash... KINDA misleading.

..

You eh KINDA misread what I wrote, I actually wrote "Slash shows up on stage to play, anything up to 10,000 people show up to listen"

#158 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Duff''s band Walking Papers » 653 weeks ago

Try these RaZor,

The Butcher

A Place Like This

#159 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 653 weeks ago

Dizzy as a "creative musician" really ought to know better. My feeling is here that this was more of an attempt to keep the boss happy than anything else. Fact is Dizzy old son, when Slash shows up on stage to play anything up to 10,000 people show up to listen, when Hookers & Blow play...well...I rest my case.  13
For a guy with so much downtime from GNR he's equally as poor on output as Axl. Anyone can be an armchair critic.

I've played in bands with "technical guys" and they can be the fucking pits...some of them re so fucking smug with themsleves for learning all of the theory that they decide to be musical accountants rather than artists and preach to all that will listen about their stunning insight into the cogs of music.

I remember writing with a old band mate who was classically trained and the riff he presented was carbon copy of U2's "The Fly". When challenged he got pissy and responded something along the lines of "well, its not the same, the augmented 5th is placed in the third bar and not the second"...dude...to the rest of the world its the SAME FUCKING RIFF.. 17

So tell Mr. Jazz to get bent and concentrate on breaking the rules to break new ground and not adopting a North Korean mindset to your craft.

#160 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 653 weeks ago

I was annoyed that Izzy would play a wedding with Axl for coin but not show at the RNRHOF even though his old commrades Duff, Slash & Stephen really wanted him to.
It has nothing to do with not respecting his legacy which I do, massively.

For me, I imagine that wedding: the pompous, rich self-indulged fools swishing to GNR, talking loudly over the band and probably too blitzed on Moet to even know or appreciate just who is making that sound for them. While on the other side I saw all the fans who followed GNR forever, watching the RNRHOF just hoping to hear the man play for ten minutes with his old mates...and yet no..

On the other topic of taking sides...
Duff, Izzy, Slash and Axl were the four chemicals that turned GNR into the blockbuster drug we're all addicted to. None of those men should be denigrated, misrepresented, or diminished in their role as key contributor to the GNR sound.

People get personal out of frustration and 'cause its safe to do so on the Internet. Its plain wrong but "the GNR Debate" seems destined to remain one that will see fans boil it down to who they like best.

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