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#141 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Dropping the Needle Podcast with Alan Niven » 650 weeks ago

At the end of the day, Alan is a manager. I don't buy this whole 'rock n roll spirit' bullshit. I think it comes down to "I got fired from the biggest, best, highest paying job, in rock n' roll at the highest moment in it's history".

In fairness Axlin, we'd all be pissed if we got what he got. He worked hard for the band and just as the moon was in sight he got fucked out.
What is telling is that Izzy went straight back to him as a solo artist and the VR guys wanted him to come bacik and manage the band originally so it seems that his sacking from GNR was indeed spearheaded by one man..Axl..Well two men...Goldstein who was creeping into Axl's head behind the scenes. That is backed up by Alan, Izzy and Slash. And of course we have that creepy, ingratiating letter from the man himself to Axl as further proof of the kind of character Doug was/is.

As Niven turned down managing Bon Jovi and Velvet Revolver, I tend to believe he is more of an old rock n roller / manager of the old school who likes the money but has to like the artist too.
Some quotes …

Izzy Stradlin about Niven’s role:
“I felt really bad about it, because I'm still friends with Alan. I felt I had to choose between him and the band. He was kinda like the sixth member of the group for a while. And he really helped put us where we are now. I still think he’s a great manager. But Axl and he had too much of a clash of personalities. Alan has his way of doing things which is more like a military strategy. Axl wants to do stuff his way, at his pace, in his time.”

Look where Axl’s “way” and “pace” has gotten us….

Slash in his 2007 biography by Antony Bozzer:?
“During this process (the mixing of ‘UYI’) the animosity between our manager, Alan Niven, and Axl came to a head. The rest of us had been trying to squash it for a while, but Axl's issues with Alan had been brewing for years - since the moment he found out that Alan also managed and produced and co-wrote Great White. There was also the fact that Alan was opinionated on a lot of things and Axl didn’t always agree with his point of view. So at times Axl felt like he was being forced to do things that he didn't necessarily want to do.“I knew it was going to happen but I didn’t think it would be the tipping point. Looking back, I feel that shift was the moment, the pause at the pinnacle of the band’s success... and the start of its downfall… All the same, I saw Doug coming. He made a place for himself in Axl’s life, and once Axl had made his feelings about Alan clear, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Doug was right there to pick up the reins. He had been strategically moving up the ladder from the beginning. He was like an ambush predator.”

How many times have we bemoaned the fact that nobody tells Axl what is the best thing to do?? To me, Alan looks like the last man that did.

#142 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Dropping the Needle Podcast with Alan Niven » 650 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

He's cool but still a fair bit biased towards his own world view. Comparing being sent to boarding school with being abused and bullied as a child really is ridiculous.

I could be wrong but he made a reference to another guy talking about being sexually approached in Eton, that kind of weird shit is rife in boarding schools. I got the impression that he was saying that at seven he was sent to a world where that shit went on i.e. he was abused himself...I could well be putting a huge set of legs on this though and have nothing to back up such an opinion.

Ultimately you are absolutely correct though..being raped by a parent is up there with the most heinous and traumatic of events and he should not have dismissed it as he did.
My feeling is that  this is coming from a place of frustratuion with Axl and how he may have used that event as a reason to explain his more unpalatable ways (Niven referred to Axl's obsession with control, his constant complaning and getting his own way and his drive to outdo his heroes).
Weirdly, I remember a documentary about Michael Jackson (another super talented, super famous childhood abuse victim) and Clive Davis was talking about Micahel's demands and constant complaining and obsession with outdoing all of his idols. Both Axl & Michael seemed to behave the same way once they were in the eye of the storm of their success.

If his job his maximizing the bands earnings he surely should be able to see NR and DC (and their videos) contribution to that

Well he decided to split UYI into two albums to maximise the return to the band so he knew where the money was BUT I agree that his taste in music wrt GNR was firmly on Izzy's Stonesy side which was a blindside & ultimately a shortcoming for him.

For me, those three interviewers missed a very important point, most of us are fans of GNR because of the crazy metamorphosis the band under went. It was never seen quite like this before. Some of it was amazing, some of it was “too much, too young” egomania but it was a hell of a show. I’m glad they went ape-shit on the UYI’s.

Personally, I would have loved them to stay together and come out in 1994 with a Contraband style album, heavier with Axl going bananas all over it. That would have stuck it to all the hipsters. Then I would have let Axl go off on his own to make his Elton John meets NIN album as a solo project.

#143 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Dropping the Needle Podcast with Alan Niven » 650 weeks ago

I like this guy, there seems no shit to him. I recommend listening to this while cooking dinner or else it's very slow moving.

#145 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose: the extended interview (Adelaide Now) » 651 weeks ago

Del James' interview with Axl Rip Magazine, 1992 mid- UYI Tour

DEL: When you and Slash aren't at each other's throats, you're really a force to be reckoned with.

AXL: Let me say something about us being at each other's throats: We haven't really been that way in the past year and a half. I love the guy. We're like opposite poles of energy, and we balance each other out. We push each other to work harder and complement each other that way. We had a run-in in Dayton [Ohio], because both myself and Dougie thought he said something shitty to me onstage. That was the night I cut my hand to the bone. Backstage we have monitors much like the ones onstage, and while I was back there dealing with my hand, I thought I heard him take a potshot at me. I wrapped my hand up in a towel and was like, "Let's get it taken care of, so I can finish the show." I came back onstage and was a dick to him and told him I'd kick his f?!king ass in front of 20,000 people. That was f?!ked up. I was wrong, and I apologized the second I realized I was mistaken. Someone who is supporting me as strongly as he does is a hand I never want to bite.

#146 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose: the extended interview (Adelaide Now) » 651 weeks ago

Axl needs a barring order slapped on him wrt  to accessing that part of his brain that just obsesses over Slash.

Trying to make Slash out to be some arch villian for actually being a musician who wanted to do his job and go out and tour a Number 1 double album??? That's fucking saaad.
And by the way, Axl old chum, we have hours of footage of you on the UYI stage looking like you were having a pretty good fucking time.
Why won't ANYBODY in Axl's life call him out on this kind of stuff?

Its infantile, purile and makes him look like a whiney little bitch.

And yes, his answers are the same old weave...why are you late on stage?....fifteen lines later we still haven't got a straight answer. Why doesn't he just say "cause I don't want to go on early" and be done with it. We all know that its really that simple. He doesn't want to.

And I'm fucking tired of the same answer to the album question. It seems the more Axl gets asked about something happening, the more he backs away from doing it.

#147 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Bring Back Robin Finck "Tank" » 652 weeks ago

Meanwhile...most of Chinese Democracy if you approach it with just the drums, bass, synth and vox and no guitar parts....would be completely within slash's style...once he added his solos and rhythm styles to There Was A Time, Street of Dreams, Prostitute, Madagascar, If the World, Sorry, Catcher in the Rye, This I love.....they would IMMEDIATELY sound like UYI era songs just with a few more effects and synth.

There it is ID. Monkey said it better and clearer than I did. This is the core of my point. CD is an album full of good songs, but when you strip them down, they are all built the same way as UYI tunes.

To say that " I don't think Slash meshes well with that style of music" makes no sense to me. The "style" you refer to is just a few synths over the same building blocks GNR always used. How would Slash not be able to layer up appropriate guitar against what are in essence are bells & whistles.

I would have liked to see what Slash would have done up against Robin's tunes.  Matt was right, they could have been a great pairing.

I would really like to you to pick a song on CD and tell me why you think Slash could have never been a part of it. I'm not trying to be a dick, I think we may be discussing different things and I'm just trying to find your point and give it some thought.

Cheers.

#148 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Bring Back Robin Finck "Tank" » 652 weeks ago

What guitar work on CD is so unique? Its mostly average to my ears with some shred stuck in. I don't get the love for the Maddy solo, a load of half arsed bends and nothing more.
Where is the magic?

How you can say that the guy who wrote & played the guitar on "Estranged", "The Garden", "Don't Damn me" or the end of "November Rain" would be somehow unable to deliver anything worthwhile on wide open spaces like TWAT or Maddy is frankly beyond me. Those songs are really not that revolutionary compared to Axl's old stuff.

Slash becaome a global guitar icon for his work on AFD and UYI albums, the guitar work on CD hardly raised an eyebrow. I think youre putting too much of a personal look at this.

The fact that the rumor mill suggests that Axl wanted Slash on CD tells me that even Axl believed that Slash was best placed to deliver his vision.

Great musicians can generally apply themselves to all styles of music, its what makes them great. I don't see how Slash would be any different.

Only one thing is missing for Slash now and that's Axl's muse, but his standard of delivery is  better than ever.

#150 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose Turned Down Offer To Leave Guns N' Roses » 652 weeks ago

Great read, very impressed with Axl on this one.
Thanks for making the right decision and causing us all to be here arguing!!:haha:
axl929

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