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#1191 Guns N' Roses » Libertad Fails - Will nuGNR follow? » 922 weeks ago
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VR peeps,
Is the arc that VR are following an inevitable one for Axl & Co too?
Folks tuned into VR in their millions because they were excited about 3/5 of the most widely recognised GNR being back together. Scott was a factor in that curiousity I'm sure of that but the further from the US you go the less of a reality that becomes.
They got a listen to CB and decided that it wasn't AFD so they were off.
Are nu-GNR under the same level of risk? From what you have heard so far TWAT, Better, The Blues etc, do you feel they have enough quality material and enigmatic and memorable band members to bring back the casual fan for Round II?
Sadly, I don't think so.. I hope I'm wrong but I think Axl thinks it's the nineties where his band will be ubiquitous again and enforce total domination of the sales and airwaves in a time where that no longer seems possible (unless you're Maroon 5... 13 million debut albums sold and they SUCK!!)
It could be a very weird world for these megastars by 2009, possibly a very quiet one...
#1192 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » VR - Why the Sophomore Slump? » 922 weeks ago
I fully agree with what you're saying buzzsaw, 'the sophomore slump' I refer to is in the sales and public interest arena. I prefer Libertad as an album, I also feel it shows a hell of a lot of progression from Contraband.
I just don't get it.. If nobody was going to their shows after the hype of Slither had died down I'd understand. It would have proved that, once the public delved into the content of 'Contraband', they decided VR was not for them and moved on. But there was a great response to many of the songs on the album (particularly 'Fall to Pieces'). Their gigs were packed across Europe & America (8,000 in Dublin when I was there, about the same in Toronto). The crowd response was strong to the live versions of the tunes off Contraband which made me feel it was well liked.
As I said before 'Dirty Little Thing' seemed like an badly chosen final salvo from the album but it was the last single in a two year cycle of constant touring etc, I was a bit jaded with the album myself at that stage so I figured the fan base was the same; waiting for new material and not buying any more singles.
They come back out the gates with SBQM and the whole lot just goes into rigor mortis and seems to be unable to flicker into life again.. Where are the fans that bought CB and went to the gigs? Libertad is a solid enough album; it's not AFD or even Purple for that matter but solid all the same. I'm just surprised that they were deserted so completely by rock fans.
It reminds me of Limp Bizkit... still I think they just became painfully uncool and Durst such a loathsome creep that people just had to switch off.. I have issues with some of Scott's bad tempered antics but other than that the band seem ok as people and as a 'brand' (I hate that word but you get my drift...)
I'm just confused that something that was shaping up to be a juggernaut has come in like a wheezing balloon, what the fuck happened?
peace,
Intercourse
#1193 Re: The Garden » NEW MEMBERS introduce yourself here » 923 weeks ago
Intercourse here. I've been lurking around GNR forums for years, banned from HTGTH for expressing frsutration that my favourite artist couldn't get an album out.
James asked me to come on over here just before my banning and I've enjoyed it ten times more.
Glad you guys are back!!!
#1194 Management » ROV Team - Get the Message Out!! » 923 weeks ago
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Guys,
I love this site, it's contributors are excellent. I had a real struggle finding you after you got taken down.
Can you get the other forums to publicise your move a bit more? This hasnot been easy, like some others I had to wade through tons of ass licking nonsense in HTGTH to find a link to you.
I'd hate to see your site go the way of Libertad....
Keep up the good work, you guys rock!!
Cheers,
Intercourse.
#1195 Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » VR - Why the Sophomore Slump? » 923 weeks ago
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Fellow ROV members,
Why have VR seen their popularity wane so much? I really thought '˜The Last Fight' would have secured their arrival with Libertad but it's not getting much airplay and languishes at the bottom of many radio charts. What would it take to get this album moving?
I personally would have done things differently if I was VR and their management team. I think '˜SBQM' was a weak opener. The tune is a '˜meh' moment for me, I don't like or dislike the tune, I am ambivalent about it which is the worst way to be about a band I am so fond of. SBQM it had nothing like the impact of '˜Slither' upon first listen. I am a fan of VRs more Stones-esqe delivery on Libertad but Slither had serious groove and attitude, I though SBQM sounded a little clunky (I still dislike the pre-chorus and can't make up my mind about the chorus) and with an obvious nod to U2's '˜Vertigo' as the opener for the verse it really wasn't in my opinion offering anything except a workmanlike rock song (albeit with a stellar solo from Slash) to drag the casual fan back buy Libertad.
I thought the band would have been more careful to absorb the opinions of its fans on the forums. After Contraband, the overwhelming feeling I got from reading fans opinions was that many felt that '˜You Got not Right' and '˜Lovin' the Alien' were ignored gems that could have benefitted from being singles much more so than '˜Dirty Little Thing' which got nowhere.
For me personally, I would have opened this albums onslaught with '˜Just Sixteen' as a single. I think it's got great energy and attitude, excellent verses and bridge, TONs of attitude and lots of Mr Slash. I think it could have been the '˜Friday night in the truck shaking your head with the windows down' tune of the summer. I don't think '˜Get Out the Door' will drag back any of the fans who bought Contraband but cried off Libertad and that song looks like it will probably be the third and last single if the sales continue as is.
I think consigning '˜Messages' to a little purchased EP was a crime. It may be viewed as a cynical marketing ploy but VR could have swapped '˜Can't Get It Out of my Head' for '˜Messages' and released it as a single on September 11th; donating all proceedings to the appropriate charities. Coupled with a tasteful and moving video it would have been played non-stop and given VR a truly global spotlight to shine in. I think '˜Messages' is such an emotive song with an unusual and touching perspective to write from. Re-recording '˜Candle in the Wind' for Princess Di never did Elton John any harm plus it generated a shit load of money for charity...
If I was the guys I'd be having some serious conversations with the people whose job it is to get my ass on the TV and radio. They have the minerals live, many of have seen them and the crwod responses they evoke. They have the rock pedigree, they have Slash, they should be doing a lot better than this.... what a fucking shame.
Glad to see ROV back,
I despaired at having to resort to looking in on mails with titles like 'what dreams about Axl have you had?' and 'where can I buy an Axl Rose duvet set?' in another nameless website ..:haha:
