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#111 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Paul Tobias » 633 weeks ago

It all could have been managed so much more cleverly by Axl.
- Sit in your Malibu mansion with an eight track, your piano and Tobias and get your shit down.
- Get a flunkie to deliver it to the studio and just order Slash to go hog wild all over it.
- Get a great producer to glue the whole thing together.

Tobias didn't like touring so leave him at home with his royalties and take Gilby back out.
Gilby wrote some great riffs also, (check out Pawnshop Guitars): I bet he could have worked up a few great rockers with Slash, Duff and Matt.
They could deliver those back to Axl and let him go hog wild with his vocals and whatever the fuck else (sound effects etc - the rock n roll spine of the tunes would still be there).

You could have had the two sides of the GNR coin working as well as could be hoped for considering the size of the egos, drug problems and other massive corporate and legal distractions these twenty something boys were buried under.

The main problems with the whole thing were:
- Axl wanted to be the boss and lead the musical direction of GNR, yet dhe didn't seem to know what he wanted and nothing was good enough
- He had relegated his whole band to the status of delivery boys for his visions - completely unfair to musicians who fought their way up with Axl and were essentially megastars at that time.

A decent manager with giant testicals who could have been a father figure to the band; who could shout at them , kick their ass but love and protect them as though they were his sons was the main ingredient missing post UYI. If Axl could have been nurtured but called into line, Slash & Duff taken off from their drug and alcohol road to hell and everybody slapped about and made realise just what they had, we could have had a GNR that eclipsed U2.

GNR are just another "if only" in my life, damn them!!! 17

#112 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Paul Tobias » 633 weeks ago

Hey ID,
There was more than Slash who didn't want Paul there. here are some quotes from the band about his role in GNR.
Slash was not alone in his distaste for Paul...

Matt:
"Then Paul Huge walked into the studio and made a bad comment about Slash. I said, "You don't say that when I'm in the room." Then Axl laid in, I argued with him and it was over. Huge followed me out into the parking lot and said, Come back. I said, I can't come back, he's fired me. Do you feel good about breaking up one of the greatest bands that ever lived? [...] Paul Huge is the Yoko Ono of GN'R [Q Magazine, May 2001]

Duff:
[Axl] had hired his best friend for the band. I couldn't play with him. Paul Huge, that was the guy! He's a friend of Axl, he's a 'yes man.' [...] Man, you can't be in Guns N' Roses just like that. That was a real band. [...] Well, imagine you and I grow up together and you're my best friend. OK, I'm in Guns N' Roses and I tell the rest you're going to join the band. "OK, Slash, Axl, Matt, guys, this guy is in the band". "Duff, you got a minute?" "No, he's in the band" "Well, no. Everyone in the band has to vote it, Duff, so no way!" "Fuck you, this guy is in the band! I'm not doing anything unless this guy is in the band" "OK, you know what? We'll try and play with him, since you're that much interested in it. Hey Duff, the guy can't play" "I don't care" "Well that's not very reasonable." "I don't care". At that point, what would you do? I came to a point where I couldn't even look at [Paul Huge]. If I were in such a situation, if I were the friend joining the band, I'd say "Hey guys, you've done very good yourselves alone, I'm not going any further. Hey, Duff, thanks for the offer, but I'm breaking your band." But he didn't say it [Popular 1, July 2000]

Slash
Axl then [after firing Gilby in 1994] insisted on hiring Paul Huge, this guy he knew from Indiana who, for whatever reason, also calls himself Paul Tobias. They had history: the two of them cowrote 'Back Off Bitch' among other songs. I was open to the idea...until Paul showed up: he had no personality whatsoever and no particular guitar style or sound that I could identify with. He was, without doubt, the least interesting , most bland guy holding a guitar that I'd ever met. I tried my best to work with him, but it went nowhere. It was even more awkward then it sounds because our stilted interaction took place at rehearsal with everyone else watching us (...). No, it was useless; the guy was irredeemable. It was like talking to a wall, a wall with a bad attitude. He was totally arrogant and gave off the vibe that he was Axl's boy, that he was in, and that everyone else had to deal with it [Bozza, Anthony, & Slash (2007). Slash. Harper Entertainment: New York, p.377-378]

So in summary, I would say there was no chance that this was going to work. I think Axl needed to accept the will of the majority here but he was too pleased with "the power rewards of my vision" to listen to his team.

#113 Re: Guns N' Roses » U2 Producer tells Axl story » 633 weeks ago

Excellent post Apex with much food for thought. I think you're theory makes more and morse sense when you pull in all factors.
No rages, no rants, Axl looking hurt rather than angry when things fuck up,  the flubbed lines, the weight gain and dialled in gigs, the lack of creativity, the apparent lack of connectivity to how decisions are made....
It's all there.
Prozac?
Vicodin for the leg?

#114 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Time slash goes on stage? » 633 weeks ago

First time seeing Slash???
Man, I remember seeing the original band in 1991 in Germany and when they were on I just stared at each man in turn thinking "you are so fucking cool".

FF,
Hope you enjoyed the gig, hearing Slash live is an experience...such an instantly recognisable style

#115 Re: Guns N' Roses » Curious Sorry/Shackler mention » 633 weeks ago

Tommy has the balls to say things as he sees them, the old punk in him isn't dead yet.
Someday, someone will write the definative book about Axl post UYI and I will go sick from work to stay home and read it about 6 times.

#116 Re: Guns N' Roses » U2 Producer tells Axl story » 633 weeks ago

I am more concerned for GNR now than I ever was.
On ths surface life seems grand; Axl is beaming like fucking Garfield when he's out, his hangers on are bedded comfortably into his life fully and he's ok with that, he seems to like his band as people and he shows up for all of his concerts.
YET
He looks fucking terrible, he has every appearance of a man boozing heavily, he's dialling in a lot of his carbon copy live performances but doesn't seem troubled by that.
And...what's the fucking story with the tunes????

What I don't understand is why, as an artist he doesn't have a huge desire to get songs like "The General" out there. Those that have heard these songs say they are great so... what's the problem?
If you don't want to write and release music and you are obviously coasting though the whole live thing, never seeming to be interested in even looking at the fun and excitment of playing deep cuts that you wrote for your fans.., it begs the question..why are you here? Is it JUST for the money?

What I would love to know is just what exactly Axl's sense of himself and GNR as two important pieces of entertainment history is...

Axl fans always bagged on Slash because Axl said he  "didn't want to work that hard"... I think time has proven that Slash always worked hard, he just didn't want to spend years chasing the phantom of the perfect album with Axl. I think both men have come out of this with less as a result but I cannot blame Slash for not wanting to be a part of today's set up. Imagine being Slash in today's GNR...taking orders off a cleaner and her arrogant son?...PFFT..

#117 Re: Guns N' Roses » Is that you Axl? » 636 weeks ago

I don't know why his look today bothers me but it does...

I looked at that short film from backstage at a concert in Spain the other night (from back in 2006) and the guy looked awesome. He climbs out of a van with the shades and the cornrows and the first thing you notice is how broad the guy is. Now he looks round shouldered and his arms are getting like my Dads...thinning and hanging down each side of a pair of tits and a sloping gut. But my old man is 74 and this has only just started to happen!

It just doesn't have to be this way for Axl, he has the means to get himself back into killer shape.
Just look at Izzy, Duff and Matt...that's aging rocker at its best.

I guess for me its symbolic of the "couldn't give a fuck, just coasting" vibe I get from him and his "family".
I want him to get back in the game because when he's on his game, he's a force of nature.

If he's happy good for him, but if he could be happy, ripped and pumping out new music, all the better.

#118 Re: The Sunset Strip » STONE TEMPLE PILOTS return with CHESTER BENNINGTON as their FRONTMAN! » 638 weeks ago

My 5c worth.

The STP musicians have had enough of Scott's years of bad behaviour and they want to continue to make money and keep their profile without hanging on Scotts behaviour and whims.
They tried before with talk Show and Army of Anyone but couldn't get anywhere without the name "STP".

You may be critical of them keeping the name, but that name keeps mortgages paid and children in private schools so its no surprise that all sides want a piece of it. As you get older you look to secure your family and that drive for souless money may be hard for some of you younger members to understand just yet. Try having a kid though and you'll be amazed how your focus changes and hardens and it becomes about securing your family's future and fuck anyone who stops that happening.

The DeLeo brothers built the STP name just as much as Scott, Scott just had a more high profile role as the face of the band but the brothers are the engine that runs it (and the musicians that created the STP sound).  Both sides & the fans should respect the other for their role to date.

Scott has been on a big decline of late (read reviews of his solo shows here: http://reviews.ticketmaster.com/7171/77 … views.htm).
Scott's BS is tired and belongs in a band of twenty somethings. There's enough info out there to show that Scott is impossible to work with at times, irratic and undependable.
The band have stuck this for 25 years, if they look full of malice its probably because they are. STP should be where Pearl Jam are now.

This suit will end up costing both sides. My guess is that the current STP guys will have to pay Scott a dividend and visa versa from here on out. No winners.





Richard Patrick from Filter talks about Scott's issues here; http://www.noisecreep.com/2013/06/04/fi … tt-weilan/

#119 Re: The Sunset Strip » Post your songs! » 638 weeks ago

Check out my old band here guys.
We made these demos for a record label in 2001.
That's my ugly head in the second one, listening to the mixes in the studio.
Happy days in Chicago, loved that city!!!

Rubie Vale

#120 Re: The Sunset Strip » STONE TEMPLE PILOTS return with CHESTER BENNINGTON as their FRONTMAN! » 639 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

"Their position is/was that if you’re going to perform using STP to sell your tour, then it needs to be with us as your band."

That would make sense except at the same time they're saying he isn't good enough to perform the STP songs without damaging their legacy.

Scott obviously has his drug issues, and it seems like it's all gone to his head a bit with the showing up late and the bullshit he was kicked from VR for too....but at the same time....I can see why that's frustrating...they tell him he isn't good enough to sing his own songs with them...and that he can't sing them without them?

What I think they were politely saying here Monkey is that his throat is fried from being a massive alcoholic and he was too incapasitated to hit the big notes.
He's not fit enough anymore to do the big tunes. Look at him these days, a slightly bloated, slurring mess. Singers need to stay very fit to continue after their 20's. Axls singing is very patchy these days but his drinking has been stellar. The link is undeniable.

In fact, you could look at it that the guys wanted to do the 20th anniversary tour but their lead man is too liquered up to do anything challenging. They were probably trying to work out how to get this tour over the line but ensure Scott could deliver.

Scott Weiland is a man that has burned through every chance he was given and he's had many. As I said, the STP band probably felt they had no choice but to endure with Scott... until Chester came along and their lawyer could prove that they could go on as STP without Scott.

Find me one musician who is not working for Scott who says the man is a dream to work with. You won't and that's sad 'cause I'm a fan, saw Scott in Dublin with STP and he knocked it out of the park.

I just hope the man finally realises that his future is better mapped out as a sober man.

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