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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 24 hours ago
xbrownstonex wrote:Fernando really had the decency to put his fucking kid on the cover of nothin. this is really a new low for the band and i'd love to know what slash and duff think about this. they probably dont care anyway.
and everyone who's defending this shit (looking at soulmonster on mygnr) is a fucking idiot and an enabler.
I don't get why Axl feels so close to these people. They have always struck me as very low class. He keeps coming under the spell of questionable characters, it's very strange. Madly in love with Stephanie Seymor, a complete user and a nutcase, spent hundreds of thousands if not millions on that whole Yoda medium scam and now delegating his business affairs to complete incompetents.
How can a world famous rock star be so naive?
Slash & Duff are probably cringing on a daily basis, but they want that money to keep coming in. Old enough to not give a fuck about anything else.
Yeah the Yoda stuff showed how susceptible he was to all sorts of shenanigans. He could've just as easily fell into a cult.
How can a world famous rock star be so naive?
If the internet had existed in the 60s/70s, Beach Boys fans would've been asking this same question.
Blackstar wrote:Down By The Ocean was written by Izzy in 1995 (among other songs). But, according to Izzy, Axl contacted him some time in 2000 (or maybe early 2001) and asked him for the tapes. It's not clear if that means that Axl hadn't kept the songs at all or he was asking for the masters.
Regardless, since that song was written by Izzy, it's almost safe to assume that it would have been a full fledged song since 1995 or at least not a sketch in the form of Nothing that we heard in the locker leaks, unless Axl used just small elements of it (but that doesn't seem very likely).
Izzy was writing with Duff.
Per Chinese Whispers
"In April, 1995, Duff calls me again: 'I'm trying to compose new songs for the guys in GN'R. Come and give me a hand.' It made five [years] that I'd left Guns but I said myself: 'Well shit, after all, why not?' Duff and I wrote ten songs in the space of week. We even recorded them as demos." (French Izzy interview, 2001)
Which means Duff has the dat tapes too.In 2000 Axl was talking to Izzy and not Duff whose now back in gnr.
We have no idea the level of completion of any of the Izzy and Duff songs.
Is anything i written above not factually correct ?
In an alternate timeline there's a really interesting GNR album released in 1996.
faldor wrote:Not that I expected these songs to be smash hits but they don’t appear in the iTunes Rock charts yet. Never mind the overall top 200. Are they still too new? I tend to remember their other recent singles at least climbing the charts initially before they were forgotten. “Perhaps” especially since there was an actual music video.
I guess it was just too early, Nothin’ is now #1 on the iTunes Rock chart & Atlas is #2. They’re all the way up to #5 & 6 on the overall chart. Initial buzz is there, but it won’t last when they do nothing with it.
That's amazing and you're right...they'll sink like a lead balloon because there's any follow through.
Look what happened with Perhaps. It was actually getting some attention that first day or two and then....boom...it was over.
Bill Brasky wrote:sp1at wrote:it's not Down by the Ocean, which also wasn't Box
Based on what ?
Have you heard Down By The Ocean ?
Odd story
When I was doing my website years ago, people thought I was a trader, which I wasn't. I heard 10-15 seconds of that song from someone who thought I had other songs, which I didn't.
I don't remember much, but I think I'd know it if I heard it
Yeah this is how it happened back then. A select group of people on the forums were sent different clips....some got CITR (me included), some Atlas, some Hard School (Razz the famous receiver of this clip), and I think Silkworms. You and a few others must have got that one.
The 9 second CITR clip leaking out in the open is the only reason the full song leaked a few weeks later.
It was 18-19 years ago. It was validated officially by someone. I just followed advice back then and left it alone
Probably a smart move. TPTB didn't want anything else leaking out....it's why they went after Razz over the "Checkmate" clip.
The fan. base came really close to a huge leak happening.
It should've happened.
Robin Fink at least managed to release an album yesterday for the videogame he was involved in making.
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I gotta check this out.
#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 24 hours ago
When listening the first time, I was shocked they kept that Casio keyboard sound. Sweet baby Jesus.
Other than that, it's pretty good. Slash must have really liked it because he brought his A game to the solo.
Like all the other songs, it sounds like an unfinished song that was simply polished and released.
The post reunion years have revealed the true meaning of the A and B lists....
A list - Actual finished songs going on Chinese Democracy
B list - All the half finished songs, instrumentals, and fragments
Back in the prime years of the CD saga, fans assumed the A list was all the massive epics and the B list all the rockers.
#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » Atlas » 25 hours ago
The only thing improved in this updated version is the awkward transitions/cut and paste hell are not nearly as noticeable. They pulled a rabbit out of a hat in that regard. While I loved the original version, I didn't think they could fix that.
Everything else is a downgrade. I like Duff's bass but it's mixed a tad too high, Axl mixed a bit too low, and all the music together is just one big blah and everything kinda cancels each other out. Slashs solo sounds like he listened to the original solo and devoted one take to replicating it, and then moved on.
It also made me realize that the song simply goes nowhere. It wants to be some sort of epic but it just can't. Like mentioned above, it really needs a killer bridge and a GNR epic outro to take it to the heights it wants to go.
I'd like to hear that alternate take but let's be honest, it's probably identical with one instrument higher in the mix.
This was not a band doing legit alternate versions of songs.
Yeah....the mix is terrible.
Amazing how they refuse to bring in a professional to improve all these songs.
#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 3 days ago
This time they announced a set date with one week notice. If you weren’t ready to release today then surely you must have known a week ago that certain things weren’t done and that you wouldn’t have time to do them in one week. So why announce it then?
Because the organization is not only inept/incompetent, they're on record as detesting the hardcore base. We're the infamous "pond scum" unworthy of new music.
They can fuck something up (par for the course) and instead of any repercussions for the fuck up, they can sit back and get joy out of what they're doing.
They could even do this amateur hour shit on purpose.... because there's zero repercussions for doing so.
It's NOT a coincidence that every single thing that isn't the touring machine run by Live Nation is always bungled.
Always.
This is actually a bigger fail in some ways than any beforehand. If they aren’t ready today to release, then surely they knew that a week ago when they chose to announce that they would release today. No one made them do that or was honestly expecting it at this point.
They absolutely knew a week ago. They didn't even bother to upload the always basic, generic artwork for the tracks. Why? Because they knew it wasn't coming out.
IF they believed it really was coming out today, that's even WORSE. It shows that whichever pea brained 6th cousin of a nanny in charge of uploading these tracks did it without bothering with the artwork.
Garage bands managed by their mothers aren't this clueless.
This band has been such a fucking disappointment since I got into them almost 20 years ago.
I've said it for years...I feel sorry for the younger generations of fans who never got to experience what the real GNR was like. They really missed out.
#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 3 days ago
I’ve read that the remaining living members of the Faces have recorded an album and will be released in 2026 sometime. First time since the 70s.
I bet that comes out before these 2 singles.
I'm definitely interested in that.
This is a real shitty band to be a fan of. I was looking forward to blaring these two songs tonight but of course...nada...zilch.
By the time it does come out, you barely even give a shit.
Oh well....I'll just go back to the Talking Heads.
No matter what 30 year old song they decide to release, it'll never be as good as this....
They also announced the indefinite delay on the official GNR X page. Said the infamous SOON
Per the official Twitter page..it was in the reply fir f'd sake.
"Apologies for the delay in the music release today. Due to unforeseen technical issues with our distribution partners, the tracks Nothin’ & Atlas are not available everywhere just yet. We’re working diligently to resolve this ASAP. The songs will be available everywhere very soon."
Don't post shit like this here. It's not even mildly amusing and the few people hanging in here aren't interested in trolling.
Either post normal or go to mygnr or the social media platform of your choice.
#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 3 days ago
The organization top to bottom...balls deep in incompetence.
It was to be expected though. There hasn't been a normal release since the Sympathy single.
I'm just saying - I believe it.
It is extremely rare for tracks to not leak in advance if already uploaded. If it had been uploaded somewhere, but not released - someone would have leaked it.
The fact that there wasn't much of a push or even pushed by for example even a mention by the twitter account lends credence.
They probably knew for days or someone jumped the gun on announcing this. - point fingers at whomever. Bad communication or botched ideas is part of the experience.
People will get it in DMs, forums or discord before it comes out.
They didn't even bother uploading any art work to that pre-save/order link.
They knew it wasn't coming out from jump street.
If so, this would be taking James theory of the Chinese bait and switch to a whole new level.
It's not really a theory....it's a simple fact that took years to notice the pattern.
From 1999 to present day.
It started with the initial pushing of CD/Oh My God that led straight into nothing but Live Era release...including videos of the old band.
This band has become a joke really. Axl cries about some stupid marketing plan and what do they do? Mention the songs in a hidden sentence of a tour announcment which half the people didnt even see at first and thats it. nothing on their website, no teasers, nobody knows when the fuck this shit is gonna hit the streams.
but at least the fucking whore vanessa is able to post her privat jetset life on insta. TB are really the worst kind of people and absolutely incompetent and the band clearly has no desire to create any music.
Other than the Vanessa stuff which I don't follow at all, I agree with the overall point.
They're parasites. They latched onto him in the immediate aftermath of his split with Steph and essentially took over his life....to the point decades later becoming "managers" when they don't even have experience managing a lemonade stand.
When looking at the history of GNR, everything starts falling apart and never recovers the moment these people enter the picture. The bands history can be divided between pre-TB and post-TB.
The alternate timeline where Steph never spreads her legs for a rock star...meaning these people never meet Axl ....is vastly different from this timeline.
It could be worse....but it's a different kind of worse.
#7 Re: The Sunset Strip » Most Recent Movie You've Seen » 3 days ago
I've watched a shit ton of new movies/seriesthe past few months...
The Astronaut - First half pretty good and keeps you in suspense....it then falls off a cliff with a ridiculous climax.
Nuremberg - Amazing. This should get a few Oscar noms.
The Long Walk - I literally waited like 35 years for this movie to happen. It was ok but they bastardized the ending just so a black guy can be the survivor.
The Monkey - Another Stephen King story I waited eons for. I hated it. The actors are unlikable and they don't take the story seriously.
Alien: Romulus - I'm officially done with the Alien franchise. Garbage acting and garbage story. There's just no point in continuing this saga whether in sequels or reboots.
The Senior - Amazing story....middle aged guy makes college football comeback. Thankfully they didn't fictionalize it too much.
Drop - I normally hate smartphones in any type of movie. Almost didn't watch it. It's different here because the whole story revolves around her getting texts while out on a first date. Definitely worth watching....once.
F1 The Movie - While it's just a generic run of the mill racing movie, I actually liked it. A bit too long though.
Green Room - Loved it. It's always weird seeing Patrick Stewart in anything not named Star Trek.
Presence - Wow. This deserves a Best Picture Oscar nom. This may be the most unique, original ghost film ever. We see everything from the ghosts POV...and it's nothing outlandish like most ghost/supernatural movies now.
Final Destination Bloodlines - The story doesn't even really matter...it's all about the crazy deaths throughout. They do a pretty good job with it.
Paterno - Pacino deserved an Emmy for this performance. He knocked it out of the park. I gotta watch this again.
When We Were Kings - Holy shit...this might be the greatest documentary ever. If not...it's certainly top 5. Just the spectacle surrounding the fight (Ali vs Foreman) sends chills down your spine. It's also a reminder of how far boxing has fallen in relevance.
Man....Ali was really something else. There'll never be another.
The Luckiest Man In America - Crazy it took 40 years for someone to make a film for this story. It's about the Press Your Luck scandal.
It's amazing but the thing I worried about going into it wound up happening....they don't show us how his life completely unravels after he wins all that money. The film focuses on the game show itself.
The Apprentice - If the world hadn't been turned into a dystopic Trump world, this probably wins shit tons of awards. It's really something else. Love the 70s vibe they got for this.
The Yogurt Shop Murders - The greatest documentary on the case ever. It deserves awards. Its too bad they couldn't have waited a few more months to release this because shockingly, this case wound up getting solved. I highly recommend this.
The Speedway Murders - About the 1978 Burger Chef murders. I guarantee this format gets ripped off by tons of true crime shows. It has actors playing the victims alive in the restaurant and they go over all the various theories about what really happened. Pretty unique.
Juror #2 - This was a huge disappointment... especially when you consider the possibility that it's Clints last film. He should've starred in it as the juror. It has a Lifetime movie vibe to it. I've noticed a lot of dramas feel like this now.
Trap - Just another M Night Sghbnbgfgk movie with a twist. His twists are simply way too predictable and when that's all his movies have to offer....
Late Night With the Devil - They nail the late night tv 70s setting. It was great up until it goes bat poop crazy at the climax.
I Know What You Did Last Summer (2025) - Pure garbage. I only made it halfway through. The cast is simply too unlikable for me to give a shit about anything that's happening.
John Candy: I Like Me - This was incredible. He's deserved a documentary like this for decades. Loved the SCTV footage.
GLOW (series) - The first two seasons were perfect. I regretted waiting so long to watch it. It did not need that third season. It almost ruins it. If/when I watch it again, I'll be skipping the final season.
Cheech and Chong's Last Movie - A perfect final chapter to their story. They drive while going over every aspect of the saga while we get to see all the footage. You can tell the breakup still bothers them... especially Chong.
I always thought a final movie like a Grumpy Old Men for stoners would've been the way to go out. Nope...this provides closure.
Defending Jacob - Great 8 episode miniseries. I should probably read the book.
The World Will Tremble - It's good but there was so much more potential here. I wish Spielberg had tackled this story. What happened at Chelmno is horrifying...and just the opening round of the death camps ..but they don't properly convey the nightmare. It's just not all that emotional or shocking.
I'm starting to wonder if those old historians were right....it would be impossible to really dive into the Holocaust on film. A few exceptions of course.
Goebbels and The Fuhrer - This was better than it had any right to be.I went into it with low expectations. I have it on my list of things to watch again.
The Apology - This could've been amazing but they drag it out way too long. I would've preferred a better actor as brother in law/killer.
Humane- Loved it. I could easily picture this really happening in the coming decades....some sort of collapse happens and every family has to agree to euthanize some members.
You'll Never Find Me - I loved it up until the twist ruined it.
Hell of a Summer - Great slasher comedy. We need more movies like this.
Stranger Things - I finally forced myself to give this a shot...I had waited long enough. It starts out with a bang but I lost interest completely when season 4 starts. I don't think I can finish it.
#8 Re: The Garden » NFL 2025 » 5 days ago
Another crazy week....
Vikings have no answer for QB. Letting Darnold go may go down as the biggest mistake in franchise history. They gotta go back to the draft or try to get one of the free agent QBs this off season. Slim pickings.
Bears keep winning but I'm still not sure this isn't some bizarre fluke that will come crashing down shortly. Lions on the verge of circling the drain. Bears and Packers in the driver's seat in that division and I doubt this division will produce three playoff teams....too many contenders this season for that to occur.
Tampa and Carolina gonna fight to the death over that division. Falcons had a small shot until today.
Colts continue their collapse. Went from the top seed to a wild cart slot in 3 weeks. Next week's game against the Jaguars is huge.
Ravens and Steelers in big trouble. One of them will get to stumble backwards into the playoffs by default (division winner) but don't expect much.
The AFC is a total crap shoot this year. Perfect time for the Patriots to make a run with that weak schedule.
Is Denver for real? I'm expecting a slide similar to the Colts. If the Chargers also falter, this puts the Chiefs right back in the thick of it.
#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Album thread 2025 by sp1at » 5 days ago
I’ll never pass up new songs but what the hell kind of timing is this release? Taking advantage of the Holiday music buying crowd? Simply to go along with the tour announcement and tickets going on sale? Doesn’t it make more sense to release songs closer to the start of the tour? Ultimately it doesn’t matter because the songs will come out and the band/mainly Axl won’t do anything with them. Unless things are different now? Nah, can’t be.
They haven't had proper management in eons. The brief period they had real management is when we got Chinese Democracy. TB took over after that. The only thing that runs competently is the touring machine and Live Nation does the heavy lifting there.
Everything but touring is just TB pretending like they know what they're doing and the big 3 indulging it because album and merch sales are a tiny percentage of their profits.
If this was the 90s when album sales were the bulk of your profits, they would've been immediately fired or GNR would've quickly been run into the ground.
I do find it coincidental that umg was expecting Chinese Democracy in 1999 but we got the orginal release of live era instead, Then again umg was expecting Chinese Democracy in 2004 but we got greatest hits instead. Now i was told umg was expecting a release from gnr on June 6th 2025 but we got a reissue/remaster of live era instead.
Notice a pattern ?
It's beyond coincidence....it was a strategy.
Bait and switch.
They've been doing it since day one of the saga....and continue to do it.
One of the worst was the 2006 Harley Davidson ad. Fan base going ape shit when we heard Better would be launched....they wind up using PC instead.
"See ya next summer with a bunch of new songs!"....
Nope... but you almost get AFD in its entirety.
It always winds up going back to AFD. ALWAYS.
It's a fucking miracle we ever got anything at all.
He wound up being another David Gilmour....he wanted the band name and everything that comes with it for himself but didn't have the drive or motivation to really pull it off.
Also why would Axl be talking about a marketing plan at the may 5th Japan gnr show on the iem recording for the new songs if they weren't ready for release ?
There is no marketing plan....there will never be a marketing plan.
These songs have been sitting there for years. We're still waiting on songs Slash talked about working on back in what....2018 or 19?
#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nothin' » 6 days ago
Should contain the first unheard vocals for a long time
Yeah this is the only reason there's hardcore interest in this.
Just like with all their "new" releases in the reunion era, the mixing/mastering is going to make or break the quality. I really wish they could shock the shit out of us and both songs sound amazing.
