I think is clear to assume Monsters is Soul Monster for all the information above (Axl's Bridge description, Beltrami comments & for the fact on the leaked 2008 list, Soul Monster & Monstrosity appear as different songs.

Nothin' & Down by the Ocean same song?
It can be, don't know why but the rythm section of the song reminds me of Izzy's style but this is just pure speculation.
Sp1at sources can be right & Bill ones could also, as they have just proven right before

Bill Brasky wrote:

sp1at wrote:

Merck never liked me much, but I had comms with everyone at certain points in time, including Izzy. We did interviews with Brain and Dizzy alot. Song stuff was always a no go unless someone else said it or did it, and I can quote them. The trading and leaking is not my thing

I asked and appreciates your response because someone told me a week ago Nothin' was Down By The Ocean. Obviously the information can be wrong and if you trust your source which seem very reputable i withdraw my Nothin' being Down By The Ocean claim. Obviously you have a better source and i know you're a reputable poster.

A description of the song would be nice.

Ha. It was a short clip a long time ago. It really wasn't that exciting, but it didn't sound like Nothing.

sp1at wrote:

Bill Brasky wrote:

I don't doubt what you're saying i just question if the clip you heard was real or actually Down By The Ocean.

Can you describe to us what you heard ?
Roughly the year it was sent ?
Why you believe it to be real ?

Do you understand where i coming from ?

It was 18-19 years ago. It was validated officially by someone. I just followed advice back then and left it alone

This is definitely hypocritical coming from me of all people but i have to ask are you sure this person was in a position to verify (cough Merck cough) and did they verify the title ?

The timeline is definitely accurate so no question there.

What about a description.

I remember i had atlas back in the day and when people asked for a description post reunion i described it as November rain meets Scraped. People knew about the November rain description thanks to a rolling stone article but the scrapped description i think was incredibly accurate.

sp1at wrote:

Bill Brasky wrote:

Based on what ?

Have you heard Down By The Ocean ?

Odd story

When I was doing my website years ago, people thought I was a trader, which I wasn't. I heard 10-15 seconds of that song from someone who thought I had other songs, which I didn't.

I don't remember much, but I think I'd know it if I heard it

I don't doubt what you're saying i just question if the clip you heard was real or actually Down By The Ocean.

Can you describe to us what you heard ?
Roughly the year it was sent ?
Why you believe it to be real ?

Do you understand where i coming from ?

Shacklermyrye wrote:

Yeah I like Nothing too, probably the best of the post CD songs to be fair

'On a restless sea' = Down by the ocean/Down by the sea? probably not but who knows. I remember Axl saying Fink played an SRV style solo on one song, I would imagine that was Nothing.

I had this thought too. A theory could be Down By The Ocean could have been a working title based on the island-sounding guitar lick. Seems like something Izzy could come up with. The big thing that goes against it is the demo had no mention of bodies of water in the lyrics. What are the writing credits?